
This Is Not Church Podcast
This Is Not Church podcast offers a compelling and thought-provoking exploration of the intersections between deconstruction, activism, spirituality, and the LGBTQIA+ community, as well as vital issues like Black Lives Matter and First Nations' rights. Hosted by passionate individuals who are dedicated to fostering open and inclusive conversations, this podcast delves into the complex journey of deconstructing one's faith, while simultaneously embracing and advocating for the rights and stories of the LGBTQIA+ community, as well as the fight for racial justice within the Black Lives Matter movement and the preservation of First Nations' cultures and rights. With a focus on examining the evolving landscapes of faith and identity, "This Is Not Church" provides a safe and informative space for listeners to engage with narratives of self-discovery, resilience, and transformation, ultimately encouraging a more empathetic and understanding society.
Latest episodes

Sep 6, 2021 • 1h 6min
What Can‘t Be Hidden: A Conversation with Brandon Andress
In this episode we talk with Brandon Andress.
Brandon is the author of What Can’t Be Hidden- A Novel and bestselling Beauty in the Wreckage: Finding Peace in the Age of Outrage. As a freelance writer, he has contributed his work to Relevant Magazine, ReKnew, and Zondervan. Brandon lives in Columbus, Indiana and is a graduate of Hanover College in Psychology with an MBA from Indiana Wesleyan University.
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Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

Aug 30, 2021 • 1h 6min
The Atheistic Theist: A Conversation With Jeff Turner
In this episode we talk with Jeff Turner.
Jeff Turner is a husband and a father. Jeff is the author of two books – The Atheistic Theist and Saints In The Arms Of A Happy God. Jeff is also the host of the podcast - Religionless.
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You can find links to Jeff's book, podcast, as well as other cool stuff on his LinkTree
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Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger

Aug 23, 2021 • 57min
The Church Can Go To Hell - A Conversation With Desimber Rose
In this episode we talk with Desimber Rose. The author of the book - The Church Can Go To Hell
Desimber Rose is an author, poet, spoken word artist, and former Pastor of The Restoration Center in Greenville, South Carolina and The Rock Worship Center in West Union, South Carolina. At every opportunity she is committed to reaching souls through love and truth, restoring lives through servant leadership, and equipping the Body of Christ for righteous living through the teaching of sound doctrine.
Her approach to the Gospel is practical, realistic, and void of legalism and religious restriction. Her sole objective is to present the Savior to the world as she understands Him... to spread the Good News of God's Grace to the world through radical truth. There is a kind of testimony and witness that can only come from brokenness. There is a level of compassion that can only be expressed by those who need it most. Desimber Rose speaks for those who don't have the words... for those whose voices have been muted by failure, rejection, abuse, and trauma... for those familiar with the darkness and fluent in pain.
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You can purchase her book - The Church Can Go To Hell on Amazon.com
You can find some of her Spoken word on her Youtube channel.
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Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger

Aug 18, 2021 • 22min
A Bonus Conversation With Kenneth Tanner
We had such a good time chatting with Kenneth Tanner, we kept the conversation going at the end of the regular episode. We decided to share this conversation with you all.
Kenneth Tanner is pastor of Church of the Holy Redeemer in Rochester Hills, Michigan.
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If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us.
Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger

Aug 16, 2021 • 1h 4min
Reframing Paul with Douglas Campbell
In this episode we continue our conversation with Douglas Campbell.
Douglas was born in London but raised a New Zealander. He did his undergraduate degree in Political Philosophy at the University of Otago in New Zealand, and his graduate degrees in Religious Studies at the University of Toronto in Canada, where he was supported by a Commonwealth Scholarship. He wrote his thesis on Romans 3:21-26 under the direction of Richard Longenecker. His first academic post was in Religious Studies at his alma mater, the University of Otago (1989-96). After seven years he went to teach in Theology and Religious Studies at King's College London (1996-2003), and after another seven years was hired into his current teaching position at Duke Divinity School, where he is now a Professor of New Testament and directs the Prison Studies program. Since arriving at Duke in 2003 he has published four books on the apostle Paul, with a fifth, reasonably large, book due to arrive in the book shops in November 2019. Douglas has two adult children, and is a keen supporter of the arts, as his wife, Rachel, is a painter. He loves the warm weather of North Carolina, and currently lives in downtown Durham with two cats, a dog, and his wife's chickens. Despite qualms in terms of a Christian virtue ethic, he remains passionate about international politics and international rugby.
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Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions.
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Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!
If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us.
Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger

Aug 9, 2021 • 1h 11min
Good Things Happen In This Episode with Ellen Compton
In this episode we have a conversation with Ellen Compton.
I will let Ellen introduce herself. Allow me to introduce myself with a few miscellaneous thoughts:
I am a family-prioritizing, coffee-drinking, truth-telling, authenticity-seeking, list-making, God-following, world-loving, ambiverted, former closet writer. The words laid back have never been used to describe me. I am an unabashed over-user of hashtags and emojis. The message written on my heart is one of identity; I am passionate about living authentically as the person I was created to be and helping others to do likewise…even in the midst of this gauntlet that is life.
I live on the east coast of Canada with my family. My teenagers are occasionally mind-boggling, and entirely magnificent. In addition to writing, I teach French to High School students…and all remaining hours are, quite literally, spent in my vehicle, driving the teenagers to hockey practices, rehearsals, horseback riding, and to visit friends. It’s a full, imperfect and wonderful life.
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Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!
If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us.
Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger

Aug 2, 2021 • 1h 15min
One More Time Around With Paul Bergmann
In this episode we continue our conversation with Paul Bergmann.
Paul Bergmann #thatguyonfacebook. Paul is a former UCLA Bruin football Rose Bowl champion, a former NFL player, and the former pastor of Ojai Valley Community Church. He lives in Ojai with his wife Kathy. Paul now spends his time helping the marginalized in his community and runs a Facebook group called 1communityOjai. A nonsectarian gathering to help each other become better versions of ourselves, and the world a better version of itself.
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Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions.
Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts
Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!
If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us.
Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger

Jul 26, 2021 • 1h 10min
Rob Bell Knows That Guy. A Conversation With Paul Bergmann
In this episode we talk with Paul Bergmann.
Paul Bergmann #thatguyonfacebook. Paul is a former UCLA Bruin football Rose Bowl champion, a former NFL player, and the former pastor of Ojai Valley Community Church. He lives in Ojai with his wife Kathy. Paul now spends his time helping the marginalized in his community and runs a Facebook group called 1communityOjai. A nonsectarian gathering to help each other become better versions of ourselves, and the world a better version of itself.
You can connect with Paul Bergmann on:
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Check out his Facebook group
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Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions.
Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts
Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!
If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us.
Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger

Jul 19, 2021 • 1h 22min
Shattering the stronghold of shame with John Lynch
In this episode we talk with John Lynch
John Lynch is a speaker, author, and former pastor. After 27 years as the teaching pastor at Open Door Fellowship in Phoenix, Arizona, John joined Trueface in 1997 and began speaking nationally and both authoring and coauthoring many resources such as The Cure and TrueFaced, and his own story in On My Worst Day. As an outlet for his love of writing and performing, John co-founded and was both a playwright and actor for Sharkey Productions, a theater troupe focused on Gospel-anchored theater productions for those still seeking Jesus. John and his wife Stacey have three grown children and a growing troupe of grandchildren.
You can connect with John Lynch on:
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Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions.
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Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!
If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us.
Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger

Jul 5, 2021 • 1h 28min
Unlocking The True Nature Of God With C. Baxter Kruger
C. Baxter Kruger, a Trinitarian scholar and director of Perichoresis Ministries, delves into the divine nature of God and its implications for personal faith. He challenges traditional views of separation from God in Western Christianity, advocating for a deeper, transformative understanding rooted in grace. Baxter shares poignant moments that led to emotional revelations and the importance of genuine relationships with the divine. Engaging stories illustrate how parables reshape perceptions of God, urging listeners to embrace active participation in their faith.