
Emerge: Making Sense of What's Next
A podcast based inquiry into the next phase of the human experiment.
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May 18, 2023 • 1h 11min
John Vervaeke, Zak Stein, Nora Bateson - What is Transformation? [RSPND Network]
John Vervaeke, Zak Stein, and Nora Bateson discuss transformation and its complex, cross-domain dimensionality. This episode addresses topics such as how does transformation take place and in what contexts? How does western culture misunderstand transformation? How is transformation naturally interwoven within the larger narrative of our lives?
This conversation is brought to us by the Respond Network (https://rspnd.network). The Respond network is an initiative to address the meta-crisis by researching and cultivating wisdom. Respond is a network of researchers and practitioners who develop and deploy ecologies of practices (EoP) for personal and systemic transformation.
0:00:00 - Introduction, the Respond Network, Patreon
0:03:41 - Transformation Dimensionality
0:09:05 - Consequences of Transformation
0:13:13 - Transformation is not Chosen
0:19:11 - Virtue in Response to Fate
0:24:28 - Transformation is Ecological
0:29:41 - Re-Humanization of Transformational Spaces
0:32:05 - Necessary Tension within the Mythology of Hero
0:41:41 - Shifts in Intergenerational Transmission
0:44:08 - Ecology of Communication
0:50:58 - Necessity of Cultural Cognitive Grammar
0:53:20 - The Contextuality & Transferability of Transformation
1:08:23 - How Skills are Interwoven & Transferable
Support Daniel on Patreon

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Apr 24, 2023 • 1h 37min
Zak Stein - AI Tutor Apocalypse
Zak Stein and Daniel Thorson discuss the myriad risks of emerging AI tutoring technologies. AI tutoring is being developed now and will be deployed over the course of the next two to five years, bringing radical changes to our educational systems. This conversation explores the risks of this emerging technology while simultaneously proposing how, if designed correctly, this technology could solve the meta-crisis.
Timestamp
0:00 - Intro
5:20 - Shift in Awareness of AI
10:08 - GAI Risk
15:51 - AI Alignment & Human Alignment
17:18 - Risks of Generalized Nature of AI
19:08 - Accelerating Misaligned Institutions
20:26 - AI Assistance & Anthropomorphism
25:35 - Instantaneous Media Interfacing
29:48 - AI Tutoring Risk
38:44 - Obsoleting Human Relationship
41:52 - AI Perfecting Propaganda
43:22 - Humanity's Educational Relationship
46:21 - Breaking the Human Nervous System
50:14 - AI Tutoring Risk Continued
55:17 - Building Aligned AI Tutoring Technology
59:56 - Importance of Non-Anthropomorphizable AI
1:02:10 - Irreducibility of Human Goodness
1:04:42 - The Limits of Computationalism
1:07:10 - AI Tutoring Guardrails
1:11:44 - Implementation of AI Tutoring Technology
1:17:36 - AI Planetary Tutoring System
1:21:59 - Solving the Meta-Crisis with AI Planetary Tutoring
1:25:06 - The Emergence of the New Human
1:29:18 - Right Relationship with Emerging AI Technology
1:35:18 - Conclusion
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Aug 6, 2022 • 1h 21min
David Sauvage - The Future of Collective Decision-Making
A conversation about how emergence can be the foundation a new society. We talk about how societies can create containers for healthy decision making. And how sacred containers can allow for the emergence of the planetary movement we’re longing for.
David Sauvage asks, how do we create the more beautiful world our hearts know is possible? In my first episode after returning from the Emerge gathering in Austin, we discuss the future of collective decision-making, reflect on our shared past with Occupy Wallstreet, and consider the role of participatory democracy in what is emerging. David puts preliminary words to a vision originating from the gathering this summer.
https://www.davidsauvage.com
[00:00:00] Introducing David
[00:05:24] David’s Vision from the Emerge gathering.
[00:10:35] Occupy Wallstreet
[00:29:30] The future of politics.
[00:44:55] The Third Attractor.

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Jun 15, 2022 • 1h 30min
Gary Sheng - To Actualize Game B, Empower Gen Z
Gary Sheng is a US-based technologist and civic entrepreneur dedicated to building tools, systems, and movements that accelerate human and planetary flourishing. He was recognized by Forbes 30 Under 30 for his work building Civics Unplugged.
In this conversation we offer some friendly critiques of the emerging network and discuss how we can empower the next generation to actualize Game B.
https://www.garysheng.com
[0:00:00] Introducing Gary
[0:16:40] Civics Unplugged
[0:21:05] Dream DAO
[0:39:11] Gary’s view of the emerging network from the outside in.

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Jun 13, 2022 • 1h 47min
Steve March - An Integrated Ecology of Practice for the Meta-Crisis
Steve March is the creator of an integrated ecology of practice and founder of Aletheia Coaching. In this episode we get into the history of coaching, depth and the fourth generation of coaching, going from self-improvement to self-unfoldment, Heidegger’s view on technology and attunement, depth ontology, eclecticism to integration, parts conflict in ecologies of practice, four depths of self-contact, internal family systems.
Aletheia Coaching: https://integralunfoldment.com
Steve's Paper on the Neuroscience of Transformation: https://libraryofprofessionalcoaching.com/research/brain-behavior/the-neuroscience-of-enduring-transformation/
[0:02:36] Introducing Steve
[0:09:00] First, Second, Third Generation Coaching
[0:13:43] Aletheia and the Fourth Generation of Coaching
[0:18:10] What if we are already whole?
[0:18:47] Reservations about the term “coaching”
[0:20:38] Exploring Unfoldment
[0:24:57] Technological Attunement and Poetic Attunement
[0:44:53] Invoking Poetic Attunement
[0:53:20] Deeping eclecticism into integration
[1:37:00] Scaling Psychotechnologies

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May 23, 2022 • 1h 58min
Sean Wilkinson - Circling, Meditation & Trauma
Circling Europe co-founder Sean Wilkinson and I explore what it's like to practice across paradigms, the limits and transformational potential of circling, and the interplay between mediation, circling, and trauma work. Sean shares from his experience about the problems with static orientations to practice, subtle grasping to personal growth, and the orientation of trust.
Sean Wilkinson is a Circling Europe co-founder with an enduring passion for self-awareness, human potential, wisdom traditions and an ongoing inquiry into life. His focus includes extensive academic research, spiritual and psychological practice, coaching, and therapeutic training.
[0:02:53] Introducing Sean
[0:06:00] What is at the edge of meditation, circling, and trauma work?
[0:10:00] Discovering the limits of circling
[0:16:55] Exhausting an Orientation to Practice
[0:33:50] Scale Invariance
[0:39:10] Eclecticism to Integration
[0:49:10] The Orientation of Trust
[1:05:10] The Feeling Process
[1:25:20] A short guided meditation
[1:41:20] Metamodernism and the Meta-Crisis (mesa crisis?)
[1:42:42] The Paradigm of Leadership
If you'd like to explore the practice of Circling MAPLE is hosting the SAS 6-month Circling Training starting in June.

Apr 14, 2022 • 1h 15min
Circling & Soulmaking with Ellen McSweeney & Daniel Thorson
In this episode fellow Monastic Academy resident Ellen McSweeney and I explore the relationship between Circling and Soulmaking in an attempt to make sense of the experience we shared co-facilitating the Anti-Fragile Heart retreat in March. Towards the end there is a Q+A with retreat participants.
If you'd like to explore the practice of Circling MAPLE is hosting the SAS 6-month Circling Training starting in June.
This conversation was recorded in the meditation hall at the Monastic Academy, and the audio is a little wonky...

Dec 4, 2021 • 1h 50min
Mark Feenstra - Renormaling: Fractal Harmony in Action
In this episode Mark Feenstra guides me through his 'accompanying' process. This process, which Mark has developed after 25 years of experimentation, is something like a systems collapse aware mixture of Circling, Internal Family Systems, and Imaginal practice...but really it's totally unique (and very potent!).
Mark is offering a workshop on this approach on December 11th/12th. If you'd like to join you can click here:
https://public.3.basecamp.com/p/3domHkJiNhPctmd6zboebQhb

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Oct 12, 2021 • 1h 16min
Layman Pascal - Spiritual Practice as Harmonization
Layman Pascal is an author, speaker, and body-mind-soul at large in the Integral and Metamodern scenes.
In this episode we dive into Layman's 'integration surplus' model of spiritual practice. This model offers an integrative lens through which to view all transformative practices. Through my work at the Monastic Academy I developed a startlingly similar 'harmonization model' of spiritual practice, which forms the conceptual basis of the curriculum for the Willow Intensive. You can learn more about that in this companion episode with John Vervaeke. In this conversation with Layman we explore some of the deeper ramifications and affordances of this way of looking at transformative practice.
If you'd like to explore this way of approaching practice more deeply we are offering two online courses:
October 19 - November 9 at 11:30 a.m. ET: Intro to Harmonization: A New Ecology of Practices
Register: https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/intro-to-harmonization-a-new-ecology-of-practices-tickets-182786668847
October 22 - November 12 at 6:00 p.m. ET: Jade Method Meditation Course
Register: https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/jade-method-meditation-course-tickets-182814672607
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In this conversation Layman and I speak about:
- How the harmony model arose out of Layman’s spiritual & philosophical practice
- That all spiritual practices can be framed in terms of harmonization, and why that is so significant
- Why it’s important that this model is ‘ontologically agnostic’
- The common confusion between harmony and unison
- The role of meeting conflict in order to reveal a deeper harmony
- The four fundamental proto-skills to help us harmonize any system
- How super abundant harmony can help us identify what is valuable and good in any context
- The value and limitation of awakening, and why it can sometimes lead to unskillful behavior

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Oct 12, 2021 • 1h 29min
Harmonizing to Emerge with John Vervaeke
John Vervaeke speaks with Seishin and myself about the ecology of practices we are exploring in the Willow Intensive. This was originally recorded on The Stoa.
This episode includes a brief overview of the Harmony model and the five aspects we've been training to harmonize. We discuss the obstacles and opportunities of birthing a new kind of wisdom institution in the modern world, and the necessity of having an ecology of practices to adequately transform the human mind during a time of planetary crisis (and much more). The conversation ends with a Q&A.
We are offering two online courses for those who would like to explore these practices more deeply:
October 19 - November 9 at 11:30 a.m. ET: Intro to Harmonization: A New Ecology of Practices
Register: https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/intro-to-harmonization-a-new-ecology-of-practices-tickets-182786668847
October 22 - November 12 at 6:00 p.m. ET: Jade Method Meditation Course
Register: https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/jade-method-meditation-course-tickets-182814672607
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