
Spatial Web AI Podcast
Active Inference AI & the Spatial Web
The Future of AI is shared, distributed, and multi-scale.
AI that is knowable, explainable, and capable of human governance.
Based on the same mechanics as biological intelligence, it operates in a naturally efficient way, with no big data requirement.
This is Active Inference AI & the Spatial Web.
Latest episodes

Aug 14, 2023 • 42min
Episode 6 | Special Guest – Daniel Friedman – Active Inference Institute | What is Active Inference?
NEW EPISODE: Denise Holt welcomes Daniel Friedman, Co-Founder and President of the Active Inference Institute, an open science organization supporting research and projects related to active inference. Active inference is an approach to modeling systems that involves perception, cognition, and action in an integrated way. Dr. Karl Friston’s Free Energy Principle provides the theoretical foundation for Active Inference.
In the interview, Daniel explains that Active Inference aims to model systems ranging from simple to complex in a unified framework. Key features include interpretability of models and explicit representation of action. Researchers in fields like robotics are exploring active inference for its potential benefits.
Daniel discusses upcoming educational offerings and events from the Institute, including the Applied Active Inference Symposium on "Enacting Ecosystems of Shared Intelligence." He emphasizes the importance of participatory, open ecosystems for advancing science and technology.
The interviewer points to the VERSES AI whitepaper titled, “Designing Ecosystems of Intelligence from First Principles,” tying active inference to Spatial Web technologies like the Hyper Space Modeling Language. She sees potential for AI assistants as Intelligent Agents utilizing Active Inference and Spatial Web infrastructure to enable collective intelligence and seamless human-AI collaboration. View the VERSES whitepaper here: https://arxiv.org/abs/2212.01354
Chapters:
0:00 - Introduction
1:48 - Explaining Active Inference
4:50 - Free Energy Principle
7:00 - Perception and Action
9:23 - Benefits for AI
13:30 - Spatial Web
19:53 - Markov Blankets
25:53 - Future AI Assistants
32:33 - Upcoming Symposium
39:11 - Robotics Applications
41:06 – Conclusion
Special thank you to Daniel, for being on our show!
Learn more from the Active Inference Institute here: https://www.activeinference.org/
Register for the 2023 Applied Active Inference Symposium here: https://coda.io/@active-inference-institute/3rd-applied-active-inference-symposium
Check out our other Episodes and watch all the videos in the Knowledge Bank Playlist to learn more about the Spatial Web and Active Inference AI. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLv0h9xFwpMaLumek-HwbuP-jpAfmSWW55
You can also learn more on my blog: https://deniseholt.us
#activeinferenceai #FreeEnergyPrinciple #KarlFriston #spatialweb #AIEducation

Aug 8, 2023 • 1h 14min
Episode 5 | Guest: David Shapiro - AI Researcher | Talking AI Benefits, Dangers, & AI Governance
NEW EPISODE: Host, Denise Holt, welcomes David Shapiro, an AI researcher and thought leader, as the special guest on this episode of the Spatial Web AI podcast. In this broad range conversation, Dave discusses the polarizing views on AI, acknowledging both its potential benefits and dangers. He emphasizes the need for careful deployment and solving problems that arise with new technologies. David also touches upon existential questions raised by creating super intelligent AI. He believes that while there may be a painful transition period, society has historically adapted to technological changes. The biggest challenges he sees in transitioning to AGI and ASI are organization and communication due to rapid advancements in AI. Additionally, he discusses how technology will change job markets and introduces the concept of post-labor economics where people will need to find new meaning outside of work. The conversation also explores how spatial web technologies could enhance accountability and prevention in various domains such as construction site safety or highway incidents involving unsecured cargo on trucks.
Special thank you to Dave , for being on our show!
Connect with David Shapiro on LinkedIn for consulting, speaking, training, or collaboration opportunities. https://www.linkedin.com/in/dave-shap-automator
Include a note when connecting on LinkedIn to provide context and purpose.
Consider joining Dave's Patreon for further engagement and access to his content. https://www.patreon.com/daveshap
Check out our other Episodes and watch all the videos in the Knowledge Bank Playlist to learn more about the Spatial Web and Active Inference AI.
You can also learn more on my blog: https://deniseholt.us
#activeinferenceai #AGI #ASI #artificialintelligence #spatialweb #aigovernance

Jul 26, 2023 • 22min
Revolutionary Proposal Emerges for Effective AI Governance | KB #15
A groundbreaking industry report on the future of AI governance is discussed, highlighting innovative solutions to regulatory challenges and the lack of explainability in current AI models. The need for a novel approach to AI regulation is emphasized, along with the potential consequences for companies like OpenAI. The application of active inference and the spatial web protocol in AI governance is explored, as well as the role of the Spatial Web as a networked system for AI and the importance of cognitive architecture for cooperation between humans and AI. The future of AI regulation is examined, including the Prometheus project as a global regulatory sandbox.

Jul 21, 2023 • 55min
Episode 4 | Special Guest - Brian Ponch Rivera - Founder AGLX Consulting | Spatial Web AI Podcast
NEW EPISODE: Special Guest - Brian "Ponch"
Rivera - Founder, AGLX Consulting, Creator of The Flow System, and Co-Host of
the No Way Out Podcast
What is Active Inference AI? What is the Free Energy Principle
(FEP)? And what do they have to do with agility, corporate leadership, and The
Flow System? – Find out in this episode of the Spatial Web AI Podcast by Denise
Holt.
A
former navy pilot, Brian discusses his work in the agile community. He explains
that he started a consulting firm, AGLX, to improve Scrum and Agile practices.
He also introduces his concept of the Flow System, which focuses on team
interactions and is influenced by complexity theory and distributed leadership.
Brian talks about his TED Talk in Budapest on design for flow and mentions the
loss of Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, who coined the idea of flow from psychological
flow. He describes how AGLX has expanded its focus beyond Agile and Scrum to
include topics such as safety, innovation, artificial intelligence, psychedelic
therapy, and fifth-generation warfare. Brian also discusses his podcast, No Way
Out, centered around John Boyd's work on the OODA Loop and attracting guests
from various disciplines. Denise asks Brian about the flow system's development
and its connection to complex adaptive systems thinking. They talk about how
interactions matter more than frameworks in creating agility within
organizations. Brian emphasizes understanding one's external environment to
develop effective strategies through an internal model or map. This aligns with
concepts like active inference principles discussed in recent readings related
to AI, autism research, psychedelics research, category theory, etc., which
have connections with Boyd's OODA Loop framework.
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Brian discusses
the creation of the Flow System and its purpose
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They talk about
the importance of context in understanding
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Active Inference
and Cognitive Task Analysis
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A. Brian explains the concept of active
inference
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B. He discusses cognitive task analysis and
how it helps in understanding
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Brian emphasizes
the need for individuals to develop an internal map of their external world.
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They discuss the
role of large language models and the need for active engagement.
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Brian talks about
the importance of effective debriefing and creating psychological safety.
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They discuss the
process of synthesizing and analyzing new information.
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Brian mentions
the importance of language and stories in shaping our perception of the world.
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Brian shares a
simple reading exercise to highlight the importance of context.
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They discuss the
challenge of getting the attention of leaders in organizations.
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Brian mentions
the use of active inference AI and rapid feedback in technical skills training.
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They talk about
the benefits of using large language models for learning.
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Brian mentions
the concept of cognitive warfare.
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They discuss the
importance of keeping context rich with data without interpretation.
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Brian emphasizes
the importance of finding new information that changes the way we view the
world.
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Brian emphasizes
the importance of learning about what makes us human
Special thank you to Brian,
for being on our show!
You can learn more about The Flow System, AGLX Consulting, and the No Way Out
Podcast on their website here.
Check out our other Episodes and watch all the videos in the
Knowledge Bank Playlist to learn more about the Spatial Web and Active
Inference AI.
You can also learn more on my blog: https://deniseholt.us
#activeinferenceai #spatialcomputing #artificialintelligence
#spatialweb #aigovernance

Jun 20, 2023 • 18min
VERSES AI Compared with Open AI According to ChatGPT4 | KB 14 Spatial Web AI Podcast
VERSES AI Compared with Open AI According to ChatGPT4 #futureofai #artificialintelligence by Denise Holt
VERSES AI has developed a unique
methodology that combines Active Inference AI with the Spatial Web Protocol,
trained on real-time data within a common network of Intelligent Agents based
on real-world events as they occur and unfold over time.
OpenAI administers
a multi-modal methodology of generative Machine Learning AI derived from LLMs
trained on text/image pairs.
In a mere three question conversation with
ChatGPT4, the OpenAI bot provided a solid basis for understanding
the greatest issues facing Machine Learning LLMs, the advantages of Active
Inference AI over LLMs, and the
way in which the next evolution of the internet protocol, the
Spatial Web, when combined with Active Inference AI, can function as a nervous
system for a company, city, or even larger systems.
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Special thanks to Dan Mapes, President and Co-Founder, VERSES
AI and Director of The Spatial Web Foundation. If you’d like to know more about
The Spatial Web, I highly recommend a helpful introductory book written by Dan
and his VERSES Co-Founder, Gabriel Rene, titled, “The Spatial Web,” with a
dedication “to all future generations.”
Listen to more episodes in my Knowledge Bank Playlist to
learn everything you need to know to stay ahead of this rapidly accelerating
technology.
Check out more on my blog at https://deniseholt.us
#futureofai
#artificialintelligence
#spatialweb
#activeinference
#ChatGPT4

Jun 16, 2023 • 58min
Episode 3 | Dr. Arsalan Abtahi – Executive Chair, Symphony | Spatial Web AI Podcast
Special Guest: Dr. Arsalan Abtahi – Executive Chair, Symphony
– Inclusive Sustainable Smart Cities and the Spatial Web #futureofai
#smartcities by Denise Holt
In this episode, we discuss Dr. Abtahi’s background
as a medical doctor and how it relates to his work on creating inclusive,
sustainable, smart cities through his organization Symphony. He talks about the
challenges of building such cities, including competition and silos that hinder
interoperability. Dr. Abtahi also describes the four pillars of inclusive,
sustainable smart cities: environmental sustainability, social inclusion and
community resilience, intelligent and participatory governance, and inclusive
economic development.
Dr. Abtahi explains the UN Sustainable Development Goals, which are
made up of 17 different indicators. He discusses how technology, such as AI and the
spatial web, can be used to achieve these goals by automating processes and
improving quality of life. Abtahi compares a city's lack of
functional architecture to a human's subconscious mind that automates survival.
He notes that technology can fill this gap by automating things like food
production and energy production so that people can focus on intellectual
pursuits instead of worrying about basic needs.
We discuss the lack of infrastructure that can maximize
interoperability between siloed systems and create a holistic understanding of
what's happening. He explains how the spatial web is filling this
gap by creating an extracellular matrix that connects everything together,
similar to human cells.
Dr. Abtahi emphasizes the importance of measuring data from sensors
in cities to create a comprehensive digital twin ecosystem for better
management through programmable equilibrium, reflecting how big data and AI
tools enable data driven decision making for policy making instead of relying
solely on people who are wiser or smarter. He also emphasizes the importance of
prioritizing Africa and Latin America in addressing infrastructure issues and
closing the digital divide through multidisciplinary collaborations. Finally,
he highlights the need for a collective mission towards more inclusive,
sustainable ecosystems and changing our perspective on identity as individuals
within a larger system, recognizing our commonalities and breaking down silos
between individuals rather than focusing on differences.
Special thanks to Dr. Arsalan Abtahi, for being on our show!
If you’d like to know more about Symphony and how you can get
involved, you can reach Dr. Abtahi on LinkedIn or Twitter:
linkedin.com/in/arsalan-abtahi-m-d-279a12112
https://twitter.com/earthlingsdg
Check out our other Episodes and watch all the videos in the
Knowledge Bank Playlist to learn more about how smart technologies work
together with the Spatial Web and Active Inference AI.
You can also learn more on my blog: https://deniseholt.us
#smartcities #futureofai #artificialintelligence
#spatialweb #UNSustainableDevelopmentGoals

May 16, 2023 • 17min
Maker vs. Operator, LLM vs. Active Inference AI | KB 13 Spatial Web AI Podcast
AI – The Maker vs. The Operator | LLMs vs. Active Inference AI #futureofai #artificialintelligence by Denise Holt
VERSES AI is a cognitive computing company that has
overcome the limitations of machine learning AI, by building a new kind of
artificial intelligence based on a real-time world model described as:
AI that grows in knowledge, perception and
awareness through the evolving real-time data produced by all things, at all
times, throughout our living, breathing, and ever-changing world.”
This is Active
Inference AI, an entirely new type of networked AI that is
designed for Real-Time Operations, including things like managing the daily
operations of a hospital, an airport, global supply chains, an entire smart
city, global drone and autonomous vehicle traffic, and other real-world
activities. This introduces a new era of artificial intelligence which enables
us to streamline, optimize and automate every mission-critical, real-life
function that we interact with every day.
The days of training AI on big data with probabilistic results will
give way to an interconnected “Internet of Everything” that deploys Active
Inference AI throughout the network; inherently secure and accurate because it
takes any point of real-time data and makes it smart through an empowered
ecosystem of interconnected AI Apps called Intelligent Agents. This networked
system operates in tandem with humans, growing its intelligence in sync with
humans and the world.
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Special thanks to Dan Mapes, President and Co-Founder, VERSES
AI and Director of The Spatial Web Foundation. If you’d like to know more about
The Spatial Web, I highly recommend a helpful introductory book written by Dan
and his VERSES Co-Founder, Gabriel Rene, titled, “The Spatial Web,” with a
dedication “to all future generations.”
Listen to more episodes in my Knowledge Bank Playlist to
learn everything you need to know to stay ahead of this rapidly accelerating
technology.
Check out more at, SpatialWebAI and Spatial Web Foundation
#futureofai
#artificialintelligence
#spatialweb
#intelligentagents
#aitools

Apr 6, 2023 • 16min
Spatial Web and the Era of AI - Part 3 | KB #12 - Spatial Web AI Podcast
Spatial Web and the Era of AI - Part 3 – AGI is Coming Faster
Than You Think #futureofai #artificialintelligence by Denise Holt
VERSES AI KOSMOS™ Slashes Developer Barrier to Entry for
Building AI Apps
What if there was an opportunity to easily build an
intelligent AI app, using a developer kit that would provide you with unlimited
creative opportunities and use cases for the implementation, without the
enormous cost of both time and money?
That’s exactly what VERSES AI has created.
VERSES AI is a
next-gen AI company, developing a type of artificial intelligence that eclipses
the capabilities of current machine learning/deep learning AI technology,
through an artificial intelligence method called, Active Inference AI, which
mimics the activity of biological organisms and how the human brain operates.
VERSES has created an operating system called, KOSMOS™, in which any developer can
build an intelligent “Smart App” on top of it, enabling democratized AI app
development… Think Apple App Store for artificial intelligence.
…
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Special thanks to Dan Mapes, President and Co-Founder, VERSES
AI and Director of The Spatial Web Foundation. If you’d like to know more about
The Spatial Web, I highly recommend a helpful introductory book written by Dan
and his VERSES Co-Founder, Gabriel Rene, titled, “The Spatial Web,” with a
dedication “to all future generations.”
Listen to more episodes in my Knowledge Bank Playlist to
learn everything you need to know to stay ahead of this rapidly accelerating
technology.
Check out more at, SpatialWebAI and Spatial Web Foundation
#futureofai
#artificialintelligence
#spatialweb
#intelligentagents
#aitools

Apr 4, 2023 • 24min
Spatial Web and the Era of AI - Part 2 | KB #11 - Spatial Web AI Podcast
Spatial Web and the Era of AI - Part 2 – AGI is Coming Faster
Than You Think #futureofai #artificialintelligence by Denise Holt
Karl Friston and Active Inference AI
Why is Dr. Friston the Most Important Figure in the World
of AI?
Dr. Karl Friston has been working on the concept of Active Inference
and its application to artificial intelligence for more than a decade
… Friston and his colleagues
have been exploring the use of Active Inference and the Free Energy Principle
in artificial neural networking systems, developing methods and algorithms for
Active Inference in machine learning and artificial intelligence.
… December 1, 2022, VERSES
Technologies, a cognitive computing company specializing in next-generation AI,
and creator of the Spatial Web Protocol, announced the addition of Dr. Karl
Friston, welcoming him as Chief Scientist, leading VERSES AI research and
development through Model Based AI for Active Inference.
Next generation AI systems must be based
off a world model, holding definitive beliefs regarding the state of that
world, with the ability to adapt and evolve within shared narratives.
The Spatial Web (Web 3.0) becomes this AI
world model foundational ecosystem comprised of digital twins of every space,
both real world and digital, along with every object — person, place, or thing
within it.
Model-Based AI for Active Inference within
this new Network of Everything, transforms into an artificial intelligence
organism, that within itself represents the ultimate generative model for
scaling to super intelligence. Utilizing the HSML context programming, baked
into each entity within this new internet, a new collective super intelligence
emerges actively learning and processing real time information and situational
cues to continually refine its understanding of all things in all spaces. This
ability for self-evidencing and self-organization naturally cultivates a more
and more sophisticated entity of shared intelligence between human and machine,
truly augmenting the human experience, redefining what it means to be human.,
______________________
Special thanks to Dan Mapes, President and Co-Founder, VERSES
AI and Director of The Spatial Web Foundation. If you’d like to know more about
The Spatial Web, I highly recommend a helpful introductory book written by Dan
and his VERSES Co-Founder, Gabriel Rene, titled, “The Spatial Web,” with a
dedication “to all future generations.”
Listen to more episodes in my Knowledge Bank Playlist to
learn everything you need to know to stay ahead of this rapidly accelerating
technology.
Check out more at, SpatialWebAI and Spatial Web Foundation
#futureofai
#artificialintelligence
#spatialweb
#intelligentagents
#aitools

Apr 3, 2023 • 25min
Spatial Web and the Era of AI - Part 1 | KB #10 - Spatial Web AI Podcast
Spatial Web and the Era of AI - Part 1 #futureofai #artificialintelligence by Denise Holt
Deep Learning Language Models vs. Cognitive Science
The
pioneering goal of Artificial Intelligence has been to understand how humans
think. The original idea was to merge intellectual and computer contributions
to learn about cognition.
In the
1990’s, a shift took place from a knowledge-driven AI approach to a data-driven
AI approach, replacing the original objectives with a type of Machine Learning
called Deep Learning, capable of analyzing large amounts of data, drawing
conclusions from the results.
Deep
Learning is a predictive machine model that operates off of pattern
recognition. Some people believe that if you simply feed the model more and
more data, then the AI will begin to evolve on its own, eventually reaching AGI
(Artificial General Intelligence), the ‘Holy Grail’ of AI.
This
theory, however, is viewed as being deeply flawed because these AI machines are
not capable of “awareness” or the ability to “reason.” With Machine
Learning/Deep Learning AI, there is no “thinking taking place.”
These
predictive machines are void of any actual intelligence.
Scaling
into bigger models by adding more and more parameters until these models
consume the entire internet, will only prove useful to a point.
A
larger data bank will not be able to solve for recognizing toxicity within the
data structures, nor will it enable the ability to navigate sensitive data,
permissioned information, protected identities, or intellectual property. A
larger data bank does not enable reasoning or abstract thinking.
For AI
to achieve the ultimate goal of AGI we need to be able to construct cognitive
models of the world and map ‘meaning’ onto the data. We need a large database
of abstract knowledge that can be interpreted by a machine imparting a level of
‘awareness’.
Newton
vs. Einstein
Model
Based AI for Active Inference is an Artificial Intelligence methodology that
possesses all the ingredients required to achieve the breakthrough to AGI by
surpassing all of the fundamental limitations of current Machine Learning/Deep
Learning AI.
The
difference between Machine Learning AI and Active Inference AI is as stark as
the jump from Newton’s Laws of Universal Gravitation to Einstein’s Theory of
Relativity.
In the
late 1800’s, physicists believed that we had already discovered the laws that
govern motion and gravity within our physical universe. Little did they know
how naïve Isaac Newton’s ideas were, until Albert Einstein opened mankind’s
eyes to spacetime and the totality of existence and reality.
This
is what is happening with AI right now.
It’s
simply not possible to get to AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) with a
machine learning model, but AGI is inevitable with Active Inference.
______________________
Special thanks to Dan Mapes, President and Co-Founder, VERSES
AI and Director of The Spatial Web Foundation. If you’d like to know more about
The Spatial Web, I highly recommend a helpful introductory book written by Dan
and his VERSES Co-Founder, Gabriel Rene, titled, “The Spatial Web,” with a
dedication “to all future generations.”
Listen to more episodes in my Knowledge Bank Playlist to
learn everything you need to know to stay ahead of this rapidly accelerating
technology.
Check out more at, SpatialWebAI and Spatial Web Foundation
#futureofai
#artificialintelligence
#spatialweb
#intelligentagents
#aitools
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