
This Is Not Church Podcast
This Is Not Church podcast offers a compelling and thought-provoking exploration of the intersections between deconstruction, activism, spirituality, and the LGBTQIA+ community, as well as vital issues like Black Lives Matter and First Nations' rights. Hosted by passionate individuals who are dedicated to fostering open and inclusive conversations, this podcast delves into the complex journey of deconstructing one's faith, while simultaneously embracing and advocating for the rights and stories of the LGBTQIA+ community, as well as the fight for racial justice within the Black Lives Matter movement and the preservation of First Nations' cultures and rights. With a focus on examining the evolving landscapes of faith and identity, "This Is Not Church" provides a safe and informative space for listeners to engage with narratives of self-discovery, resilience, and transformation, ultimately encouraging a more empathetic and understanding society.
Latest episodes

Oct 16, 2023 • 1h 6min
Seeing And Believing: A Conversation With Ellen T. Armour
This Quoircast episode is brought to you by Holy Heretic. We seek to foster honest conversations about the state of religion in the 21st centuryIn this episode we chat with Ellen T. ArmourEllen T. Armour is Professor and E. Rhodes and Leona B. Carpenter Chair of Feminist Theology at Vanderbilt Divinity School where she directs the Carpenter Program in Religion, Gender and Sexuality. Her research interests include theology, social media, and visual culture, race, gender, and sexuality studies, and contemporary continental philosophy.You can follow Ellen on:Facebook Instagram You can find all things Ellen Armour related on her Vanderbilt websiteYou can purchase Seeing and Believing : Religion, Digital Visual Culture, and Social Justice on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram Twitter TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Linktree for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest The New Evangelicals Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly FaithJonathan Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our StoriesEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

Oct 11, 2023 • 1h 11min
October Rebroadcast: Free Mom Hugs: An LGBTQIA+ Affirming Conversation with Sara Cunningham
This Quoircast episode is brought to you by The Seeds of De(con)struction by Nat Turney. The book is published by Quoir and available now. In this episode we chat with Sara Cunningham.Sara Cunningham is an author, activist, and founder of the non-profit organization Free Mom Hugs. Her journey is a surprising one that began in conservative Oklahoma, when her son, Parker, came out as gay. As a woman of faith, Sara wrestled with the news until she began to study, research, and reconcile the two worlds. This journey resulted in her book How We Sleep at Night. She found herself on a journey “from the church to the Pride parade,” falling in love with the LGBTQIA+ community. In the wake of beautiful glitter-covered hugs and heart-breaking horror stories, the mission of Free Mom Hugs began. Simple acts of love and acceptance turned into a viral sensation, and Sara knew she had the opportunity to lead impactful changeYou can follow Sara on:Facebook Twitter InstagramCheck out Free Mom Hugs at their websiteYou can purchase Sara's book at Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram Twitter TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Linktree for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest The New Evangelicals Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly FaithJonathan Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our StoriesEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

Oct 9, 2023 • 1h 35min
The God Of Monkey Science: A Conversation With Janet Kellogg
This Quoircast episode is brought to you by Snarky Faith. Your irreverent guide to navigating the maze of life, culture, and spirituality.In this episode we chat with Janet Kellogg RayJanet Ray is an enthusiastic science communicator. She blogs at JanetKRay.com and on Facebook, focusing on contemporary issues in science, culture, and faith - and she loves the perfect storm of all three at once! Janet holds a Ph.D. in curriculum and instruction, with eighteen years of university science teaching, both biology majors and non-majors.You can follow Janet on:Facebook Twitter InstagramYou can purcahse The God of Monkey Science on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram Twitter TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Linktree for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest The New Evangelicals Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly FaithJonathan Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our StoriesEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

Oct 4, 2023 • 60min
October Rebroadcast: Theosis And The Four Paths: A Conversation with Alexander John Shaia
Thie quoircast episode is brought to you by The Seeds of De(con)struction by Nat Turney. It is published by Quoir and is available now.In this episode we talk with Alexander John Shaia.Born and raised in Birmingham, Alabama, Alexander John was part of a large extended family that had emigrated from Lebanon a generation previously. He grew up immersed in the ancient traditions of Middle Eastern Christianity (Maronite Catholicism) and was expected to become a priest, a family tradition since the year 1300. He was led otherwise. Alexander John attended the University of Notre Dame and received a degree in Cultural Anthropology. Next came a brief time in seminary followed by a Master’s in Counseling Education, a Master’s in Religious Education, a graduate certificate in Pastoral Psychotherapy, and a Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology. His extensive psychological training across many modalities finally led him to Switzerland where he studied with the Jungian Analyst and founder of Sandplay Psychotherapy, Dora Maria Kalff. Alexander John became the first US man admitted to the International Society for Sandplay Therapy and continues to serve as a senior Certified Teaching Member of the organization. Returning to the United States, he undertook years of private practice, teaching, parish and retreat ministry and further study. Integrating his life-long practice of prayer with many cross-disciplines—anthropology, psychology, spirituality, and ritual work—has shaped him into a unique thought-leader and a widely sought consultant, trainer, and inspiring keynote speaker. Then in 2000, Alexander John’s professional life expanded from being primarily a speaker to also that of an author, now with some eight books and more in the works. He lives in the high Rocky Mountains in Northern New Mexico and the wild Atlantic coast of Northwest Spain. A perfect day finds him in the presence of ancient trees, massive stones, his dog and a book of poetry.You can Follow Alexander John Shaia on:Facebook Twitter InstagramYou can find all things Alexander John Shaia relayed on his websiteYou can purchase Alexander's books on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram Twitter TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Linktree for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest The New Evangelicals Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly FaithJonathan Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our StoriesEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

Oct 2, 2023 • 1h 2min
Let You Heartbreak Be Your Guide: A Conversation With Adam Bucko
This Quoircast episode is brought to you by Reframing Our Stories Podcast. Stories shape who we are and they hold a lot of power.In this episode we chat with Adam Bucko.ather Adam Bucko is an Episcopal priest, spiritual director and activist who has been a committed voice in the movement for the renewal of Christian Contemplative Spirituality and the growing New Monastic movement. He has taught engaged contemplative spirituality in Europe and the United States, and has authored Let Your Heartbreak be Your Guide: Lessons in Engaged Contemplation and co-authored Occupy Spirituality: A Radical Vision for a New Generation, and The New Monasticism: An Interspiritual Manifesto for Contemplative Living. Committed to an integration of contemplation and just practice, he cofounded an award-winning non-profit, the Reciprocity Foundation, where he spent 15 years working with homeless youth living on the streets of New York City, providing spiritual care, developing programs to end youth homelessness, and articulating a vision for spiritual mentoring in a post-religious world. He currently serves as a director of The Center for Spiritual Imagination at the Cathedral of the Incarnation in New York, and is a member of “The Community of the Incarnation,” a ‘new monastic’ community dedicated to democratizing the gifts of monastic spirituality and teaching contemplative spirituality, in the context of hearing and responding to the cry of the poor and the cry of the earth. Adam lives in New York with his wife, Kaira Jewel Lingo, a Buddhist teacher and former nun in the community of Thich Nhat Hanh. Together they lead The Buddhist-Christian Community for Meditation and Action.You can follow Adam on:Facebook Instagram TwitterYou can find all things Adam Bucko on his websiteYou can buy Adam's book Let You Heartbreak be Your Guide on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram Twitter TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Linktree for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest The New Evangelicals Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly FaithJonathan Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our StoriesEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

Sep 27, 2023 • 1h 16min
September Rebroadcast: Grace Upon Grace: A Conversation With Wm Paul Young
This Quoircast Podcast episode is brought to you by Apostates Anonymous - the show you turn to when you can no longer call yourself an Evangelical.In this episode we chat with Wm Paul YoungWm Paul Young, is a Canadian author. He wrote the novels The Shack, Cross Roads, Eve , and the non-fiction book Lies We Believe About God. Paul also co-authored the recent release The Pastor: A Crisis With Brad Jersak. You can connect With Paul Young on:Facebook Twitter InstagramYou can order all of Paul's books on Amazon.comYou can find all things Wm Paul Young related on his website.You can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram Twitter TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Linktree for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest The New Evangelicals Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly FaithJonathan Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our StoriesEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

Sep 25, 2023 • 1h 42min
Love Comes Back Around: A Conversation With Jennifer Knapp
This Quoircast episode is brought to you by Deadly Faith Podcast: a true crime podcast that explores the world where religion and crime collide.In this episode we chat with Jennifer KnappJennifer Knapp is a Grammy-nominated singer-songwriter, author, speaker and advocate. Her impressive history includes selling over one million albums with her first three releases Kansas (debut 1998, Gold-certified), Lay It Down (2000), and The Way I Am (2001). She has earned four Dove Awards and two Grammy nominations. The Kansas-born musician has toured the globe with artists such as Jars of Clay and was featured on the Lilith Fair Tour in 1999 and 2010. Knapp received critical acclaim for her human approach to the divine, with The Los Angeles Times calling her “a rising star” and People Magazine describing her as “an uncommonly literate songwriter.” With a considerable fan base and critical and commercial success, Knapp walked away from music in 2002 at the height of her career. After a seven-year hiatus she returned in 2010 with a renewed passion for music showcased in her album Letting Go, which debuted at No. 73 on the Billboard Hot 200 Chart. Set Me Free followed in 2014 on Righteous Babe Records in conjunction with a memoir, Facing the Music: My Story, published by Simon & Schuster. Her 2017 album Love Comes Back Around, produced by Viktor Krauss, pairs her fearless songwriting and strong, expressive voice with Americana style rootsy arrangements. As the first major artist in the Christian music world to speak openly about LGBTQ identity, her unique position created opportunities for national dialogue, including appearances on Larry King Live and the TEDx stage. In 2012 Knapp founded the non-profit organization Inside Out Faith, through which she continues to speak and perform nationally as an advocate for LGBTQ & faith issues.You can follow Jennifer on:Facebook Twitter Instagram TikTok YouTubeYou can find all things Jennifer Knapp related on her websiteYou can purchase Jennifer's book Facing the Music and her music at her online storeYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram Twitter TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Linktree for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest The New Evangelicals Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly FaithJonathan Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our StoriesEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

Sep 20, 2023 • 1h 28min
September Rebroadcast: Unlocking The True Nature Of God With C. Baxter Kruger
The Quoircast podcast is brought to you by The Seeds of De(con)struction by Nat Turney. The book is published by Quoir and is available now.In this episode we chat with C. Baxter KrugerC. Baxter Kruger, Ph.D. is a Trinitarian scholar and the Director of Perichoresis Ministries, an international ministry proclaiming gospel of the Triune God. A life-long student of psychology, he has a degree in political science, and his Doctor of Philosophy from Kings College, Aberdeen, Scotland. He is the author of nine books including the international bestseller, The Shack Revisited, and recently Patmos. Baxter and his wife Beth have been married for 34 years and have four children, and one granddaughter. He teaches around the world.You can follow Baxter on:Facebook Twitter InstagramYou can find all things C. Baxter Kruger on his website.You can purchase all of C. Baxter Kruger's book an Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram Twitter TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Linktree for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest The New Evangelicals Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly FaithJonathan Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our StoriesEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

Sep 18, 2023 • 57min
More Than I Imagined: A Conversation With John Blake
This Quoircast episode is brought to you by There Once Were Orange Groves by David Giles. The book is published by Quoir and is available on 9/19/23In this episode we chat with John BlakeJohn Blake is an award-winning journalist at CNN.com, the online site for CNN. He is also the author of “More Than I Imagined: What a Black Man Discovered About the White Mother He Never Knew.” He has been honored by the Associated Press, the Society of Professional Journalists, the American Academy of Religion, the National Association of Black Journalists, the Religion Communicators Council and with the GLAAD Media Award. He was most recently the winner of the 2019 Sigma Delta Chi awards for Excellence in Journalism for his online columns on race and politics. His 2020 essay, “There’s One Epidemic We May Never Find a Cure For: Fear of Black Men in Public Spaces,” was recently selected by Bustle Digital Group as one of the 11 best essays on racism and police violence. The other authors on that list included Ta-Nehisi Coates, Ibram X. Kendi, and Roxane Gay. Blake’s first book, “Children of the Movement,” was a finalist for the 2005 NAACP Image Awards in the Outstanding Literary Work Non-Fiction category and a finalist for the Gustavus Myers Outstanding Book Awards. He has spoken at high schools, colleges, symposiums and in documentaries about topics such as race, religion and politics. Blake is a native of Baltimore, Maryland and a graduate of Howard University.You can follow John on:Facebook Twitter You can find all things John Blake related on his websiteYou can purchase John Blake's book on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram Twitter TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Linktree for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest The New Evangelicals Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly Faith Jonathan Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our StoriesEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

Sep 13, 2023 • 59min
September Rebroadcast: Eternal Relationships: With Wm Paul Young
This Quoircast episode is brought to you by - The Seeds of De(con)struction by Nat Turney. It is published by Quoir and is available now.In this episode we get the honor to once again chat with Wm Paul Young.Wm Paul Young, is a Canadian author. He wrote the novels The Shack, Cross Roads, Eve , and the non-fiction book Lies We Believe About God. Paul also co-authored the recent release The Pastor: A Crisis With Brad Jersak.You can follow Paul on:Facebook Instagram PinterestYou can find all things Paul Young on his websiteYou can order all of Paul Young's books on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram Twitter TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Linktree for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest The New Evangelicals Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly Faith Jonathan Foster Sacred ThoughtsEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!