

Thoughtforms Life
Michael Levin
A podcast by Professor Michael Levin exploring the frontiers of biology, cognition, and emergence. Engage in conversations about morphogenesis, bioelectricity, and synthetic life — and uncover how intelligence and agency emerge from the most fundamental levels of nature.
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Sep 14, 2024 • 58min
Discussion with Kevin Mitchell, Nick Cheney, and Ben Hartl on Evolution, Development, Generative Models
This is a ~1 hour discussion with Kevin Mitchell (https://www.kjmitchell.com/), Nick Cheney (https://www.uvm.edu/cems/cs/profiles/nick-cheney), and Ben Hartl (https://allencenter.tufts.edu/benedikt-hartl-ph-d/) on the application of connectionist generative models in understanding the role of the genome in evolution and the control of form and function. Links to relevant materials mentioned in the discussion:
Nick and Kevin's recent paper preprint: https://arxiv.org/abs/2407.15908
Kevin's rec...
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Sep 6, 2024 • 59min
Aastha Jain Simes & I Interview Mustafa Djamgoz, Foundational Contributor to Cancer Bioelectricity
This is another episode in our series on the great figures in developmental bioelectricity. We interview (~1 hour) Mustafa Djamgoz, who has made pivotal discoveries about the role of bioelectricity in the problem of cancer and its eventual solution.
Mustafa's book: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17612801-beat-cancer
Mustafa's papers: https://profiles.imperial.ac.uk/m.djamgoz/publications
Mustafa and I are co-editors of the new journal Bioelectricity: https://home.liebertpub.com/publicat...
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Aug 30, 2024 • 1h 1min
Conversation 1 with Alex Schmidt and Alexey Tolchinsky
This is a ~1 hour discussion with Dr. Alex Schmidt (www.schmidtpsychologicalservices.com) and Alexey Tolchinsky, Psy.D. (https://montgomerycountypsychologist.com/). We touch on issues of trauma, somatic memory, dissociation, and protective mechanisms at the interface of the psychiatry and developmental biology.
In private practice, Dr. Schmidt works with children and adults who exhibit severe and lasting emotional and physical trauma and who present with assorted presentations of PTSD. She has...
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Aug 26, 2024 • 1h 5min
Discussion with Richard Watson and Josh Bongard
This is a ~1 hour discussion with Richard Watson (https://www.richardawatson.com/) and Josh Bongard (https://www.uvm.edu/cems/cs/profiles/josh_bongard) touching on topics of agency, polycomputing, oscillations, and evolution.
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Aug 16, 2024 • 57min
Conversation between Josh Bongard, Tom Froese, and I on Irruption Theory, Polycomputing, and Minds
This is a ~1 hour conversation between Josh Bongard (https://www.uvm.edu/cems/cs/profiles/josh_bongard), Tom Froese (https://www.oist.jp/research/tom-froese), and I on Irruption theory, polycomputing, and the mind-body relationship. Some relevant links from the discussion:
Tom's paper on irruption theory: https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/26/4/288
Josh and I on polycomputaton: https://www.mdpi.com/2313-7673/8/1/110
Eduardo's paper on multiple embodiment: https://scholar.google.com/citations?view...
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Aug 13, 2024 • 52min
Conversation Between Josh Bongard, Atoosa Parsa, Richard Watson, and I
This is a ~50 minute conversation between Josh Bongard (https://www.uvm.edu/cems/cs/profiles/josh_bongard), Atoosa Parsa (https://www.atoosaparsa.com/), Richard Watson (https://www.richardawatson.com/), and I on topics of agency, computation, polycomputing, oscillations, selfhood, and similar subjects.
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Aug 8, 2024 • 58min
Discussion With Tim Jackson, Karl Friston, and Chris Fields
In a fascinating discussion, Tim Jackson, an evolutionary biologist, Karl Friston, a theoretical neuroscientist, and Chris Fields, a researcher in cognition, dive deep into the free energy principle. They explore how this principle applies to self-organization and evolutionary processes. Key topics include the role of generative models in understanding systems, the origins and significance of attractors, and the impact of noise on novelty in evolution. Each guest provides unique insights, grounding their ideas in physics while navigating philosophical implications.

Aug 7, 2024 • 30min
An Active Inference Model of Collective Intelligence by R. Kaufman, P. Gupta, and J. Taylor
Join Rafael Kaufmann, a mathematician at Google focusing on collective intelligence, and Pranav Gupta, a business researcher studying human-machine teams, as they explore fascinating concepts in active inference. They discuss how agent interactions influence collective behavior and the role of goal alignment in team success. Rafael shares insights on modeling dynamics between strong and weak agents, while Pranav highlights the importance of collective memory and attention. They even touch on how motivation can elevate performance in both human and AI collaborations.

Aug 3, 2024 • 28min
The Mind of the Body: A Window into Embodiment and Our Future
"Metaphysics and the Matter with Things: Thinking with Iain McGilchrist was a collaborative conference put on by the Center for Process Studies (CPS) and the California Institute of Integral Studies (CIIS) in March of 2024. This three-day conference brought leading process thinkers across various disciplines, including physics, neuroscience, psychology, philosophy, and theology into critical dialogue with McGilchrist’s work in a collegial effort to assess, question, extend, and apply it. For mor...
CHAPTERS:(00:03) Embodied Minds & Intelligence(02:00) Diverse Intelligences Framework(03:50) Origin of Agential Material(05:30) Collective Cellular Intelligence(07:36) Self Boundaries & Individuation(08:55) Bioelectricity & Body Asymmetry(10:40) Collective Problem Solving(12:00) Adapting to Changing Parts(13:30) Bioelectrical Network Minds(15:00) Reading Collective Mind(16:00) Hacking Bioelectric Memory(18:00) Rewriting Planarian Memory(20:00) Cancer as Self Failure(21:00) Somatic Psychiatry Approach(22:00) Plasticity Beyond Development(23:00) Xenobots & Anthropods(26:00) Exploring Capability Space(27:00) Conclusion & Resources
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Aug 2, 2024 • 54min
Discussion with Daniel McShea and Gunnar Babcock
This is ~1 hour conversation with Daniel McShea (https://scholars.duke.edu/person/dmcshea) and Gunnar Babcock (https://gunnarbabcock.com/) on topics of biology, evolution, causation, explanation, and the machine metaphor.
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