
This Is Not Church Podcast
This Is Not Church podcast offers a compelling and thought-provoking exploration of the intersections between deconstruction, activism, spirituality, and the LGBTQIA+ community, as well as vital issues like Black Lives Matter and First Nations' rights. Hosted by passionate individuals who are dedicated to fostering open and inclusive conversations, this podcast delves into the complex journey of deconstructing one's faith, while simultaneously embracing and advocating for the rights and stories of the LGBTQIA+ community, as well as the fight for racial justice within the Black Lives Matter movement and the preservation of First Nations' cultures and rights. With a focus on examining the evolving landscapes of faith and identity, "This Is Not Church" provides a safe and informative space for listeners to engage with narratives of self-discovery, resilience, and transformation, ultimately encouraging a more empathetic and understanding society.
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Feb 20, 2023 • 1h 25min
Curveball: A Conversation With Pete Enns
This Quoircast Podcast episode is brought to you by The New Evangelicals: Pushing the Evangelical Church forward and to re-think how it approaches key cultural issues.
In this episode we chat with Pete Enns
Dr. Peter Enns (PhD, Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University, St. Davids, PA. He has taught courses at several other institutions including Harvard University, Fuller Theological Seminary, and Princeton Theological Seminary. Enns is a frequent contributor to journals and encyclopedias, and is the author of several books, including, The Bible Tells Me So: Why Defending Scripture Has Made Us Unable to Read It, The Bible and the Believer: How to Read the Bible Critically and Religiously, Inspiration and Incarnation: Evangelicals and The Problem of the Old Testament, and The Evolution of Adam: What the Bible Does and Doesn't Say about Human Origins. Pete's latest book Curveball: When Your Faith Takes Turns You Never Saw Coming (Or How I Stumbled And Tripped My Way To Finding A Bigger God) was released Feb 7, 2024
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Feb 13, 2023 • 1h 6min
Permission To Offend: A Conversation With Rachel Luna
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In this episode we chat with Rachel Luna
As a best selling author, former U.S. Marine, Certified Professional Life & Business Coach and founder of The Confident Entrepreneur Academy, Rachel Luna teaches women to get clear, confident and take consistent action, so they can do that big thing they were born to do. Her best selling book, Successful People are Full of C.R.A.P.: A Step-by-Step Guide to Getting it Together and Achieving Your Dreams is based on her work helping thousands of women actively create their best lives. Her latest book Permission To Offend was released by HarperOne Feb. 7th, 2023
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Feb 6, 2023 • 1h 12min
Stepping Into It: A Conversation With Bethany Cseh
This Quoircast Podcast episode is brought to you by Returning To Eden: A Field Guide For The Spiritual Journey by Heather Hamilton. The book releases Feb. 22, 2023, but is available for pre-order now.
In this episode we chat with Bethany Cseh
Bethany grew up in a Christian family and met Jason in college at Hume Lake. They married in 2001 and helped plant Catalyst in 2006. It was during that time she discovered her love for preaching and teaching the Word of God while discipling those Jesus keeps bringing her way. She is mom to Isaac, Emily, and Antonio. She's an avid runner, is a foster and adoptive parent, loves Jesus and people, and enjoys spending time at the river. She is currently working towards her Masters of Divinity at Claremont School of Theology. Bethany has written two books - Stepping Into Advent and Stepping Into Lent. She is currently working on a third book.
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Jan 30, 2023 • 1h 20min
Falling Upward: A Conversation With Noel Sanger
This Quoircast Podcast episode is brought to you by Apostates Anonymous - the show you turn to when you can no longer call yourself an Evangelical.
In this episode we chat with Noel Sanger
Noel Sanger may have flown mostly under the mainstream radar, but he has cultivated a rich musical history along the way. Releasing on some of dance music’s top labels, with a recent focus on his own Dissident Music imprint, Noel’s productions make regular appearances in Beatport’s top ten genre charts, and see support from the world’s top DJs. Over the years, his work has been heard on labels such as Black Hole, Spinnin’, Armada, Perfecto, High Contrast, Lost Language, Coldharbour, Mute, Dissident and dozens more. He has remixed and worked with artists like Erasure, Nadia Ali, John Taylor of Duran Duran, Matt Darey, Soul In The Machine (with Twin Peaks star Chrysta Bell), and Markus Schulz. Evolving to deeper sounds, Noel’s label, Dissident Music, was first launched in 2007 and produced a number of hits throughout the ensuing 7 years. Recently relaunched as part of Miami’s Essential Media Group, Dissident has gone from strength to strength, with nearly a dozen Beatport top ten chart showings in as many months. As a DJ, this one-time Tiesto tour-mate has manned the booth at some of the world’s best clubs and festivals, sharing the stage with some of electronic music’s top names. It isn’t always the case that after this many years, an underground artist remains as creative and relevant as Noel has. But between his productions, his label, and his expertise behind the decks, Noel is proving without question that the best is yet to come.
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Jan 23, 2023 • 1h 1min
Permanent Smoke & The Wild Bunch: A ConversationWith Darrell Epp
This Quoircast Podcast episode is brought to you by The Messy Spirituality Podcast who is all about finding God in unexpected places.
In this episode we chat with Darrell Epp
Darrell Epp's poetry has appeared in over 100 magazines on 6 continents. he's performed readings and conducted writer's workshops across the UK, USA, and Canada. Permanent smoke is his fifth poetry collection. Darrell's latest book Permanent Smoke was released October 2022 by Quoir. He lives by the western tip of lake ontario.
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Jan 16, 2023 • 1h 5min
Building The Church As A Family: A Conversation With Gary Grant
This Quoircast Podcast episode is brought to you by the Quoir book The Joy Of Letting Go: How One Thing Has The Power To Change Everything by Kevin Sweeney
In this episode we chat with Gary Grant
Born in Harare, Zimbabwe and educated in South Africa it was at age of seventeen in the midst of a revival movement in the 1980's that Gary encountered God. As a result the miraculous power of God has been a constant throughout his adult life shaping Gary into who is today. In
1994 Gary along with his family immigrated to Australia with a passion to establish strong communities of faith.
Gary alongside his wife Debbie are currently the senior leaders of the Friends First community in Melbourne. They have travelled extensively preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom message in Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Sri Lanka, South Korea and India. They have two grown children; Joel married to Lana and David married to Dahna, and now a beautiful grand-daughter Emily.
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Jan 9, 2023 • 1h 7min
Kissing With Eyes Wide Open: A Conversation With Kendana Kay
This Quoircast Podcast episode is brought to you by Returning To Eden: A Field Guide For The Spiritual Journey. The book will be available 2/22/23
In this episode we chat with Kendana Kay
Kendana Kay is a relationship coach who facilitates breakthroughs for those exhausted and disappointed from not experiencing the relational joy they crave. She is a veteran worship leader, musician, and licensed minister. Kendana has earned certifications in Elijah House and Theophostics inner healing modalities, as a Health Coach, and as a John Maxwell Team speaker, trainer, and coach. She is the mother of 10 children and has been homeschooling for over 35 years. Her husband of 38 years, Johnny, passed away in 2021. Kendana lives in Olathe, Kansas where she continues to homeschool her two youngest children.
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Jan 2, 2023 • 1h 6min
The Second Annual Year In Review: With Jon & Nat Turney
This Quoircast Podcast episode is brought to you by The New Evangelicals: Pushing the Evangelical Church forward and to re-think how it approaches key cultural issues.
In this episode we chat about this past year.
No bio this time. You get to hear from Nat and Jon about this past year. They chat about past guests, life, and the challenges that arose in the past year. They also look forward into the coming year and talk about exciting things on the horizon.
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Dec 26, 2022 • 49min
Out Of The Embers: A Conversation With Brad Jersak
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In this episode we chat with Brad Jersak
Brad Jersak is an author and teacher based in Abbotsford, BC. He currently serves as the Dean of Theology & Culture at St. Stephen’s University in New Brunswick and teaches peace studies courses with Institute For Religion, Peace, and Justice and is a regular speaker with the Open Table Conference crew. He writes regularly for the Clarion Journal and CRW Magazine. Through his books and seminars, Brad shares the good news that God is Love, perfectly revealed in Jesus Christ, and that God’s love heals wounded hearts and empowers us to heal this broken world. Brad's books include A More Christlike God, A More Christlike Way, A More Christlike Word, and his latest book Out Of The Embers.
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Dec 19, 2022 • 1h 8min
Unapologetically Alison: A Conversation With Alison Fabricius
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In this episode we chat with Alison Fabricius
Alison assists over-performing post-millennials to gather and own their scattered souls by helping them to understand that another’s story of them is not theirs. As a trusted guide from the trenches, she helps them to face institutions, authority figures and power dynamics in order to realize that what they have to offer is just what the world needs. She does this through her books, speaking and corporate consulting. When she’s not teaching, she can be found crocheting, reading, or randomly dying her hair (a subtle sign of a war well-fought). Alison's book Unapologetically Alison: Because Their Version Of Her Had To Go was released Nov. 2022
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