
Enter the Boardroom with Nurole
Enter the Boardroom lifts the veil on the secretive world of boards, giving you the information you need to get more board roles and become better board members. Join Nurole CEO Oliver Cummings as he sits down with the extraordinary people shaping today's and tomorrow's boardrooms.
Latest episodes

Jun 25, 2025 • 46min
128. Yvonne Bajela: Founder breakups, deciphering moats, and the new role of governance
Yvonne Bajela is Partner at LocalGlobe and Latitude. Tune in to hear her thoughts on: What value can a board bring to startups? (1:28) What is a North Star metric for startup boards, and should they be looking for one? (5:28) How do you effectively challenge a founder as a NED? (8:58) How do boards navigate hypergrowth, with the associated challenges? (10:47) What have been the three most challenging situations you've faced as a board member? (12:02) What have you learnt about dealing with founder breakups as a board member?? (12:54) How should boards navigate a rapid change in market dynamics, such as a pandemic or the introduction of AI? (18:26) What approach should organisations take with regard to AI? (25:20) What heuristics can you use to determine whether an AI business has a moat? (28:13) At what stage should founders build a board? (30:32) What are the moments where you've seen independent directors add transformational value? (32:42) How can founder-CEOs ensure their board is giving them a high return on investment? (36:12) What makes a good investor director? (41:05) And the ⚡ The Lightning Round ⚡ (42:54)Host: Oliver Cummings Producer: Will Felton Editor: Alex Fish Music: Kate Mac Audio: Nick Kolt Email: podcast@nurole.com Web: https://www.nurole.com/nurole-podcast-enter-the-boardroom

Jun 18, 2025 • 46min
127. Rita Clifton CBE: What boards get wrong about brand
Rita Clifton CBE is Chair of Simplyhealth and Deputy Chair of the John Lewis Partnership. Tune in to hear her thoughts on: Why should boards care more about brand? (1:52) What framework do you use to assess brand when joining a board? (5:49) How should CEOs think about return on brand investment? (8:03) How should boards manage the lag between internal changes and market perception?(17:59) When has your brand expertise helped unlock board-level value? (20:18) What did you do at ASOS when the share price collapsed? (28:17) How should boards handle intense public scrutiny of their brands? (31:29) Where do boards most often go wrong on brand? (37:19) And ⚡The Lightning round ⚡(40:44)Host: Oliver Cummings Producer: Will Felton Editor: Alex Fish Music: Kate Mac Audio: Nick Kolt Email: podcast@nurole.com Web: https://www.nurole.com/nurole-podcast-enter-the-boardroom

Jun 11, 2025 • 50min
126. Fred Destin: How start-up boards create & destroy value (and whether we should be thinking about value at all)
Fred Destin, founder of Stride VC and lead investor in notable startups like Cazoo and Deliveroo, shares insights on the complex dynamics of startup boards. He discusses how bold equity strategies, such as Zoopla's 30% giveaway, can redefine value creation. Fred argues that many boards often destroy value, advocating for a shift in approach where board members act more like scientists than prosecutors. He emphasizes the importance of curiosity, early indicators, and collaboration to foster an effective governance environment.

Jun 4, 2025 • 47min
125. Elena Lytkina Botelho: The CEO Next Door: Why Boards Get CEO Succession Wrong—and how to get it right
Elena Botelho is co-author of the international best-seller, The CEO Next Door, and partner at ghSMART. Tune in to hear her thoughts on: What mistakes do boards most often make in CEO succession? (1:50) How should boards use external advice when evaluating CEO candidates? (6:23) What lessons can board members learn from failed CEO hires? (19:46) How can individual board members overcome deference to powerful CEOs? (22:34) What's your framework for hiring a CEO? (25:49) Should CEOs have board roles? (32:53) How should boards decide whether to invest in developing a potential CEO candidate? (36:27) What can boards learn from the companies that consistently produce great CEOs? (40:15) ⚡The Lightning round ⚡(44:11) Host: Oliver Cummings Producer: Will Felton Editor: Alex Fish Music: Kate Mac Audio: Nick Kolt Email: podcast@nurole.com Web: https://www.nurole.com/nurole-podcast-enter-the-boardroom

May 28, 2025 • 46min
124. Malcolm John: How to get board roles and what boards get wrong about racial diversity
Malcolm John, Founder and CEO of Action for Trustee Racial Diversity, shares his insights on enhancing racial diversity in UK boards. He discusses his journey to the boardroom and the crucial role of networking. Malcolm highlights common mistakes organizations make, emphasizing the need for genuine inclusivity instead of tokenism. He also addresses the mental toll of difficult conversations and underscores the importance of valuing diverse perspectives to foster effective governance. Tune in for enlightening strategies to ensure boards truly embrace diversity!

May 21, 2025 • 47min
123. Christian Unger: Why experts beat generalists on investor-backed boards
Christian Unger is Partner at Partners Group. Tune in to hear his thoughts on: What is the Partners Group approach to boards? (1:49) How do you attract CEOs to board roles? (5.23) What is the perfect board size? (10.18) How much ownership do individual NEDs have over specific strategies? (17:56) Where have you seen NEDs add the most value? (26:28) How do you stop disagreement for disagreement’s sake on board? (30:09) How do you measure board member value? (37:44) How many board roles are too many? (39:17) How should boards structure meetings? (40:52) And ⚡The Lightning round ⚡(43:31)Host: Oliver Cummings Producer: Will Felton Editor: Alex Fish Music: Kate Mac Audio: Nick Kolt Email: podcast@nurole.com Web: https://www.nurole.com/nurole-podcast-enter-the-boardroom

May 14, 2025 • 46min
122. Dorothy Burwell: Communications in the boardroom - exerting non-exec influence and building trust with management teams
Dorothy Burwell is a Partner at FGS Global, NED at Post Holdings, and Pennon plc. Tune in to hear her thoughts on: What key lessons as a comms exec have shaped the way you act as a board member? (2:13) How did you navigate merging four founder-led businesses together at FGS? (4:21) How quickly should changes occur post-merger? (11:17) What advice do you give to an executive team going through a merger? (12:54) How do you discover the culture of an organisation? (13:40) How has your experience at ‘Which?’ shaped your approach to comms in the boardroom? (15:42) What are the cultural differences between a US and UK board? (20:02) How do you deal with crisis comms? (22:18) What are the classic comms errors you see boards making? (24:55) How can organisations surface and escalate crises more rapidly? (27:10) How should boards manage political shifts around things like D&I? (31:56) Should boards be politically active? (34:45)How did you transition from pro bono to paid board roles?? (40:44) And the ⚡The Lightning round ⚡(43:02)Host: Oliver Cummings Producer: Will Felton Editor: Alex Fish Music: Kate Mac Audio: Nick Kolt Email: podcast@nurole.com Web: https://www.nurole.com/nurole-podcast-enter-the-boardroom

May 7, 2025 • 44min
121. Lisa Gordon: UK capital markets reforms - how should boards respond?
Lisa Gordon is Chair of Cavendish and a NED at 3i Infrastructure PLC, JP Morgan MidCap Investment Trust PLC and Magic Light Pictures Ltd. Tune in to hear her thoughts on: What sort of a NED are you? (2:10) How do you gain confidence in the boardroom? (7:37) How reliant are you on outside support to maintain your courage? (11:59) How challenging are capital markets? (15:57) How can board members help position their organisations better in a challenging macro environment? (19:02) What should NEDs be discussing about the capital markets? (23:57) What capital market reforms are currently in the pipeline? (27:12) How can board members capitalise on the opportunities reforms will produce?? (29:46) ⚡The Lightning round ⚡(33:26) and the Audience Q and A (37:30)Host: Oliver Cummings Producer: Will Felton Editor: Alex Fish Music: Kate Mac Audio: Nick Kolt Email: podcast@nurole.com Web: https://www.nurole.com/nurole-podcast-enter-the-boardroom

Apr 30, 2025 • 45min
120. Tim Jackson: Coaching CEOs: how Chairs, NEDs and Investor Directors add most value to their most senior executive
Tim Jackson, founder of QXL and a general partner at Walking Ventures, shares deep insights from his extensive experience as an early-stage investor and advisor. He discusses the crucial dynamics between CEOs and their boards, emphasizing the importance of proactive fundraising and the traits that enhance these relationships. Jackson also explores how CEOs can effectively prepare for crises, adapt as their companies scale, and the value (or oversight) investor directors bring to the table. His thoughts culminate in strategies that drive successful board interactions and decision-making.

Apr 23, 2025 • 44min
119. Jurga Zilinskiene MBE: Building scale-up boards
Jurga Zilinskiene, a leading AI thinker and founder of multiple successful businesses, discusses the transformative power of boards in her entrepreneurial journey. She shares insights on how her board has added value and shaped strategy, especially in navigating the challenges of AI integration. Jurga emphasizes the need for diverse perspectives in boardrooms and outlines effective recruitment processes for non-executive directors. Additionally, she explores the importance of strategic geographic focus and how adaptive boards can drive growth.