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Bloomberg
Bloomberg's Joe Weisenthal and Tracy Alloway explore the most interesting topics in finance, markets and economics. Join the conversation every Monday and Thursday.
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Dec 7, 2025 • 18min
How Microsoft Excel Conquered Corporate America
Max Chafkin, a Businessweek writer with a knack for corporate tech culture, and Dina Bass, a Bloomberg reporter specializing in Microsoft and AI, dive into the fascinating world of Excel. They discuss its rise from VisiCalc to a corporate staple and its role in everyday office life. The duo explores Excel's competitive edge against rivals like Google Sheets and the promise of AI tools, highlighting its unique ability to fulfill essential human needs in business. Excel’s reign may face challenges, but its legacy is firmly entrenched in corporate America.

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Dec 5, 2025 • 53min
Affirm's Max Levchin Breaks Down How Buy Now, Pay Later Really Works
Max Levchin, co-founder and CEO of Affirm, dives into the world of Buy Now, Pay Later (BNPL) solutions. He shares the motivation behind starting Affirm, focusing on transparency and zero fees. Levchin explains how Affirm uses innovative underwriting techniques that go beyond traditional credit scores. He also discusses how Affirm differentiates itself with higher approval rates and loyalty. With insights on AI and the future of payments, he offers a clear vision of an ideal financial system that's more aligned with consumer needs.

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Dec 4, 2025 • 44min
AI Can Tell Us Something About Credit Market Weakness
Dan Wertman, co-founder and CEO of Noetica, shares insights on current credit market weaknesses using AI to analyze deal documents. He discusses emerging trends in credit agreements, warning of potential blowups amid tightening lender protections. Wertman explains the importance of EBITDA addbacks and how creditors are preparing for distress, revealing the complexities of recent high-leverage financing deals. The conversation also highlights risks associated with rapid dealmaking versus due diligence, particularly in the evolving AI landscape.

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Dec 1, 2025 • 57min
Travis Kavulla Explains Why Electric Bills Shot Up
Travis Kavulla, vice president of regulatory affairs at NRG and a former commissioner in Montana, dives into the complexities of the rising electricity costs. He explains how the pandemic has reshaped demand, particularly from data centers, and discusses the challenges the grid faces with increased loads. Travis also distinguishes between commodity and grid charges, shares insights on the patchwork of U.S. regulations, and highlights potential solutions like demand-side flexibility. He emphasizes the necessity for innovative regulatory approaches to prepare for future demands.

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Nov 28, 2025 • 45min
This Is Why Credit Card Interest Rates Are So High
In this conversation with Itamar Drexler, a finance professor at the Wharton School, listeners dive into the surprising world of high credit card interest rates. Drexler explains how banks profit through swipe fees and marketing costs, revealing the stark differences between transactors and revolvers. He debunks the myth that default rates justify these high APRs and discusses the impact of rewards on consumer behavior. The discussion also touches upon the challenges faced by fintech and the implications of macroeconomic factors on credit card pricing.

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Nov 27, 2025 • 49min
Graham Allison on the Risks of a US-China War
Graham Allison, a Harvard Government Professor and expert on U.S.-China relations, discusses the 'Thucydides Trap,' a framework illustrating the risks of conflict between established and rising powers. He highlights historical parallels to the Peloponnesian War and World War I, explaining why great-power war has been avoided until now. Allison contrasts China's ambitions with the Soviet Union and examines how economic entanglement impacts stability. He identifies Taiwan and risky third-party incidents as potential flashpoints for conflict.

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Nov 24, 2025 • 58min
Ray Dalio on the Five Forces That Make This a Historical Moment
Ray Dalio, founder of Bridgewater Associates and a seasoned macro investor, discusses the monumental changes currently reshaping the world. He outlines five forces driving historical dynamics, including wealth inequality, the AI boom, and national debt. Dalio shares insights on how technology compares to past transformations and the importance of meditation in maintaining equanimity through market fluctuations. He critiques traditional hedge fund models and emphasizes the need for cohesive leadership in navigating these complex changes.

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Nov 23, 2025 • 4min
Risky Business Preview
Discover the art of decision-making through the lens of poker and data. The hosts blend psychology and statistics to tackle uncertainty in politics and everyday life. They discuss how poker strategies apply to risk assessment and explore themes like trust in reality TV. From AI hype to election forecasting, every choice is framed as a bet. Tune in for insights that will change how you view your own decisions!

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Nov 22, 2025 • 43min
Why America's Cattle Ranchers Keep Getting Squeezed
In this discussion, Bill Bullard, CEO of R-CALF USA, dives into the challenges facing American cattle ranchers. He highlights the shrinking cattle herd due to drought and high feed costs, along with the adverse effects of consolidation in the meatpacking industry. Bill addresses how rising beef prices are tied to market distortions by large packers, and the difficulties young ranchers face in a boom-bust cycle. He warns that without protective policies, the future of independent ranching could be in jeopardy.

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Nov 21, 2025 • 48min
What Susan Collins Wants to See Before Supporting Another Rate Cut
Susan Collins, President of the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston, dives into the complexities of monetary policy as she navigates inflation concerns outweighed by labor market issues. She discusses the delicate balance between inflation and employment, the Fed's responsive strategies to new job data, and the impact of tariffs on economic conditions. Collins also shares insights on the evolving role of AI in the workforce, its potential benefits for productivity, and how these factors intertwine with Fed policy decisions, all against the backdrop of a critical economic research conference.


