
This Is Not Church Podcast
This Is Not Church podcast offers a compelling and thought-provoking exploration of the intersections between deconstruction, activism, spirituality, and the LGBTQIA+ community, as well as vital issues like Black Lives Matter and First Nations' rights. Hosted by passionate individuals who are dedicated to fostering open and inclusive conversations, this podcast delves into the complex journey of deconstructing one's faith, while simultaneously embracing and advocating for the rights and stories of the LGBTQIA+ community, as well as the fight for racial justice within the Black Lives Matter movement and the preservation of First Nations' cultures and rights. With a focus on examining the evolving landscapes of faith and identity, "This Is Not Church" provides a safe and informative space for listeners to engage with narratives of self-discovery, resilience, and transformation, ultimately encouraging a more empathetic and understanding society.
Latest episodes

May 3, 2021 • 1h 21min
Unplugging from PSA: A conversation with Keith Giles
In This episode we chat with Keith Giles. The author of Jesus Unforsaken: Substituting Divine Wrath With Unrelenting Love.
He is the author of several books, including: "Jesus Unbound: Liberating the Word of God from the Bible" and "Jesus Untangled: Crucifying Our Politics To Pledge Allegiance To The Lamb." Keith is the co-host of the Heretic Happy Hour Podcast. Keith also teaches several online courses including "Square 1: From Deconstruction to Reconstruction" and other courses based on his many books.
You can connect With Keith Giles on:
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Check out the classes Keith offers on his website.
All of Keith's books are available on Amazon.com
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Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!
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Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger

Apr 26, 2021 • 1h 15min
Q & Eh with Wm Paul Young & Brad Jersak
In this episode we chat with Wm Paul Young and Brad Jersak about:
The Pastor: A Crisis. We delve into questions about shame, fear, wrath, and how the grace of God can bring redemption and forgiveness. Even to the people we deem as irredeemable and unforgivable. This conversation will challenge you...in a good way.
You can connect With Wm Paul Young on:
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Also, check out his website.
You can connect with Brad Jersak on:
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Also Check Out his website.
You can purchase The Pastor A Crisis on Amazon.com
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Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions.
Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts
Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!
If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us.
Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger

Apr 19, 2021 • 1h 3min
You can’t miss this episode. A conversation with Thomas Jay Oord the author of God Can’t
In this episode we talk to Thomas Jay Oord. Thomas Jay Oord is a theologian, philosopher, and scholar of multi-disciplinary studies. Oord is a best-selling and award-winning author, having written or edited more than twenty-five books. He directs a doctoral program at Northwind Theological Seminary and the Center for Open and Relational Theology. A twelve-time Faculty Award-winning professor, Oord teaches at institutions around the globe. Oord is known for his contributions to research on love, open and relational theology, science and religion, and the implications of freedom and relationships for transformation.
You can connect With Thomas Jay Oord on:
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Also, check out his website.
You can purchase Thomas Jay Oord's book God Can't on Amazon.com
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Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions.
Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts
Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!
If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us.
Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger

Apr 12, 2021 • 46min
Cool Reflections with Kyle Butler
In this week’s episode we chat with our good friend Kyle Butler. Kyle is a former pastor who has left the church to pursue a closer and more intimate connection to the divine. Kyle speaks on our connection to the divine through unconditional love. Kyle is a co-host of The Graceline. He can be found speaking the truths of our divine nature on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube.
You can connect with Kyle Butler on
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Or Connect with him through his website.
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Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts
Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!
If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us.
Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger

Apr 5, 2021 • 1h 15min
Into the grey with Michelle Collins
In this episode we talk to Michelle Collins
Michelle Collins a wife, and mother to 4 grown children. She served in the US Marine Corps. Is currently pursuing a doctorate in psychology as well as additional degrees in biblical studies and Christian counseling. An introvert dedicated to both fitness of body and mind. Michelle possesses the rare ability to participate in a discussion and see both sides without disparaging those of whom she might disagree. She is currently writing a book on the grief cycle applied to religious deconstruction.
You can connect with Michelle Collins on:
Facebook, Instagram (if you want to follow her body building)
Michelle is also the co-host of Mental Podcast
We will link to her new book as soon as it is available to purchase. Keep an eye out for it. The title of the book is Into The Grey
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Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions.
Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts
Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!
If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us.
Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger

Mar 29, 2021 • 1h 11min
An authentic conversation with our good friend Karl Forehand
In this episode we talk to Karl Forehand
Karl J. Forehand was a bi-vocational pastor for 20 years and has training in spiritual leadership coaching, plant-based nutrition, and spiritual direction. He lives in Missouri with his wife Laura and dog Winston. He has three grown children and two grandchildren.
You can connect with Karl Forehand on:
Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Patheos, and his Website
You can find Karl's books on Amazon
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Mar 22, 2021 • 51min
A conversation with Brad Jersak - the co-author of the book - The Pastor: A Crisis
In this episode we talk to Brad Jersak
Brad is the dean of theology and culture at St Stephen's University in Canada. He is the author of 20 books including Her Gates Will Never Be Shut, A More Christlike God, A More Christlike Way, and The Pastor: A Crisis co-written with Paul Young.
You can connect with Brad Jersak on:
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Mar 15, 2021 • 60min
Messy Conversations with the host of Messy Spirituality Podcast Jason Elam
In this episode we speak with our good friend Jason Elam.
Jason Elam is Brandi’s grateful husband, the proud dad of 4 awesome kids, a former professional wrestler and radio broadcaster, and former local church pastor for over 20 years. He is the author of the forthcoming book, “From Ashes We Rise” and hosts The Messy Spirituality Podcast.
You can connect with Jason on
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Mar 8, 2021 • 35min
Introducing the hosts - Jon & Nat Turney
Episode 1: Introduction
This episode is the introduction of both Jon & Nat Turney. We talk about the hopes of the podcast as long with a little of our background.
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