The Law Entrepreneur

Today, my guest is John Hinson who works with Spotlight Branding, a digital marketing agency that focuses primarily on solo and small law firms. I wanted to have John back on the podcast today to talk about some of the issues revolving around how the marketplace has changed as a result of COVID, what has happened to law firms since then, and how that influences their approach to marketing. We then revisit some ideas about marketing, funnels, and all that good stuff. Hope you enjoy!In this episode, Neil and John discuss:Marketing funnels and content loops. Where law firms fall short in their marketing process. Providing valuable education in your monthly newsletter. Actionable tips for better marketing, newsletters, and social media.  Key Takeaways:Losing contact with the people already in your network and funnel is throwing business down the drain. Maintaining relationships and contact can help with referrals and repeat business. Turn your marketing funnels into loops - don’t have a start and an ending, keep contacts circling through your content loop. Create an updraft and reenergize your contacts. While automation is great, having a personal touch can shake up the connection and give strength to that contact. People are consuming short-form content. This is where more value can be generated for your law firm and your potential clients.   "There's value in that consistent loop and just creating ongoing touchpoints that keep you in front of people and keep you top of mind." —  John HinsonGet in touch with John Hinson:Website: https://spotlightbranding.com/ The Law Firm Marketing Minute: https://spotlightbranding.com/the-law-firm-marketing-minute/ Center Stage: https://spotlightbranding.com/center-stage/ Spotlight Insider: https://spotlightbranding.com/insider/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnhinson/ Thank you to our sponsors!Ruby Receptionist - Virtual receptionist & live call services that will help you grow your office (and save money), one call at a time - to learn more, go to https://get.ruby.com/TLE or call 844.311.7829The Net Profit CFO - Ryan Kimler works with attorneys who want to enjoy higher net profits without working longer or harder. With just 9 Simple Numbers, Ryan will help you drive more profit to your bottom line-and he won't confuse you with all the details! Connect with Ryan at www.netprofitcfo.com.Get in touch with Neil:Website: https://thelawentrepreneur.com/Twitter: https://twitter.com/lawentrepreneurFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/thelawentrepreneur/?ref=hlLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyralawfirm/Join Lawyer Club FREE, where lawyers and law firm owners come to reclaim control of their firms and their lives! Plus, get the full list of Best AI Tools For Lawyers inside!Get in touch with Sam:MLA WebsiteLawyerClubPurchase Sam’s bookThe Law Entrepreneur websiteMy Legal Academy YoutubeMy Legal Academy LinkedInMy Legal Academy Facebook PageMy Legal Academy InstagramIf you’ve enjoyed the podcast, please head to Apple Podcasts and leave a rating & review for the show! It only takes a moment, and really helps me to reach new listeners. You can also head to the website at TheLawEntrepreneur.com for more information on the podcast and my legal services. Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.

This is a classic rerun of my episode with Joey Coleman. Joey Coleman is an author, keynote speaker, advisor, coach, and a former attorney. He wrote a book called “Never Lose a Customer Again” — and if you only read one book this year, it should be that. It was a Wall Street Journal best-seller and lays out a remarkably clear description of the customer experience from when they first came into contact with you to when they become a raving fan of yours. He gives you a structured approach to this process that is incredibly easy to follow, and I think implementing these principles will make a significant difference in your law practice.Get in touch with Joey ColemanWebsite: https://joeycoleman.com/ Book: https://joeycoleman.com/book/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/thejoeycoleman Thank you to our sponsors!Ruby Receptionist - Virtual receptionist & live call services that will help you grow your office (and save money), one call at a time - to learn more, go to https://get.ruby.com/TLE or call 844.311.7829The Net Profit CFO - Ryan Kimler works with attorneys who want to enjoy higher net profits without working longer or harder. With just 9 Simple Numbers, Ryan will help you drive more profit to your bottom line-and he won't confuse you with all the details! Connect with Ryan at www.netprofitcfo.com.Get in touch with Neil:Website: https://thelawentrepreneur.com/Twitter: https://twitter.com/lawentrepreneurFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/thelawentrepreneur/?ref=hlLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyralawfirm/Join Lawyer Club FREE, where lawyers and law firm owners come to reclaim control of their firms and their lives! Plus, get the full list of Best AI Tools For Lawyers inside!Get in touch with Sam:MLA WebsiteLawyerClubPurchase Sam’s bookThe Law Entrepreneur websiteMy Legal Academy YoutubeMy Legal Academy LinkedInMy Legal Academy Facebook PageMy Legal Academy InstagramIf you’ve enjoyed the podcast, please head to Apple Podcasts and leave a rating & review for the show! It only takes a moment, and really helps me to reach new listeners. You can also head to the website at TheLawEntrepreneur.com for more information on the podcast and my legal services. Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.

Today, my guest is Shelby Bothun. We don't really spend that much time talking about the substitute aspects of law, but Shelby is a lawyer in North Dakota who focuses on estate planning in the agricultural community. And owes it to her roots as an agricultural insurance agent and the fact that her family has been in the agricultural business for a couple of generations now. What I find fascinating is to learn how much I didn't know, frankly, about the agricultural business on a large scale in the Midwest. Many people have this romanticized version of what a farmer or what it means to be a farmer, but really, I should think, more along the lines of a big corporate business owner, because that's what farmers are. This is a fascinating conversation, and I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did. In this episode, Neil and Shelby discuss:Why an agricultural economics degree is so marketable in the Midwest. The importance of service in an industry with identical products. Facilitating the transfer of wisdom, not just assets. Working around the crop seasons to best serve clients.  Key Takeaways:There are generational benefits to having a proper succession plan for your agricultural estate. The farm transition is going to be emotional for both parties. Working with an estate planner can help to ease the transition and make it more successful. Get an undergraduate degree in what you are passionate about and want to focus on in law school. In a farming community, land is the most valuable resource.  "Most farmers want to leave a legacy. It is a livelihood, it is a career, it is not just a job." —  Shelby BothunGet in touch with Shelby Bothun:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shelby-g-bothun-esq-21428316a/ Website: http://www.progressiveag.com/ Thank you to our sponsors!Ruby Receptionist - Virtual receptionist & live call services that will help you grow your office (and save money), one call at a time - to learn more, go to https://get.ruby.com/TLE or call 844.311.7829The Net Profit CFO - Ryan Kimler works with attorneys who want to enjoy higher net profits without working longer or harder. With just 9 Simple Numbers, Ryan will help you drive more profit to your bottom line-and he won't confuse you with all the details! Connect with Ryan at www.netprofitcfo.com.Get in touch with Neil:Website: https://thelawentrepreneur.com/Twitter: https://twitter.com/lawentrepreneurFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/thelawentrepreneur/?ref=hlLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyralawfirm/Join Lawyer Club FREE, where lawyers and law firm owners come to reclaim control of their firms and their lives! Plus, get the full list of Best AI Tools For Lawyers inside!Get in touch with Sam:MLA WebsiteLawyerClubPurchase Sam’s bookThe Law Entrepreneur websiteMy Legal Academy YoutubeMy Legal Academy LinkedInMy Legal Academy Facebook PageMy Legal Academy InstagramIf you’ve enjoyed the podcast, please head to Apple Podcasts and leave a rating & review for the show! It only takes a moment, and really helps me to reach new listeners. You can also head to the website at TheLawEntrepreneur.com for more information on the podcast and my legal services. Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

Today, we welcome back Mark Rockwell to The Law Entrepreneur. What Mark does is help solo and small, firm practitioners. Now he's an attorney by trade, but most of his adult life in business and I think that gives him a little different insight into challenges faced by solo and small firms. Because of that, he brings a different approach to coaching those law practitioners. We have a great conversation today about time tracking, charging what you’re worth, and creating an open and honest environment with both your clients and those working in your law firm. Listen in for some great takeaways to help you run a more successful firm today. In this episode, Neil and Mark discuss:Challenges solo and small firm law firms face. Setting out expectations and scope of work with your client. Keeping on top of your accounts receivable and your time. Tracking time, managing distractions, and avoiding incorrect time reporting.  Key Takeaways:Nobody wants to gouge their clients, but if the client understands the value that is created and the work that is involved, they will be more willing to pay you for what you are worth. If you let your AR go too far, you will go from a big, well-paying client to a pro bono client very quickly. Interruptions are destructive to billable time and will be fatal financially. If you do not bill the number of hours in a day that you expected and planned for, you need to understand where that time is going and what activities are pulling you away from that time. Without knowing what those habits and problems are, there will be no change.  "At the end of the day, when lawyers aren’t billing enough, it’s a lack of confidence. I believe that in billing and capturing all your time, you have to be confident that you are creating value, the total number of hours that you're going to have billed against this project is going to be met with the acceptance of the client, and they're going to be willing to pay the bill. That is why it goes back to that upfront conversation of managing expectations and understanding the value that is being created." —  Mark RockwellGet in touch with Mark Rockwell:Website: https://coachrockwell.com/ Email: Mark@coachrockwell.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/coachrockwell Listen to Episode 277 with Mark Rockwell here: https://thelawentrepreneur.com/episodes/277-law-is-not-just-a-profession-its-a-business-with-mark-rockwell/ Thank you to our sponsors!Ruby Receptionist - Virtual receptionist & live call services that will help you grow your office (and save money), one call at a time - to learn more, go to https://get.ruby.com/TLE or call 844.311.7829The Net Profit CFO - Ryan Kimler works with attorneys who want to enjoy higher net profits without working longer or harder. With just 9 Simple Numbers, Ryan will help you drive more profit to your bottom line-and he won't confuse you with all the details! Connect with Ryan at www.netprofitcfo.com.Get in touch with Neil:Website: https://thelawentrepreneur.com/Twitter: https://twitter.com/lawentrepreneurFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/thelawentrepreneur/?ref=hlLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyralawfirm/Join Lawyer Club FREE, where lawyers and law firm owners come to reclaim control of their firms and their lives! Plus, get the full list of Best AI Tools For Lawyers inside!Get in touch with Sam:MLA WebsiteLawyerClubPurchase Sam’s bookThe Law Entrepreneur websiteMy Legal Academy YoutubeMy Legal Academy LinkedInMy Legal Academy Facebook PageMy Legal Academy InstagramIf you’ve enjoyed the podcast, please head to Apple Podcasts and leave a rating & review for the show! It only takes a moment, and really helps me to reach new listeners. You can also head to the website at TheLawEntrepreneur.com for more information on the podcast and my legal services. Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

Today, my guest is Steph Tuss. Steph is the CEO of a company called Light Is Now, a consulting company that works with small firms and businesses, including law firms, to help them grow, prosper, and to give time back to those who are leading those endeavors to live their best life. We had her business partner, David Neagle, on last year and I wanted to have Steph on because she has more of the hands-on, tactical role in their company, whereas David is the more visionary individual, and so I wanted to kind of complete the picture with her. She gives some great tips and you will get some great takeaways. In this episode, Neil and Steph discuss:Understanding why you don’t do the things you know you need to do. Utilizing an integrator in your business to focus on your areas of genius. Putting dissatisfaction into action. Working with your team not controlling and micromanaging.  Key Takeaways:There are two parts to change: awareness and applying new behaviors. If you don’t hire the right people, it will be harder for your business to succeed. Your team is only as good as your worst player. Set your team up for success from the beginning. Until you have the right things in your business, you don’t know if you are stifling your A-Players. Be willing to pay for one person who can do the jobs you need done well, rather than spending less on multiple people who will do it less well.  "You've got to start employing new behaviors because that's the only way that change actually occurs. If you just have the awareness, nothing changes, nothing happens. You have to show up differently, which means you have to act differently." —  Steph TussEpisode References: The Law Entrepreneur - Understanding the Art of Leverage with David Neagle: https://thelawentrepreneur.com/episodes/333-understanding-the-art-of-leverage-with-david-neagle/ No Rules Rules by Reed Hastings: https://www.amazon.com/No-Rules-Netflix-Culture-Reinvention/dp/B0845Z14DX/ Get in touch with Steph Tuss:Website: https://www.lifeisnowinc.com/ Successful Mind Podcast: https://www.successfulmindpodcast.com/ Instagram: https://instagram.com/stephtuss Thank you to our sponsors!Ruby Receptionist - Virtual receptionist & live call services that will help you grow your office (and save money), one call at a time - to learn more, go to https://get.ruby.com/TLE or call 844.311.7829The Net Profit CFO - Ryan Kimler works with attorneys who want to enjoy higher net profits without working longer or harder. With just 9 Simple Numbers, Ryan will help you drive more profit to your bottom line-and he won't confuse you with all the details! Connect with Ryan at www.netprofitcfo.com.Get in touch with Neil:Website: https://thelawentrepreneur.com/Twitter: https://twitter.com/lawentrepreneurFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/thelawentrepreneur/?ref=hlLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyralawfirm/Join Lawyer Club FREE, where lawyers and law firm owners come to reclaim control of their firms and their lives! Plus, get the full list of Best AI Tools For Lawyers inside!Get in touch with Sam:MLA WebsiteLawyerClubPurchase Sam’s bookThe Law Entrepreneur websiteMy Legal Academy YoutubeMy Legal Academy LinkedInMy Legal Academy Facebook PageMy Legal Academy InstagramIf you’ve enjoyed the podcast, please head to Apple Podcasts and leave a rating & review for the show! It only takes a moment, and really helps me to reach new listeners. You can also head to the website at TheLawEntrepreneur.com for more information on the podcast and my legal services. Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

My guest today is Corey Kupfer. Corey is an attorney that deals with mostly high-level business law, mergers, acquisitions, deal-making, and all that good stuff. But he’s also a highly sought-after and well-recognized content creator in the area of deal-making, has authored a book, and is the host of the very popular DealQuest Podcast. We have a broad discussion today about how he entered the practice of law, how he built his business, and about one of his passion projects - bringing diversity into the legal, entrepreneurial, and business development spaces. To Corey, diversity is more than just a buzzword, it is something that he lives fully and completely every day. I hope you enjoy it. In this episode, Neil and Corey discuss:Looking at negotiations as the start of a relationship. AI in the legal industry. Creating authority with content and authority marketing. Living authentically and the business case for diversity. Key Takeaways:There are always deals that are happening, they are just going to be different during a recession or other hard times. It takes a conscious effort and plan to expose yourself to different groups, get comfortable in circles not of your own, and to put yourself out there. You will make mistakes. Continue to learn, continue to grow, and learn to apologize when you are in the wrong. If you are writing a book, make sure you aren’t writing an article with 150 extra pages. Write your book with the intention of sharing the information you don’t want to take with you to the grave that can help better serve your audience.  "It takes more than an openness, it takes a conscious effort and plan to get yourself out there and expose yourself more to different groups, learn cultures, get comfortable, and build trust. The best way that we grow our businesses is that we build trust and more and more people who feel comfortable with us will give us business in return." —  Corey KupferGet in touch with Corey Kupfer:Website: https://www.coreykupfer.com/ Website: https://www.kupferlaw.com/ Book: https://www.coreykupfer.com/the-book DealQuest Podcast: https://www.coreykupfer.com/podcast Twitter: https://twitter.com/coreykupfer Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CoreyKupfer/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/coreykupfer/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/coreykupfer/ Thank you to our sponsors!Ruby Receptionist - Virtual receptionist & live call services that will help you grow your office (and save money), one call at a time - to learn more, go to https://get.ruby.com/TLE or call 844.311.7829The Net Profit CFO - Ryan Kimler works with attorneys who want to enjoy higher net profits without working longer or harder. With just 9 Simple Numbers, Ryan will help you drive more profit to your bottom line-and he won't confuse you with all the details! Connect with Ryan at www.netprofitcfo.com.Get in touch with Neil:Website: https://thelawentrepreneur.com/Twitter: https://twitter.com/lawentrepreneurFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/thelawentrepreneur/?ref=hlLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyralawfirm/Join Lawyer Club FREE, where lawyers and law firm owners come to reclaim control of their firms and their lives! Plus, get the full list of Best AI Tools For Lawyers inside!Get in touch with Sam:MLA WebsiteLawyerClubPurchase Sam’s bookThe Law Entrepreneur websiteMy Legal Academy YoutubeMy Legal Academy LinkedInMy Legal Academy Facebook PageMy Legal Academy InstagramIf you’ve enjoyed the podcast, please head to Apple Podcasts and leave a rating & review for the show! It only takes a moment, and really helps me to reach new listeners. You can also head to the website at TheLawEntrepreneur.com for more information on the podcast and my legal services. Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.

Today my guest is Sarah Allen. Sarah is the partner account manager for Ruby Receptionists - the same company that is a sponsor for this podcast and has been for many, many years. In terms of full disclosure, I was a client of Ruby long before I started the podcast, and so it was a natural connection there when they agreed to become a sponsor and have been from near the beginning of this podcast. But Ruby has evolved over the years. And they recently really went through a management shake-up and they've added a bunch of features that they didn't have at the time when I first started with Ruby. We've had a feel representative from Ruby back in the day when we talk just about Virtual Receptionist. Today, we talk about why Ruby is such a great company, and why the services offered are so appropriate for solo and small firm practitioners.  So without any further delay, here is my friend Sarah Allen.In this episode, Neil and Sarah discuss:What Ruby does for law firms. Capturing more client calls and standing out with your client experience. Utilizing the calls you’re receiving to track your marketing strategies. The importance of having live chat on your website to better serve your clients.  Key Takeaways:The number one thing you should do if you are looking to automate and grow your law practice is to hire a virtual receptionist. Your virtual receptionist can do more than you are likely allowing them to do. As they work with you, they will get to know you and your firm and will be able to serve your clients better.Your website is your new front door - that is where people are coming to meet you, learn about your service offerings, and learn more about what they need. It takes a lot of moving parts to run a business, which is what your law firm is. Utilizing a virtual receptionist, like Ruby, will save you time, save you effort, and free you up to do the important work that only you can do.  "Every call is more than just a conversation, it's more than just answering the phone. There's a lot more that goes into handling all those calls, and everything that goes along with them." —  Sarah AllenGet in touch with Sarah Allen:Website: https://get.ruby.com/TLE LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahcallen/ Thank you to our sponsors!Ruby Receptionist - Virtual receptionist & live call services that will help you grow your office (and save money), one call at a time - to learn more, go to https://get.ruby.com/TLE or call 844.311.7829The Net Profit CFO - Ryan Kimler works with attorneys who want to enjoy higher net profits without working longer or harder. With just 9 Simple Numbers, Ryan will help you drive more profit to your bottom line-and he won't confuse you with all the details! Connect with Ryan at www.netprofitcfo.com.Get in touch with Neil:Website: https://thelawentrepreneur.com/Twitter: https://twitter.com/lawentrepreneurFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/thelawentrepreneur/?ref=hlLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyralawfirm/Join Lawyer Club FREE, where lawyers and law firm owners come to reclaim control of their firms and their lives! Plus, get the full list of Best AI Tools For Lawyers inside!Get in touch with Sam:MLA WebsiteLawyerClubPurchase Sam’s bookThe Law Entrepreneur websiteMy Legal Academy YoutubeMy Legal Academy LinkedInMy Legal Academy Facebook PageMy Legal Academy InstagramIf you’ve enjoyed the podcast, please head to Apple Podcasts and leave a rating & review for the show! It only takes a moment, and really helps me to reach new listeners. You can also head to the website at TheLawEntrepreneur.com for more information on the podcast and my legal services. Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.

Today, my guest is Susan Harrow. Susan is a public relations (PR) expert, who has been in the business for quite some time and was affectionately known as the go-to girl for Oprah. She has a very popular website with a lot of information on it at prsecrets.com. I wanted to have Susan on to talk about just how to think about a law firm, in terms of public relations, with the very media outlets that are in existence today, including social media, and how to align your message with what the media is looking for, and how you can use that to leverage your connections and your message to getting new clients and building your business.In this episode, Neil and Susan discuss:Standing out above the noise. Creating a messaging strategy before you contact the media. How media training is like prepping a witness or a client for trial. Creating the foundation for what your message is, then honing it for the audience you are targeting. The pros and cons of PR on social media.  Key Takeaways:Every form of PR, social media, print, podcast, television, etc., is different and requires a different set of skills that need to be practiced. Repetition is the mold, perfection is the goal, but there is always something to be improved upon with each iteration and practice. Natural speaking as you explain what you do is often where you realize what your core message is. Think about the topics or causes that you can speak or write on that are relevant culturally, even if it doesn’t directly draw on your practice area.  "PR builds your reputation, your thought leadership, your brand, and your visibility, sometimes instantly and sometimes over time, but I'm really focused on not your 15-seconds of fame, but leaving a legacy and giving something meaningful to the world." —  Susan HarrowGet in touch with Susan Harrow:Website: https://prsecrets.com/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/soundbitesiren Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SusanHarrow LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/susanharrow/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/susanharrow/ Create Your Signature Story: https://prsecrets.com/sigpod Thank you to our sponsors!Ruby Receptionist - Virtual receptionist & live call services that will help you grow your office (and save money), one call at a time - to learn more, go to https://get.ruby.com/TLE or call 844.311.7829The Net Profit CFO - Ryan Kimler works with attorneys who want to enjoy higher net profits without working longer or harder. With just 9 Simple Numbers, Ryan will help you drive more profit to your bottom line-and he won't confuse you with all the details! Connect with Ryan at www.netprofitcfo.com.Get in touch with Neil:Website: https://thelawentrepreneur.com/Twitter: https://twitter.com/lawentrepreneurFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/thelawentrepreneur/?ref=hlLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyralawfirm/Join Lawyer Club FREE, where lawyers and law firm owners come to reclaim control of their firms and their lives! Plus, get the full list of Best AI Tools For Lawyers inside!Get in touch with Sam:MLA WebsiteLawyerClubPurchase Sam’s bookThe Law Entrepreneur websiteMy Legal Academy YoutubeMy Legal Academy LinkedInMy Legal Academy Facebook PageMy Legal Academy InstagramIf you’ve enjoyed the podcast, please head to Apple Podcasts and leave a rating & review for the show! It only takes a moment, and really helps me to reach new listeners. You can also head to the website at TheLawEntrepreneur.com for more information on the podcast and my legal services. Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

Today, my guest is Elizabeth Franklin-Best. Elizabeth is an attorney in Columbia, South Carolina, who focuses pretty much exclusively on appellate work. In this episode, you're going to hear how ignorant I am part of appellate work, and Elizabeth is going to help educate me first, and, hopefully, you as well as to what this involves and how an appellate practice focuses primarily on federal appeals, as well as some state appeals there in South Carolina where she lives. We also talk about how that differs from a solo or small firm practice in other areas of law, the marketing paradigm, and the approach to business development for something like an appellate practice. In this episode, Neil and Elizabeth discuss:Creating the law firm you want to work at. What the appeal process can look like for those convicted of crimes. Marketing in different areas of law.Closing the education gap for clients. Utilizing the full functionality of your law firm software.  Key Takeaways:There are a number of things that people can do on the backend of conviction that people can do to try and get their convictions reversed. This is a side of the law that a lot of people, including lawyers, just don’t know as well. You have the right to appeal, but you do not have the right to win the appeal nor do you have the right to appeal forever.You have to market to your clients where they are. If they are incarcerated that is different than if they are still free. There is a flexibility to working remotely that working solely in an office doesn’t allow. Appellate law lends itself well to remote work as much of it is research and writing.  "We believe in radical transparency when it comes to legal fees. In my experience, that has been a real source of frustration for clients and their families in other environments." —  Elizabeth Franklin-BestGet in touch with Elizabeth Franklin-Best:Website: https://elizabethfranklinbest.com/ Phone: 803-445-1333Twitter: https://twitter.com/eafb71 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ElizabethFranklinBestPC LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/elizabeth-franklin-best-p-c/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabeth-franklin-best-5b6b2788/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/elizabethfranklinbest/ Thank you to our sponsors!Ruby Receptionist - Virtual receptionist & live call services that will help you grow your office (and save money), one call at a time - to learn more, go to https://get.ruby.com/TLE or call 844.311.7829The Net Profit CFO - Ryan Kimler works with attorneys who want to enjoy higher net profits without working longer or harder. With just 9 Simple Numbers, Ryan will help you drive more profit to your bottom line-and he won't confuse you with all the details! Connect with Ryan at www.netprofitcfo.com.Get in touch with Neil:Website: https://thelawentrepreneur.com/Twitter: https://twitter.com/lawentrepreneurFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/thelawentrepreneur/?ref=hlLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyralawfirm/Join Lawyer Club FREE, where lawyers and law firm owners come to reclaim control of their firms and their lives! Plus, get the full list of Best AI Tools For Lawyers inside!Get in touch with Sam:MLA WebsiteLawyerClubPurchase Sam’s bookThe Law Entrepreneur websiteMy Legal Academy YoutubeMy Legal Academy LinkedInMy Legal Academy Facebook PageMy Legal Academy InstagramIf you’ve enjoyed the podcast, please head to Apple Podcasts and leave a rating & review for the show! It only takes a moment, and really helps me to reach new listeners. You can also head to the website at TheLawEntrepreneur.com for more information on the podcast and my legal services. Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

Today, my guest is Richard Sullivan. Richard heads up a very successful family law practice in Orange County, California, and he's been doing so now for the better part of 40 years. He has a tremendous perspective on how things in the legal space have changed over the course of time. He also comes from a very small town in Missouri. So you can imagine how his experience in small-town America, and then getting transplanted to Southern California, how that might also influence and impact his practice of law. It’s a great conversation, full of great stories and takeaways. Hope you enjoy!In this episode, Neil and Richard discuss:Guarding your reputation as a lawyer. Treating others with respect in all aspects of your case. Richard’s unique career path in criminal and family law. Finding, hiring, and retaining quality staff. Staying up to date with technology.  Key Takeaways:In criminal law, you often have bad guys at their best. In family law, you often have good guys at their worst. As a lawyer, it is your job to tell your clients the truth about their case. Be honest, give them realistic expectations, and treat them with dignity and respect. When you divorce, you divorce to each other, not from each other, when kids are involved. When word gets out that you’re a respected attorney and treat your staff with respect, staff will come to you looking for employment.  "We try to be absolutely honest with our clients and give them realistic expectations. If you set that right away, you're really ahead of the game getting to the conclusion of the case." —  Richard SullivanGet in touch with Richard Sullivan:Website: https://www.sullivan-law.com/ Email: rsullivan@sullivan-law.com Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sullivanlawandassociates/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-sullivan-0a65a84b/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/sullivan-law-associates/ Thank you to our sponsors!Ruby Receptionist - Virtual receptionist & live call services that will help you grow your office (and save money), one call at a time - to learn more, go to https://get.ruby.com/TLE or call 844.311.7829The Net Profit CFO - Ryan Kimler works with attorneys who want to enjoy higher net profits without working longer or harder. With just 9 Simple Numbers, Ryan will help you drive more profit to your bottom line-and he won't confuse you with all the details! Connect with Ryan at www.netprofitcfo.com.Get in touch with Neil:Website: https://thelawentrepreneur.com/Twitter: https://twitter.com/lawentrepreneurFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/thelawentrepreneur/?ref=hlLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyralawfirm/Join Lawyer Club FREE, where lawyers and law firm owners come to reclaim control of their firms and their lives! Plus, get the full list of Best AI Tools For Lawyers inside!Get in touch with Sam:MLA WebsiteLawyerClubPurchase Sam’s bookThe Law Entrepreneur websiteMy Legal Academy YoutubeMy Legal Academy LinkedInMy Legal Academy Facebook PageMy Legal Academy InstagramIf you’ve enjoyed the podcast, please head to Apple Podcasts and leave a rating & review for the show! It only takes a moment, and really helps me to reach new listeners. You can also head to the website at TheLawEntrepreneur.com for more information on the podcast and my legal services. Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.