
This Is Not Church Podcast
This Is Not Church podcast offers a compelling and thought-provoking exploration of the intersections between deconstruction, activism, spirituality, and the LGBTQIA+ community, as well as vital issues like Black Lives Matter and First Nations' rights. Hosted by passionate individuals who are dedicated to fostering open and inclusive conversations, this podcast delves into the complex journey of deconstructing one's faith, while simultaneously embracing and advocating for the rights and stories of the LGBTQIA+ community, as well as the fight for racial justice within the Black Lives Matter movement and the preservation of First Nations' cultures and rights. With a focus on examining the evolving landscapes of faith and identity, "This Is Not Church" provides a safe and informative space for listeners to engage with narratives of self-discovery, resilience, and transformation, ultimately encouraging a more empathetic and understanding society.
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Oct 3, 2022 • 1h 9min
The First Advent In Palestine: A Conversation With Kelley Nikondeha
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In this episode we chat with Kelley Nikondeha
Kelley Nikondeha is a writer, liberation theologian, and community development practitioner. She combines biblical texts and various cultural contexts to discover insights for embodied justice, community engagement, and living faith. She is the author of Defiant: What the Women of Exodus Teach Us about Freedom and Adopted: The Sacrament of Belonging in a Fractured World, and is known for highlighting Palestinian voices and rights. She travels between the southwest US and Burundi in East Africa.
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Sep 26, 2022 • 58min
Out Into The Desert: A Conversation With Karl Forehand
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In this episode we chat with Karl Forehand
Karl J. Forehand was a bi-vocational pastor for 20 years and has training in spiritual leadership coaching, plant-based nutrition, and spiritual direction. He lives in Missouri with his wife Laura and dog Winston. He has three grown children and two grandchildren. Karl is the cohost of the podcast The Desert Sanctuary with his wife Laura. Karl is the author of Apparent Faith, The Tea Shop, Being, The Hotel, and his latest book Out Into The Desert.
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Sep 19, 2022 • 1h 3min
Signs Of Change: A Conversation With Anthony Bartlett
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In this episode we chat with Anthony Bartlett.
Anthony Bartlett read philosophy and theology at Heythrop Athaneum in Oxfordshire, England, and at London University. Following his ordination to the Roman Catholic priesthood he spent a year studying in Rome.After ten years of ministry, he resigned the official priesthood. In this period of transition he lived in a community of prayer near Assisi in Italy, under the guidance of writer and teacher, Carlo Carretto. The experience around Carretto welcomed many different individuals at the crossroads of traditional Catholicism and the search for fresh perspective and spiritual practice. It was natural that news of a major recent book by René Girard and his extraordinary cross-disciplinary understanding of Christianity should arrive among members of this group. The seed of information planted then eventually matured into contact between Tony and James Williams, professor of the Hebrew Bible in the Syracuse University Department of Religion and prominent Girardian scholar. With Williams' support and encouragement Tony was accepted for doctoral studies in the Department,emigrating to the U.S. with his family, and gaining his degree in 1999. As well as being a founding member of Wood Hath Hope he is the author of numerous articles and books, including Virtually Christian, How Christ Changes Human Meaning and Makes Creation New, and Signs of Change(March, 2022)
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Sep 12, 2022 • 58min
How To Not Be A Dick: A Conversation with Matthew Distefano
In this episode we chat with Matthew Distefano.
Matthew is a best-selling author, blogger, podcaster, long-time social worker, and hip-hop artist. He is an outspoken advocate for nonviolence, happily married, with one daughter. Outside of writing, his interests include gardening, hiking, and European football. He lives in Northern California. Matthew has released two books in the last year. Don't Be a Dick released March os 2022 and Learning To Float (Written with Michelle Collins) released July 2022.
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Sep 5, 2022 • 1h 5min
The Resurrection Of Jesse Barrow: A Conversation With Brandon Dragan
In this episode we chat with Brandon Dragan.
Brandon Dragan earned his J.D. from Belmont University College of Law in Nashville, TN and won the American Bar Association Journal’s 2021 Ross Writing Contest. He draws on a wide range of influences—from literature, to history, to philosophy—to craft meaningful and often surprising narratives that challenge the status-quo and reach for a deeper understanding of what it means to be human. Brandon and his wife Jami live in the Nashville area with their two daughters, Natalie & Brooklyn. He enjoys a good cigar, Irish whisky, road cycling and is an avid supporter of Arsenal Football Club. Brandon's latest book The Resurrection of Jesse Barrow was released by Quoir in March of 2022
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Aug 29, 2022 • 1h 10min
In The Margins: A Conversation With Father Shannon Kearns
In this episode we chat with Father Shannon Kearns.
Shannon TL Kearns is a transgender man who believes in the transformative power of story. As an ordained priest, a playwright, a theologian, and a writer all of his work revolves around making meaning through story. He's the co-founder of QueerTheology.com, which has reached more than a million people all over the world through videos, articles, and online courses and community. He was the founder and Artistic Director of Uprising Theatre Company in Minneapolis. Shannon is a recipient of the Playwrights’ Center Jerome Fellowship in 20/21 and he was a Lambda Literary Fellow for 2019 and a Finnovation Fellow for 2019/2020.
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Aug 22, 2022 • 1h 23min
The Making Of A Mystic: A Conversation With Kevin Sweeney
In this episode we chat with Kevin Sweeney.
Kevin Sweeney is co-founder and lead pastor of Imagine Church—an urban church in Honolulu that is welcoming of all people, sees imagination as the key to the future, chooses authenticity over performance, substance over hype, and quality over quantity.
He is the host of podcast “The Church Needs Therapy” and is the author of the forthcoming books, “The Making of a Mystic: My Journey with Mushrooms, My Life as a Pastor, and Why It’s Okay For Everyone to Relax,” out on May 31st, and “The Joy of Letting Go” which will be out in January 2023. Both on Quoir Publishing.
He lives In Honolulu with his wife and co-founder of Imagine, Christine, and their two kids, True and Mikayla.
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Aug 15, 2022 • 1h 14min
Silencing White Noise: A Conversation With Willie Dwayne Francois III
In this episode we chat with Willie Dwayne Francois III.
Willie Dwayne Francois III (DMin, Candler School of Theology) is senior pastor of Mount Zion Baptist Church in Pleasantville, New Jersey, and president of the Black Church Center for Justice and Equality. He serves as assistant professor of liberation theology at New York Theological Seminary and directs a master’s degree program at Sing Sing Correctional Facility. He created the Public Love Organizing and Training (PLOT) Project and has served in various organizations engaging racial justice issues, including the Atlantic City chapter of Black Lives Matter, the Samuel DeWitt Proctor Conference, and the NJ Department of State’s MLK Jr. Commission. Francois is an active speaker and has written for HuffPost, Sojourners, The Hill, the Christian Century, and Religion Dispatches. Willie's book Silencing White Noise: Six Practices to Overcome Our Inaction on Race will be released on 8/16/22.
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Aug 8, 2022 • 1h 9min
Sola Mysterium: A Conversation With Keith Giles
In this episode we chat with Keith Giles.
In this bonus episode we catch up with Keith Giles and all his goings on.
Keith is the author of several books, including: "Jesus Unbound: Liberating the Word of God from the Bible" and "Jesus Untangled: Crucifying Our Politics To Pledge Allegiance To The Lamb." Keith Latest book Sola Mysterium was released by Quoir on 6/28/22. Keith is the co-host of the Heretic Happy Hour Podcast. Keith also teaches several online courses including "Square 1: From Deconstruction to Reconstruction" and other courses based on his many books.
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Aug 1, 2022 • 1h 7min
My Seven Black Father: A Conversation With Will Jawando
In this episode we chat with Will Jawando.
Will Jawando is an attorney, an activist, a community leader and a councilmember in Montgomery County, Maryland, a diverse community of more than one million residents. Called “the progressive leader we need” by the late congressman John Lewis, Jawando has worked with Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senator Sherrod Brown and President Barack Obama. His writing has appeared in The Washington Post and The Root and on BET.com, and his work has been featured in The New York Times and New York magazine and on NPR, NBC News and MTV. He regularly appears on CNN, MSNBC and other media outlets. Will's book My Seven Black Fathers: A Young Activists Memoir of Race, Family, and the Mentors Who Made Him Whole was released on May 3, 2022.
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