
The Trail Network Podcast
The Trail Network Podcast brings the untold stories of magical moments amongst trail runners to life. These stories of runners on and off the trail capture the spirit of trailrunning and the power of friendship and connection.
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Jun 20, 2024 • 1h 19min
Episode 15: Clare Gallagher and Brittany Peterson Relive Their Epic Head-to-Head Battle at Western States 100
This episode is made possible by Arc’teryx.
Today, you're about to listen to two legends in ultra running, Clare Gallagher and Brittany Peterson, who give a play-by-play recount of their historic 2019 Western States battle for first and second, a race that many people, myself included, believe changed ultra running forever.
Today's episode is hosted by Katie Asmuth!
Arc’teryx took their obsessive design approach and applied it to the most important point of contact with the mountains: your feet. Because when you’re out there, every step matters. Introducing the Sylan Shoe, which features a propulsive rocker, grippy Vibram outsole, and a cushy midsole to help you cover those mountain miles.
What we talked about:
2:15- Reflections on that race
4:55- Brittany’s mindset heading into the race
7:05- Clare’s mindset heading into the race
13:15- Breaking down the first half of the race
19:15- Leading up to their big race to the finish
32:55- Brittany’s mindset during the chase of Clare
42:45- Brittany making the pass
53:00- The final push where Clare secured the win
1:06:25- Favorite memories and reflections from the race
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The Trail Network Podcast is edited and produced by Sandyboy Productions Podcast Network

Jun 13, 2024 • 51min
Episode 14: Corrine Malcolm and Hilary Yang chat about Corrine's journey intro trail running, ultra running media, and new projects
This episode is made possible by Arc’teryx.
In today's episode, Hilary sits down with Corrine Malcolm. You all know her and love her as one of the primary broadcast voices in ultra running media today. She's also the host of the Trail Society podcast, the Editor in Chief of Free Trail, a professional runner for Adidas Terrex, and in her spare time, she's also a coach and a real-life scientist.
In this episode, we talk about how Corrine first got into trail running, what led her to dive into the world of ultra running media, and all of the ways that we are both passionate about elevating women's voices in our sport through media and storytelling.
Arc’teryx took their obsessive design approach and applied it to the most important point of contact with the mountains: your feet. Because when you’re out there, every step matters. Introducing the Sylan Shoe, which features a propulsive rocker, grippy Vibram outsole, and a cushy midsole to help you cover those mountain miles.
What we talked about:
2:15- Catching up with Corinne
8:30- Hilary and Corinne’s friendship
14:55- Her intro to sports broadcasting for running
26:30- How her role in media has impacted her own sports performance
30:30- Coverage of women’s sports
38:00- What Corinne sees for the future of broadcasting the sport
43:00- What’s next for Corinne
46:00- Navigating wildlife in ultrarunning
47:40- The project that Corinne and Hilary are working on for women’s sports
Show notes:
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The Trail Network Podcast is edited and produced by Sandyboy Productions Podcast Network

Jun 6, 2024 • 37min
Episode 13: Leah and Rachel talk all things WSER as they ramp up to the big race
This episode is made possible by Arc’teryx.
In this week's episode, Leah Yingling and Rachel Drake sit down and talk about some happenings in their lives, Rachel's recent graduation and move to Salt Lake City, and sharing takeaways from the Western States training camp.
Arc’teryx took their obsessive design approach and applied it to the most important point of contact with the mountains: your feet. Because when you’re out there, every step matters. Introducing the Sylan Shoe, which features a propulsive rocker, grippy Vibram outsole, and a cushy midsole to help you cover those mountain miles.
What we talked about:
2:30- All of the changes in Rachel’s life
6:35- Leah’s updates
7:55- Western States training camp
19:15- How Rachel has balanced parenting and training for Wester States
23:20- Some of the training runs and workouts they did at Western States
33:40- Looking ahead to the Western States race!
Show notes:
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The Trail Network Podcast is edited and produced by Sandyboy Productions Podcast Network

May 30, 2024 • 37min
Episode 12: Katie Asmuth & Eszter Csillag - Eszter's incredible journey intro trail running
This episode is made possible by Arc’teryx.
Today, Katie Asmuth chats with Eszter Csillag. Eszter is a professional ultrarunner for Hoka and the mom of two girls, and just defended her PhD in art history this year.
We recorded in person at our Airbnb in Old Town Auburn at Western States Training camp which really kicks of Western States season! Today, we learn about Eszter’s background with running, how we worked together for 3rd at 4th at Western States last year. She spoke about the attempt at Western States and UTMB in the same year, what she thinks about failure, and the races she has dominated since then. Eszter shares about what she calls “the machine” - the community of help that it takes to make this all happen.
We hope that you enjoy this episode and that you’ve caught Western States fever like both of us!
Arc’teryx took their obsessive design approach and applied it to the most important point of contact with the mountains: your feet. Because when you’re out there, every step matters. Introducing the Sylan Shoe, which features a propulsive rocker, grippy Vibram outsole, and a cushy midsole to help you cover those mountain miles.
What we talked about:
2:45- Racing Western States
3:30- Her intro into the sport
6:55- How her family has shifted to allow her to chase her dreams in the sport
15:00- Western States 2023
22:05- What’s different for Eszter heading into Western States this year
25:35- How she made a comeback after a tough race at UTMB last year
27:30- Receiving a PhD in art history
29:55- Fighting for equality for women in sport
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The Trail Network Podcast is edited and produced by Sandyboy Productions Podcast Network

May 23, 2024 • 1h 29min
Episode 11: Sally McRae - Her Incredible Journey, Career, and Living Your Life to the Very Fullest
This episode is made possible by Arc’teryx.
Today, Rachel and Hilary sit down with Sally McRae for a soul-filling conversation. We talk about balancing careers with family, staying true to your north star in life, and the power of knowing who you really are.
We hope that you come away from the conversation feeling inspired to live each day as fully as possible!
Arc’teryx took their obsessive design approach and applied it to the most important point of contact with the mountains: your feet. Because when you’re out there, every step matters. Introducing the Sylan Shoe, which features a propulsive rocker, grippy Vibram outsole, and a cushy midsole to help you cover those mountain miles. During the month of May, join the Arc’teryx Run Free Challenge on Strava, and run, walk, or otherwise cover 40 total miles to be entered to win one of 40 pairs of the new Sylan shoes.
What we talked about:
3:30- Our connection to Sally
10:30- Motherhood and sport and how that has shaped her career
57:10- Sally’s family and the team they have built together
1:12:00- Words of wisdom for Western States
Show notes:
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The Trail Network Podcast is edited and produced by Sandyboy Productions Podcast Network

May 16, 2024 • 36min
Episode 10: Careth Arnold - Post-partum racing, balancing motherhood + training, & a Golden Ticket
This episode is made possible by Arc’teryx.
Today, Leah chats with Careth Arnold. Careth is a professional runner for Altra and is based in Colorado. She is a mother, an artist, a horticulturist, and recently she earned a Golden Ticket to Western States by finishing 4th at the Canyons 100k.
In this episode, we chat about her ultrarunning journey and what it really means to balance being a mother while striving to be her best on the trails.
Arc’teryx took their obsessive design approach and applied it to the most important point of contact with the mountains: your feet. Because when you’re out there, every step matters. Introducing the Sylan Shoe, which features a propulsive rocker, grippy Vibram outsole, and a cushy midsole to help you cover those mountain miles. During the month of May, join the Arc’teryx Run Free Challenge on Strava, and run, walk, or otherwise cover 40 total miles to be entered to win one of 40 pairs of the new Sylan shoes.
What we talked about:
2:30- Introduction to Careth
6:05- Jumping into the trail and ultra running world
8:15- Recapping here tough and transformational year of 2023
13:45- Running postpartum
19:50- What her current training is looking like
27:00- Snagging her Western States Golden Ticket
28:35- Her training heading into Western States
Show notes:
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The Trail Network Podcast is edited and produced by Sandyboy Productions Podcast Network

May 2, 2024 • 58min
Episode 9: Canyons 100km, Men's vs. Women's Races: What Does Equal Coverage Really Look Like?
Welcome back to the Trail Network podcast. Today, Katie, Hilary, Leah, and Rachel sit down for another heart to heart episode. We just jumped right into this episode about Katie finding joy pinning a bib for the first time in 10 months and Rachel's travel mishap and trying to get to Madeira. We also chatted about all of the insane racing that went down last weekend, like Golden Trail Series event, Ultra Trail Mount Fuji, and the throw down at Canyons and how we think the livestream coverage could have been much better. The bulk of the conversation is about how we can all hold media coverage accountable so that viewers can enjoy equal coverage of the men’s and women’s races. Let's dive right in.
What we talked about:
2:30- Katie’s first gravel race
8:05- Rachel’s travel troubles to Madeira
11:30- Golden Trail Series
17:30- The Canyons Endurance Runs and a conversation on media coverage for women
52:00- What we're loving!
Show notes:
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Thank you to Osprey for supporting The Trail Network Podcast. Check them out at Osprey.com
The Trail Network Podcast is edited and produced by Sandyboy Productions Podcast Network

Apr 25, 2024 • 59min
Episode 8: Heart to Heart: Finding Joy in Competition, Race Recaps, & Should You Have a Coach?
Welcome back to The Trail Network podcast. On this week's episode, we get together to catch up about what's been going on since the last time we chatted. We hear from Hilary about her race at Leona Divide, Rachel about her upcoming race at Madeira, and we hear about Katie's first gravel race. We also dive into some thoughts on coaching and figuring out what works best for you.
We hope that you enjoy this episode!
What we talked about:
1:40- Hilary’s 55k race
10:50- Training your gut for your fueling strategy
14:20- Training for the heat of races
24:10- The camaraderie of trail running
37:10- Should you have a coach?
Show notes:
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Thank you to Osprey for supporting The Trail Network Podcast. Check them out at Osprey.com
The Trail Network Podcast is edited and produced by Sandyboy Productions Podcast Network

Apr 22, 2024 • 42min
Episode 7: Heart to Heart: Finding Training and Life Balance and Thoughts on Tackling 200s
In this episode, we have a nice heart-to-heart about all of the happenings in our lives. Katie talks about her new gravel biking career and her difficult decision to withdraw from Western States 100 miler this year. Leah shares about how she listens to her body as she is recovering from FURTHER and honoring the time that it takes from such a monumental effort. Hilary talks about her 200 mile race later this summer and how she is balancing training with all of her creative work. Rachel shares about the season that she is in with parenting, an upcoming move to Salt Lake City, and training for Western States.
What we talked about:
1:55- Katie’s decision to not race at Western States
9:15- Katie’s biking adventures
14:55- How Leah is feeling coming off of FURTHER
22:15- Hilary’s upcoming 200 mile race
30:35- Some hallucinations on the trails
32:10- Caffeine in trail races
35:00- Training and racing the same event as your partner
37:35- Rachel’s upcoming move and Western States
Show notes:
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Thank you to Osprey for supporting The Trail Network Podcast. Check them out at Osprey.com
The Trail Network Podcast is edited and produced by Sandyboy Productions Podcast Network

Apr 18, 2024 • 54min
Episode 6: Heart to Heart: Fueling, Performance, and Gorge Waterfalls 30k
On this episode, we dive into Rachel's win at the Gorge 30k last weekend. We talk about how she fueled her day and some of the ways that we adapt our nutrition needs depending on the race length and conditions. We also talked about some of our go-to pre-race meals. We shared some of our thoughts on paying attention to your body and your perceived effort while training and the importance of running your own race no matter what.
We hope that you'll take away some useful tips for your own races!
What we talked about:
2:30- Rachel’s big weekend
8:30- How media has changed in the sport
11:25- Fueling strategies
30:50- Rachel’s takeaways from the Gorge Waterfalls 30k
33:15- Overdoing it in races
35:15- Pre-race meals
38:40- Caffeine before races
42:55- Things we’re loving
Show notes:
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Thank you to Osprey for supporting The Trail Network Podcast. Check them out at Osprey.com
The Trail Network Podcast is edited and produced by Sandyboy Productions Podcast Network
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