
The Non-Anxious Leader Podcast
The Non-Anxious Leader Podcast uses a family systems theory approach to increase your spiritual, emotional and physical well-being so you can be the best leader possible. Each episode explores research and practical tips to help you be a personal and professional non-anxious presence.
Latest episodes

Jun 9, 2025 • 14min
Episode 334: Why a Quick Fix Is No Answer (Rebroadcast)
Anxious people want a quick fix. Non-anxious leaders know this is not the answer. Here's why, as well as how you can respond to challenge in a way that will make a difference.Show Notes:How to avoid the most seductive leadership mistake by Ed O'Malley and Julia Fabris McBrideBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

Jun 2, 2025 • 13min
Episode 333: What in the World Is Going on Right Now? - Part 2 of 2
This episode explores Murray Bowen's prediction for when we will emerge from the current societal regression, as well as what that will look like.Bonus: a few examples of a self-differentiated leader right now.Show Notes:A Perspective on a World on Fire: Societal Regression by Michael KerrSocietal Emotional Process — The Bowen Center for the Study of the FamilySocietal Anxiety/Regression - The Murray Bowen Archives ProjectBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

May 26, 2025 • 10min
Episode 332: What in the World Is Going on Right Now? - Part 1 of 2
Murray Bowen's concept of societal regression helps to understand the conflict and division we face in society today. This episode explains what that is and my takeaways on this.Show Notes:Reflections on Societal Regression by Stephanie FerreraA Perspective on a World on Fire: Societal Regression by Michael KerrBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

May 19, 2025 • 12min
Episode 331: The Mel Robbins' "Let Them Theory" IS Self-Differentiation - Part 3 of 3
This episode covers how Mel Robbins' deals with overfunctioning and the similarities to family systems theory.Show Notes:The Let Them Theory: A Life-Changing Tool That Millions of People Can't Stop Talking About by Mel Robbins“The Let Them Theory” Book Summary, Chapter-by-Chapter by Vanessa Van EdwardsBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

May 12, 2025 • 12min
Episode 330: The Mel Robbins' "Let Them Theory" IS Self-Differentiation - Part 2 of 3
This episode covers how Mel Robbins' "Let Them Theory" applies to leadership through self-differentiation. Show Notes:The Let Them Theory: A Life-Changing Tool That Millions of People Can't Stop Talking About by Mel Robbins“The Let Them Theory” Book Summary, Chapter-by-Chapter by Vanessa Van EdwardsBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

May 5, 2025 • 10min
Episode 329: The Mel Robbins "Let Them Theory" IS Self-Differentiation - Part 1 of 3
Mel Robbins doesn't say it, but her Let Them Theory resonates with family systems theory. Here's how.Show Notes:The Let Them Theory: A Life-Changing Tool That Millions of People Can't Stop Talking About by Mel Robbins“The Let Them Theory” Book Summary, Chapter-by-Chapter by Vanessa Van EdwardsBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

Apr 28, 2025 • 14min
Episode 328: 5 Things That Help You to Be a Non-Anxious Presence (Rebroadcast)
Being a non-anxious presence doesn’t come naturally. Here’s what you can do to better prepare for difficult situations. Show Notes:People With High Emotional Intelligence Use 5 Simple Words to Become Exceptionally Persuasive by Bill Murphy Jr.

Apr 21, 2025 • 16min
Episode 327: My Take on Joe Rigney's War on Empathy
Joe Rigney's War on Empathy was inspired, in part, by Edwin Friedman. Here's where I agree and disagree with him.Show Notes:The Sin of Empathy — A Conversation with Joe Rigney - AlbertMohler.comThe Anatomy of a Steer by Joseph RigneyBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

Apr 14, 2025 • 10min
Episode 326: Control vs. Curiosity - A Family Systems Take on Martha Beck's Book, Beyond Anxiety
Explore the battle between control and curiosity in dealing with anxiety. Discover how Martha Beck’s and Edwin Friedman’s ideas intertwine to reveal the anxiety spiral and its effects on creativity. Learn how understanding the amygdala's role can transform leadership and encourage a more curious approach. Dive into strategies for self-regulation that unleash creativity even in anxious environments, fostering a greater sense of well-being and purpose.

Apr 7, 2025 • 11min
Episode 325: Non-Anxious Leaders Understand They Are Not in Control (Rebroadcast)
A paradox in leadership is that we think we can control more than we actually can. This leads to micromanaging, which is more damaging than helpful. This episode shows how leadership through self-differentiation is different and more effective.Show Notes:How to Solve the Leadership Paradox | Inc.com by David FinkelBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.