
This vs. That
A podcast where we have conversations that explore what we think and why we think it.
Latest episodes

May 10, 2023 • 42min
Self-Awareness vs. Navel-Gazing - Ronnie Martin
On this episode of This vs. That, we chat with Ronnie Martin, about the difference between self-awareness and navel gazing. Ronnie shares his personal experience with introspection and how he combats its tendency to become all-consuming. From intentional curiosity in other people's lives to prayer and discernment, we discuss practical tips for cultivating godly self-awareness. We also discuss the importance of humility, the role of spiritual disciplines, and taking the first step towards self-awareness. Join us for a thoughtful conversation on this important topic.
Ronnie Martin is the lead pastor of Substance Church in Ashland, Ohio. He is also the author of the Advent Devotional the The God Who Is with Us: 25-Day Devotional for Advent and a co-host of The Happy Rant podcast.
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This episode of This vs. That is sponsored by:
Evangelical Council for Abuse Prevention - “Psalm 127:3 says, “Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord…” Yet, today one in every three girls and one in every seven boys are sexually abused before they’re 18. That’s why Evangelical Council for Abuse Prevention was formed.
By implementing ECAP’s child safety standards, Christian ministries create safe places for children and youth to hear the gospel and grow in discipleship, unhindered by abuse.
Ministry leaders! Check out ECAP’s free child protection assessments at www.ecap.net.
Parents! Contact ECAP through their website at www.ecap.net to get a free video resource by Julie Lowe, author of Safeguards.”
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This vs. That is a podcast of Anchored Hope. Anchored Hope provides practical help to those hurting by anchoring their hope in Jesus and helping others gain a better understanding of his promises. We offer reputable, biblical counsel to those suffering or experiencing difficult seasons. Our counselors are highly trained and bring a vast experience in addressing the various issues of life.
To meet with a counselor, visit anchoredhope.co and schedule an appointment today.

May 3, 2023 • 51min
Caring For the Body vs. Idolizing the Body - Lainey Greer
In this episode of This vs. That, Dr. Lainey Greer joins the conversation to discuss the balance between caring for our bodies and idolizing them. We talk about the misunderstanding of the body in Christian circles and the importance of a biblical understanding of the body. We also discuss how caring for our bodies plays a role in our emotional and spiritual health. Dr. Greer shares her personal experience with an eating disorder and how it affected her mind and body. We also touch on the significance of the Trinitarian view of the body and how it impacts our Christian life. Finally, we discuss how to distinguish between caring for our bodies appropriately and idolizing them, and how to discern when our thoughts and actions have shifted to an unhealthy level.
Dr. Lainey Greer is an author, speaker, and personal trainer with over 10 years experience working in the local church. She holds a PhD in Theology from the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and is passionate about teaching how the scripture addresses the human body.
https://laineygreer.com/
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Resources mentioned:
Embodied: Living as Whole People in a Fractured World - Gregg Allison
Be Well: Learning How to Steward Your Health - Lainey Greer
Fitness Blender
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This episode of This vs. That is sponsored by:
Evangelical Council for Abuse Prevention - “Psalm 127:3 says, “Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord…” Yet, today one in every three girls and one in every seven boys are sexually abused before they’re 18. That’s why Evangelical Council for Abuse Prevention was formed.
By implementing ECAP’s child safety standards, Christian ministries create safe places for children and youth to hear the gospel and grow in discipleship, unhindered by abuse.
Ministry leaders! Check out ECAP’s free child protection assessments at www.ecap.net.
Parents! Contact ECAP through their website at www.ecap.net to get a free video resource by Julie Lowe, author of Safeguards.”
Women & Work - Are you a woman who wants to honor God with your life but aren’t sure how your work makes an eternal difference in the kingdom of God?
Women & Work is a faith and work organization that is for every woman in every season. They produce a podcast and countless resources to inspire women to confidently step into their God-given calling and leverage their unique potential for God’s glory.
They also have a new book releasing, Women & Work: Bearing God's Image and Joining in His Mission through our Work and you can preorder your copy today!
Go to womenwork.net to learn more.
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This vs. That is a podcast of Anchored Hope. Anchored Hope provides practical help to those hurting by anchoring their hope in Jesus and helping others gain a better understanding of his promises. We offer reputable, biblical counsel to those suffering or experiencing difficult seasons. Our counselors are highly trained and bring a vast experience in addressing the various issues of life.
To meet with a counselor, visit anchoredhope.co and schedule an appointment today.

Apr 26, 2023 • 53min
Counseling vs. Discipleship - Ed Welch
In this episode of This vs. That, we talk with Dr. Ed Welch about the relationship between discipleship and counseling. We explore the similarities and differences between the two, and emphasize the importance of understanding when to seek counseling versus when to seek discipleship. We also discuss the generational differences in mental health language and how to help individuals reform their thinking about counseling.
Welch stresses the importance of having a wise and loving friend, and suggests that pastors continue to meet with individuals and invite them to speak openly about their struggles. Overall, this episode highlights the need for a culture where it is natural to speak about our needs and to reach out for help, and where pastors communicate that neediness is normal and that we always need Jesus.
We hope you enjoy the conversation.
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Books mentioned:
When People Are Big and God Is Small: Overcoming Peer Pressure, Codependency, and the Fear of Man - Ed Welch
Side by Side: Walking with Others in Wisdom and Love - Ed Welch
Caring for One Another: 8 Ways to Cultivate Meaningful Relationships - Ed Welch
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This episode of This vs. That is sponsored by:
P&R Publishing – Edward Welch’s groundbreaking book When People Are Big and God Is Small has sold more than a quarter million copies since it was first released and has helped countless people in their struggles with codependency, peer pressure, and fear of man. This spring, P&R Publishing is pleased to announce the release of a comprehensively revised new edition. Learn how to need people less and love people more in this important update to a classic work of biblical counseling. Available wherever books are sold.
The Missions Course – We believe God has an important role for you – and The Church – to play in The Great Commission. Don’t know what The Great Commission is? That’s alright! The Missions Course is a 6-week, online study that reveals God’s heart for the nations and invites you to play your part in it. We’ve designed this course to tuck nicely in-between classes, while you’re making dinner, or on your daily commute. Missions isn’t just for them, it’s for you too! Use the code ANCHOREDHOPE to take $10 off your registration. Visit TheMissionsCourse.com to learn more and register today.

Apr 19, 2023 • 51min
Manipulation vs. Influence - Brad Hambrick
In this engaging discussion, Brad Hambrick, Pastor of Counseling at the Summit Church and assistant professor at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary, sheds light on manipulation versus influence. He emphasizes the importance of self-awareness in recognizing personal tendencies toward control. Brad explores the ethical responsibilities of ministry leaders and the fine line they must navigate to foster healthy influence. The conversation also touches on the complexities of toxic friendships and the critical role of forgiveness in interpersonal relationships.

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Apr 12, 2023 • 53min
Diligence vs. Workaholism - Courtney Moore
Courtney Moore, founder of Women & Work, discusses the glorification of ministry, God's view of work, and balancing work and life. She emphasizes viewing work as worship and offers tips for recognizing workaholism. The episode explores challenging gendered work norms, work as worship, self-worth in work, female leadership, ambition, and balancing work and faith for spiritual empowerment.

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Apr 5, 2023 • 49min
Worry vs. Anxiety - Deepak Reju
In this episode of This vs. That we talk with our friend Deepak Reju about the topic of Anxiety vs. Fear. We discuss the spectrum of anxiety, from low-grade anxiety to panic attacks, and the words associated with anxiety, such as worry, stress, and concern. We also try to highlight distinctions between fear from anxiety and explain the biblical fear of the Lord. The conversation also touches on what Jesus experienced in the garden of Gethsemane.
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Deepak Reju is the pastor of Biblical Counseling and Family Ministry at Capitol Hill Baptist Church in Washington, DC. He and his wife Sarah, have five kids and he's the author of several books, including:
On Guard: Preventing and Responding to Child Abuse in the Church
Pornography Fighting for Purity
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This episode of This vs. That is sponsored by:
P&R Publishing - Edward Welch’s groundbreaking book When People Are Big and God Is Small has sold more than a quarter million copies since it was first released and has helped countless people in their struggles with codependency, peer pressure, and fear of man. This spring, P&R Publishing is pleased to announce the release of a comprehensively revised new edition. Learn how to need people less and love people more in this important update to a classic work of biblical counseling. Available wherever books are sold.
The Missions Course - We believe God has an important role for you – and The Church – to play in The Great Commission. Don’t know what The Great Commission is? That’s alright! The Missions Course is a 6-week, online study that reveals God’s heart for the nations and invites you to play your part in it. We’ve designed this course to tuck nicely in-between classes, while you’re making dinner, or on your daily commute. Missions isn’t just for them, it’s for you too! Use the code ANCHOREDHOPE to take $10 off your registration. Visit TheMissionsCourse.com to learn more and register today.
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This vs. That is a podcast of Anchored Hope. Anchored Hope provides practical help to those hurting by anchoring their hope in Jesus and helping others gain a better understanding of his promises. We offer reputable, biblical counsel to those suffering or experiencing difficult seasons. Our counselors are highly trained and bring a vast experience in addressing the various issues of life.
To meet with a counselor, visit anchoredhope.co and schedule an appointment today.

Mar 13, 2023 • 4min
Introducing Our NEW Podcast
In this episode we introduce This vs. That, a podcast where we look at what we think and why we think it.
Our first episode launches April, 5th. So be sure to subscribe and get every episode delivered directly to you.
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This vs. That is a podcast of Anchored Hope virtual counseling.