

Thoughtforms Life
Michael Levin
A podcast by Professor Michael Levin exploring the frontiers of biology, cognition, and emergence. Engage in conversations about morphogenesis, bioelectricity, and synthetic life — and uncover how intelligence and agency emerge from the most fundamental levels of nature.
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Aug 13, 2024 • 52min
Conversation Between Josh Bongard, Atoosa Parsa, Richard Watson, and I
This is a ~50 minute conversation between Josh Bongard (https://www.uvm.edu/cems/cs/profiles/josh_bongard), Atoosa Parsa (https://www.atoosaparsa.com/), Richard Watson (https://www.richardawatson.com/), and I on topics of agency, computation, polycomputing, oscillations, selfhood, and similar subjects.
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Aug 8, 2024 • 58min
Discussion With Tim Jackson, Karl Friston, and Chris Fields
This is a ~1 hour conversation between Tim Jackson (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Timothy-Jackson-4), Karl Friston (https://www.fil.ion.ucl.ac.uk/~karl/), Chris Fields (https://chrisfieldsresearch.com/) and I around the free energy principle, philosophy, evolution, and novelty.
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Aug 7, 2024 • 30min
An Active Inference Model of Collective Intelligence by R. Kaufman, P. Gupta, and J. Taylor
This is a ~30 minute talk by Rafael Kaufmann, Pranav Gupta, and Jacob Taylor. There is a 30 minute Q&A here: https://thoughtforms.life/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/QA-from-Gupta-Kaufman-Taylor.mp3 ; the paper referred to is: https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/23/7/830
Some more relevant links:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bX5GK3rZX8RdgmcvXyfpOGEVYbIePMq8/view?usp=sharing
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-sdgs-will-need-action-bonding-and-ritual-lessons-from-collective-intelligence/
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Aug 3, 2024 • 28min
The Mind of the Body: A Window into Embodiment and Our Future
"Metaphysics and the Matter with Things: Thinking with Iain McGilchrist was a collaborative conference put on by the Center for Process Studies (CPS) and the California Institute of Integral Studies (CIIS) in March of 2024. This three-day conference brought leading process thinkers across various disciplines, including physics, neuroscience, psychology, philosophy, and theology into critical dialogue with McGilchrist’s work in a collegial effort to assess, question, extend, and apply it. For mor...
CHAPTERS:(00:03) Embodied Minds & Intelligence(02:00) Diverse Intelligences Framework(03:50) Origin of Agential Material(05:30) Collective Cellular Intelligence(07:36) Self Boundaries & Individuation(08:55) Bioelectricity & Body Asymmetry(10:40) Collective Problem Solving(12:00) Adapting to Changing Parts(13:30) Bioelectrical Network Minds(15:00) Reading Collective Mind(16:00) Hacking Bioelectric Memory(18:00) Rewriting Planarian Memory(20:00) Cancer as Self Failure(21:00) Somatic Psychiatry Approach(22:00) Plasticity Beyond Development(23:00) Xenobots & Anthropods(26:00) Exploring Capability Space(27:00) Conclusion & Resources
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Aug 2, 2024 • 54min
Discussion with Daniel McShea and Gunnar Babcock
This is ~1 hour conversation with Daniel McShea (https://scholars.duke.edu/person/dmcshea) and Gunnar Babcock (https://gunnarbabcock.com/) on topics of biology, evolution, causation, explanation, and the machine metaphor.
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Jul 29, 2024 • 53min
Prices as Cognitive Glue by Benjamin Lyons
This is a ~25 minute talk and another ~25 minutes of discussion between Benjamin Lyons (https://benjaminflyons.com/) and myself, about his work to understand the commonalities between economics and collective intelligence in biology. Some links mentioned in the discussion:
https://interestingessays.substack.com/p/prices-as-memories
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4878765
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.02688/abstract
https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/24/...
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Jul 28, 2024 • 55min
Discussion with Stuart Kauffman and Katherine Peil Kauffman
This is a ~1 hour-long discussion meeting with Stuart Kauffman and Katherine Peil Kauffman, covering evolution, machines, metaphors in science, etc.
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Jul 23, 2024 • 50min
Discussion with Ricard Sole
This is a ~45 minute discussion with Ricard Sole (http://complex.upf.edu/ricard-sol%C3%A9), a synthetic biologist whose work spans evolution, language, and many other fascinating areas.
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Jun 25, 2024 • 47min
Economics, Deep Learning, and Basal Cognition
This is a ~45 min discussion with Benjamin Lyons (https://www.linkedin.com/in/benjamin-lyons-ab46717a) and David Bloomin (https://daveey.github.io/) on topics at the intersection of economics, basal cognition, and deep learning.
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Jun 10, 2024 • 1h 2min
Aastha Jain Simes & I Interview Ken Robinson, a Great Figure in Developmental Bioelectricity
This is the second of our series of discussions with key figures in the field of Bioelectricity. Ken Robinson has a long list of accomplishments in this field, covering the role of electric fields in guiding cell migration and more generally the function of electrogenic epithelia in embryogenesis. This is about a ~1 hour conversation in which he talks about his background, the history of the field, and his time in Lionel Jaffe's lab.
The papers we talked about:
http://dev.biologists.org/cgi/rep...
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