

Journey to an ESOP & Beyond
Phillip Hayes and Jason Miller
ESOPs are gaining traction. In the "Journey to an ESOP & Beyond” podcast, Phillip Hayes and Jason Miller explain the process of the ESOP transaction and address ESOPs from a business owner's perspective. They illuminate the simplicity of ESOPs and debunk common misconceptions that ESOPs are immensely costly and complicated.
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Jul 1, 2024 • 45min
EP18 - Dealing with Mature ESOPs, Repurchase Liability, Changes in Economy, and Re-leveraging - Discussion with Renee Jenkins with Holiday Builders
Renee Jenkins, a seasoned finance and HR manager at Holiday Builders, shares invaluable insights into managing mature Employee Stock Ownership Plans (ESOPs). She tackles complex issues such as repurchase liability and the challenges posed by a changing economy. Renee discusses the importance of strategic planning for stock buybacks and generational differences in the workforce as employees near retirement. The conversation highlights the need for education on ESOP benefits and the value of collaboration between experienced and younger employees.

Jun 18, 2024 • 33min
EP17 - Quigley Down Under - Taking the Long Shot - Preparing for a Successful ESOP
We find that once an ESOP closes, there is some degree of uncertainty on the next steps. In this episode, we focus on the ESOP closing guide to prepare clients on the correct ways to implement the organizational structure and timeline of a successful ESOP. In other words, we cover how to accomplish a company’s goals in the transition of an ESOP that take specific knowledge of timing and communication.

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Jun 5, 2024 • 47min
EP16 - ESOPs and Private Equity - Discussion with Jason Miller
Former National Director of ESOPs for Bank of America, Jason Miller, discusses the 'Expanding ESOP Initiative' on the podcast. Topics include comparing private equity and ESOPs as exit strategies, challenges in implementing ESOPs in the US, using ESOPs for capital-raising, and promoting employee ownership through ESOPs.

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May 22, 2024 • 37min
EP15 - Bridge Over Troubled Water - The Historical Cash Flow and Forecasted Cash Flow Connecting To Your Valuation for an ESOP
Delving into the valuation process for ESOPs, the podcast discusses the implications of historical vs. forecasted cash flows on shareholder decisions. Highlighting the 'bridge over troubled water' concept, it emphasizes the importance of accurate valuations to ensure fair market value. The chapter descriptions explore the intricacies of business valuation, deal structures, and the critical role of cash flow analysis in ESOP transitions.

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May 8, 2024 • 46min
EP14 - ESOP Communication - Interview with Diana Clark
Expert Diana Clark discusses the importance of ESOP communication, presenting strategies for engaging employees. The podcast also delves into challenges of ESOP implementation, enhancing company culture through effective planning, and revitalizing ESOP initiatives in mature companies.

Apr 23, 2024 • 31min
EP13 - Randy Macho Man Savage - Bring Down or Take Down Call For An ESOP Transaction
Randy Macho Man Savage was a childhood hero who my brothers and I constantly impersonated while watching WWF wrestling. For a time, I didn’t realize it was choreographed fighting and not a real fight. This podcast episode uses this picture of WWF Wrestling to discuss what is called the “bring down” call for an ESOP transaction. This is a call conducted by the independent valuation firm representing the trustee around the final closing call. It is intended to ask about any changes in the business since they did due diligence and after negotiations. The importance of this this episode is to understand how to navigate changes in your ESOP transaction right up to the point of closing.

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Apr 12, 2024 • 50min
EP12 - ESOP Experience with Nancy Pratt at Frederick Derr & Company - a 100 percent Employee-Owned Company
Nancy Pratt, CFO of Frederick Derr & Company, shares insights on their journey to a 100% ESOP transaction. Topics include succession planning, navigating the transition to an ESOP, financial planning, real estate in ESOP closings, post-transition accounting tasks, and the role of expert consultants.

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Apr 2, 2024 • 37min
EP11 - Titanic - Avoiding The Icebergs On Your ESOP
Exploring the risks in ESOP deals, balancing debt burden, and deal structure for company stability, avoiding overvaluation pitfalls in ESOP transitions, and navigating financial challenges for ESOP sustainability.

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Mar 23, 2024 • 41min
EP10 - ESOP Trustee Interview - Bill Kropkof
Guest Bill Kropkof, an ESOP trustee with a Dept. of Labor background, discusses trustee roles, ERISA regulations, trustee independence, valuation firms, negotiation transparency, challenges with sell-side advisors, and the benefits of ESOPs like legacy building and employee retention.

Mar 15, 2024 • 34min
EP9 - Tin Cup - ESOPs - The Road Less Travelled
Topics in this podcast include exploring unconventional paths in ESOP strategies, challenges of revenue models and valuation in ESOP transactions, strategic thinking for long-term success, and enhancing customer profitability and business growth