

F-Stop Collaborate and Listen
Matt Payne
This photography podcast takes you well beyond camera gear each week with weekly interviews and panel discussions with professional photographers, industry insiders, enthusiasts, and hobbyists alike. Our candid but laid-back conversations deeply explore the craft of photography and psychological drivers relating to creativity, motivation, inspiration, and workflow. We also discuss social media, photography business practices, marketing, sales, and hot topics impacting photographers from all genres, with a particular focus on landscape, nature, and wildlife photography. The show is hosted by Matt Payne, a professional full-time nature photographer and the co-founder of the internationally renowned photography competition, the Natural Landscape Photography Awards. Matt is also a mountaineer, climbing the highest 100 mountains in Colorado. Matt leverages skills he gained in pursuit of his Master’s Degree in Clinical Psychology to dig deeply into the hearts and minds of his passionate guests, revealing secrets and inspiration in every episode.
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Apr 3, 2023 • 1h 10min
311: Matt Oliver - Landscape Photography from the UK Peak District
Living close to our favorite photography destinations is a luxury that not everyone can afford; however, it has become a big part of my success in my own photography and I know it contributes to the success of others' work as well. Our relationship to place and how that connection fuels us and energizes our creativity can have a huge impact on the quality of our work.
This week I had the pleasure of speaking to United Kingdom photographer, Matt Oliver. Matt makes his living as a commercial photographer but his true passion lies in landscape and nature photography. I have always been a big fan of his quiet work from the Peak District in the United Kingdom, so I was excited to talk to him about his connection to that place and how it was forged.
On this week's episode, we discuss:
How Matt got into photography.
How Matt juggles his commercial photography with his landscape photography.
How important it has been for Matt to live close to the Peak District.
Advice for photographers that don't live close to their favorite areas.
The role of curiosity in Matt's photography.
The role of style in Matt's photography.
Chasing the light versus photographing smaller scenes.
What to do when the conditions are not ideal.
The impact of AI on Matt's commercial photography.
The differences between the UK and the USA in terms of how photography is monetized.
And a lot more!
Other topics/links discussed on the podcast this week:
Support the podcast on Patreon.
Matt's commercial photography site.
My article on NPN about AI and photography.
Join me over on Nature Photographer's Network and use the code "FSTOP10" for a 10% discount!
Natural Landscape Photography Awards.
Here is who Matt recommended on the podcast this week:
Angelo Jesus.
Vanda Ralevska.
Lizzie Shepherd.
I love hearing from the podcast listeners! Reach out to me via Instagram, Facebook, or Twitter if you'd like to be on the podcast or if you have an idea of a topic we can talk about. We also have an Instagram page, a Facebook Page, and a Facebook Group - so don't be shy!
We also have a searchable transcript of every episode!
Thanks for stopping in, collaborating with us, and listening. See you next week.
P.S. you can also support the podcast by purchasing items through our B+H affiliate link.
Scroll down to see more of Matt's photography.

Mar 27, 2023 • 1h 20min
310: Julien Parrot - How Moving to a New Country Changed My Photography
Moving to a new country can be an incredibly daunting proposition, especially in the current geo-political environment; however, it can also open up doors to new experiences, cultures, and landscapes.
This week I had the pleasure of speaking with Julien Parrot - a photographer from France now living in Australia. Julien and I talked about how moving to a new country has completely changed his outlook and approach to photography.
On this week's episode, we discuss:
How Julien got into photography.
How moving to a new country has re-shaped his photography.
How he has adapted to living abroad as a photographer.
How not doubting his photographer stunted his growth as an artist.
How confidence can be a double-edged sword.
How to objectively critique our own work.
How photography competitions have helped him in his growth as a photographer.
His approach to photographing fireflies.
And a lot more!
Other topics/links discussed on the podcast this week:
Support the podcast on Patreon.
Join me over on Nature Photographer's Network and use the code "FSTOP10" for a 10% discount!
Natural Landscape Photography Awards.
Here is who Julien recommended on the podcast this week:
Michael Ciccone.
Anton Gorlin.
Sylvain Lepoutre.
I love hearing from the podcast listeners! Reach out to me via Instagram, Facebook, or Twitter if you'd like to be on the podcast or if you have an idea of a topic we can talk about. We also have an Instagram page, a Facebook Page, and a Facebook Group - so don't be shy!
We also have a searchable transcript of every episode!
Thanks for stopping in, collaborating with us, and listening. See you next week.
P.S. you can also support the podcast by purchasing items through our B+H affiliate link.

Mar 20, 2023 • 1h 20min
309: Viktoria Haack - Why Generalists Triumph in Photography
Most photographers are given the advice to specialize in something in order to make it as a photographer. On the surface, this seems to make sense as it allows one to become an expert and to become known for one thing; however, it might not be the best advice to follow, especially if you live in a smaller town.
This week I had the pleasure of speaking with Viktoria Haack - a photographer living in Salmon Arm, British Columbia. Viktoria has chosen not to specialize in any one form of photography and has instead chosen to see herself as a generalist, which has done wonders for her photography career.
On this week's episode of the F-Stop Collaborate and Listen Podcast, we discuss:
How Viktoria fell in love with photography while living on a 300-acre island for ten years.
How living on an island helped Viktoria hone in on what types of subjects interest her as a photographer.
How social media has played a role in her progression as a photographer.
How Viktoria uses social media now to advance her business offerings.
How Viktoria has chosen to be a generalist and how that has worked for her.
How photographing people has helped Viktoria round out her business.
The idea of gardening not architecture.
Why Generalists Triumph in a Specialized World.
Viktoria's approach to making photographs.
And a lot more!
Other topics/links discussed on the podcast this week:
Viktoria's workshop offerings.
Support the podcast on Patreon.
Join me over on Nature Photographer's Network and use the code "FSTOP10" for a 10% discount!
Natural Landscape Photography Awards.
Here is who Viktoria recommended on the podcast this week:
Jo Stephen.
Monika Deviat.
Hans Gunnar Aslaksen.
I love hearing from the podcast listeners! Reach out to me via Instagram, Facebook, or Twitter if you'd like to be on the podcast or if you have an idea of a topic we can talk about. We also have an Instagram page, a Facebook Page, and a Facebook Group - so don't be shy!
We also have a searchable transcript of every episode!
Thanks for stopping in, collaborating with us, and listening. See you next week.
P.S. you can also support the podcast by purchasing items through our B+H affiliate link.

Mar 13, 2023 • 1h 21min
308: Shane Turgeon - How Nature Photography Saved My Life
It is no secret that spending time in nature is good for your mental health. Time and time again, through conversations on my podcast, I learn about the role that nature photography has played in helping people battle depression, anxiety, and life's challenges.
This week I had an amazing time talking about photography with Shane Turgeon, who credits his discovery of nature photography for saving his life. Learn about Shane's journey into photography and the steps he took to leverage it to improve his personal outcomes after a series of unfortunate life events left him reeling.
On this week's episode, we discuss:
How Shane discovered his passion for photography.
How nature photography saved Shane's life.
How others who are struggling with mental health challenges can leverage nature photography to improve their mental health.
How curiosity plays a central role in curating personal happiness.
Shane's strategies for staying happy as a photographer.
How bringing his dog with him on his photography trips makes them more enjoyable.
The Light Chasers Photography Conference that Shane has created in Canada.
The challenges and logistics of creating a photography conference.
And a lot more!
Other topics/links discussed on the podcast this week:
Support the podcast on Patreon.
Join me over on Nature Photographer's Network and use the code "FSTOP10" for a 10% discount!
Natural Landscape Photography Awards.
If you enjoyed our conversation on the podcast, you can listen to a bonus episode on Patreon where Shane and I talk all about time management and our mutual abilities to accomplish a lot on little time.
Here is who Shane recommended on the podcast this week:
Vickoria Haack.
Mark Jinks.
Dave Brosha.
Curtis Jones.
Nat Gillis.
Jason Pettit.
Richard Martin.
I love hearing from the podcast listeners! Reach out to me via Instagram, Facebook, or Twitter if you'd like to be on the podcast or if you have an idea of a topic we can talk about. We also have an Instagram page, a Facebook Page, and a Facebook Group - so don't be shy!
We also have a searchable transcript of every episode!
Thanks for stopping in, collaborating with us, and listening. See you next week.
P.S. you can also support the podcast by purchasing items through our B+H affiliate link.

Mar 6, 2023 • 1h 52min
307: AI and Photography - A Panel Discussion
One of the hottest topics to emerge in 2023 as it relates to landscape photography is the advent of Artificial Intelligence or AI. AI has swept the world by storm and is changing so rapidly that the one-month gap between when I recorded this podcast and when it was released probably saw huge shifts in the capabilities of AI and the challenges that have emerged in the U.S. legal system. AI presents photographers with multiple challenges and opportunities and in this panel discussion on the F-Stop Collaborate and Listen podcast, we examine it all in depth.
Meet our panel for AI and Photography:
Arka Chatterjee - a photographer, artist, and intellectual property lawyer.
Diana Nicholette Jeon - a photographer and artist using AI as a tool to make art.
Tim Parkin - Editor of OnLandscape Magazine.
Bruce Couch - a photographer and outspoken critic of AI.
On this week's episode, we cover a lot of ground about AI and Photography:
A comprehensive analysis on how AI image creation works and whether or not AI uses our photographs to make new artwork.
The various types of AI systems, including Generative Adversarial Networks and Stable Diffusion.
Discovering whether or not your photographs have been used to train AI networks.
What excites, frustrates, or angers photographers about the emergence of AI in the photography space.
How photographers can differentiate themselves from AI.
Ethical considerations for using AI image making systems as a photographer.
What makes a photograph a photograph and whether or not an AI generated image constitutes a photograph.
Comprehensive analysis on the legal ramifications of AI and copyright, both relating to the AI creations and the photographs that have been used to generate them.
And a lot more!
Other topics/links discussed on the podcast this week:
Read Tim Parkin's article on AI in his magazine, OnLandscape. Listeners can get 15% off an OnLandscape subscription by using the code FSTOP15.
Join me on Nature Photographer's Network for an amazing photography experience. Use the code FSTOP10 for 10% off your membership.
Support the podcast on Patreon.
Watch the podcast on YouTube.
Have I Been Trained website.
Obama Hope - AP Photographer case.
Thaler AI case.
Kashtanova - Zendaya Graphic Novel AI Case.
Getty Images AI - Stable Diffusion Case.
I love hearing from the podcast listeners! Reach out to me via Instagram, Facebook, or Twitter if you'd like to be on the podcast or if you have an idea of a topic we can talk about. We also have an Instagram page, a Facebook Page, and a Facebook Group - so don't be shy!
If you got something from listening to this week's show, please support the podcast in any way you can!
We also have a searchable transcript of every episode!
Thanks for stopping in, collaborating with us, and listening. See you next week.

Feb 27, 2023 • 1h 10min
306: Michele Sons - Photographing the Magic of Appalachia
One of the most under-appreciated photography locations in the United States is Appalachia, a region that stretches from Alabama in the south to New York in the north. Appalachia is not home to towering mountains, arid deserts, or epic displays of geology; however, a skilled photographer who takes care to connect with this place is able to create fantastic photographs that are personally expressive and evocative.
Today's guest on episode 306 of the F-Stop Collaborate and Listen Podcast, Michele Sons, is one such photographer. Her attention to detail and personal connection to Appalachia, fog, and geographic peculiarities has given her photography a voice in the crowded space of nature and landscape photography.
Michele has come to specialize in quiet, contemplative images of the Appalachian region and beyond. She has worked with National Geographic for years on their Beautiful Landscapes calendars, and other clients of hers include The Wilderness Society, Great Smoky Mountains Association, Eastern National, Gladstone Media, and the Appalachian Trail Conservancy.
If you want to learn how Michele is able to make stunning images of this seemingly less-than-iconic location, then you have come to the right place.
On this week's episode, we discuss:
Michele's 111-page e-book, Riversong, all about the New River Gorge in Fayetteville, West Virginia (Use the code FSTOP20 for 20% off).
Michele's personal connection to place and how she goes about making images that are connective in this way.
Michele's approaches to making images from less than iconic destinations.
How photography has served Michele in a healing capacity.
How Michele's mental health has shifted since she took up photography full-time.
Michele's strategies and challenges for monetization as a full-time photographer.
How knowing yourself can lead to better photographs.
Michele's "The Feminine Landscape" project.
Our mutual obsession with fog.
And a lot more!
If you enjoyed our conversation, you can catch our bonus episode on Patreon where Michele and I discuss her strategies for using lead magnets to increase her mailing list.
Other topics/links discussed on the podcast this week:
Join me on Nature Photographer's Network for an amazing photography experience. Use the code FSTOP10 for 10% off your membership.
Support the podcast on Patreon.
Watch the podcast on YouTube.
Here is who Michele recommended on the podcast this week:
Derek von Briesen.
Sam Krisch.
I love hearing from the podcast listeners! Reach out to me via Instagram, Facebook, or Twitter if you'd like to be on the podcast or if you have an idea of a topic we can talk about. We also have an Instagram page, a Facebook Page, and a Facebook Group - so don't be shy!
We also have a searchable transcript of every episode!
Thanks for stopping in, collaborating with us, and listening. See you next week.
P.S. you can also support the podcast by purchasing items through our B+H affiliate link.
Scroll down to see more of Michele's fantastic Appalachia photography!

Feb 20, 2023 • 58min
305: Walid Azami - Pricing Your Photography
One of the most frequent question I see other photographers asking is "how much should I charge for my services or prints?" Pricing your photography can be tricky, no matter what genre of photography you are engaged with. As such, it was awesome to have a conversation with this week's guest on Episode 305 of the F-Stop Collaborate and Listen podcast.
This week I had a blast speaking with Walid Azami. Walid is a photographer and commercial director living in Los Angeles and originally from Kabul, Afghanistan. He photographs celebrities, commercial products, and a lot more while offering his services as a coach and mentor to other photographers relating to business practices and pricing.
On this week's episode, we discuss:
Similarities between landscape photography and other genres as it relates to pricing and monetization.
The biggest mistakes photographers make in relation to pricing their photography.
Determining when monetization is worth pursuing.
Strategies for pricing your artwork and services.
Dealing with customers that low-ball you.
How to differentiate yourself as a photographer in the crowded marketplace we find ourselves in.
Advice for how to start thinking monetization of your work.
And a lot more!
Other topics/links discussed on the podcast this week:
Support the podcast on Patreon.
AirBnB Experiences.
Walid's Course.
Walid's website for photographers.
Walid on YouTube.
Here is who Walid recommended on the podcast this week:
Sean Tucker.
I love hearing from the podcast listeners! Reach out to me via Instagram, Facebook, or Twitter if you'd like to be on the podcast or if you have an idea of a topic we can talk about. We also have an Instagram page, a Facebook Page, and a Facebook Group - so don't be shy!
We also have a searchable transcript of every episode!
Thanks for stopping in, collaborating with us, and listening. See you next week.
P.S. you can also support the podcast by purchasing items through our B+H affiliate link.

Feb 13, 2023 • 1h 10min
304: Hank Erdmann - Improving Your Nature Photography Through the Use of the Five Senses
Finding actionable tips to improve our nature and landscape photography can often be hard to come by in today's noisy environment where catchy and click-bait titles on YouTube dominate the day; however, there are still ways to find these tips. A great place to find them of course is right here on the F-Stop Collaborate and Listen podcast!
This week I had a wonderful time chatting with long-time photographer Hank Erdmann, who shared with us some great tips for finding compositions in nature that might not seem obvious.
On this week's episode, we discuss:
How Hank got into photography,
Hank's process for finding images through the use of the five senses,
Using artistic sensory perception to create better photographs,
Practical tips for people that say they are not artistic,
A discussion on "what is art" in photography,
Defining art,
The differences between representative photographs and artistic photographs,
Hank's role with NANPA,
And a lot more!
Other topics/links discussed on the podcast this week:
Support the podcast on Patreon.
Brooks Jensen's Ask Me Anything on NPN.
My article on Art in Nature Photography on NPN.
Guy Tal's article on Mindfulness in Nature Photography on NPN.
Join me over on Nature Photographer's Network and use the code "FSTOP10" for a 10% discount!
Here is who Hank recommended on the podcast this week:
Willard Clay.
David Ward.
Craig Blacklock.
Did you know we are also now showcasing our episodes in video format on YouTube? It's a great way to see the conversation unfold while seeing images shared by our guests or images that we discuss.
I love hearing from the podcast listeners! Reach out to me via Instagram, Facebook, or Twitter if you'd like to be on the podcast or if you have an idea of a topic we can talk about. We also have an Instagram page, a Facebook Page, and a Facebook Group - so don't be shy!
We also have a searchable transcript of every episode!
Thanks for stopping in, collaborating with us, and listening. See you next week.
P.S. you can also support the podcast by purchasing items through our B+H affiliate link.

Feb 6, 2023 • 1h 6min
303: Sigfrido Zimmermann - An Ecologist’s Take on Nature Photography
This week I had an amazing time chatting it up with one of my favorite photographers - Sigfrido Zimmermann. Sigfrido is an ecologist for his day job and an fantastic nature photographer in his spare time. He combines his knowledge of ecological processes to make some really stunning images, which is what we talk about in this week's show, at length.
Sigfrido and I had a wonderful conversation and started out with a lot of background on his area of scientific research, which I think will help you later on if you stay tuned!
On this week's episode, we discuss:
Sigfrido's journey into nature photography,
Sigfrido's area of scientific research as an ecologist,
Why Sigfrido makes images,
The connection between Sigfrido's scientific research and his photography,
How non-scientists can leverage science to make better photographs,
Working in projects as a photographer,
And a lot more!
Other topics/links discussed on the podcast this week:
Join me for a Muench Workshop at White Pocket - June 6-11, 2023.
Support the podcast on Patreon.
Join me over on Nature Photographer's Network and use the code "FSTOP10" for a 10% discount!
William Neill's book: The Photographer's Portfolio Development Workshop.
Theo Bosboom's article in OnLandscape on Project Based Work.
Natural Landscape Photography Awards.
Here is who Sigfrido recommended on the podcast this week:
Alfredo Mora.
Hans Gunnar Aslaksen.
Jason Pettit.
I love hearing from the podcast listeners! Reach out to me via Instagram, Facebook, or Twitter if you'd like to be on the podcast or if you have an idea of a topic we can talk about. We also have an Instagram page, a Facebook Page, and a Facebook Group - so don't be shy!
We also have a searchable transcript of every episode!
Thanks for stopping in, collaborating with us, and listening. See you next week.
P.S. you can also support the podcast by purchasing items through our B+H affiliate link.

Jan 30, 2023 • 1h 32min
302: Joe Cornish & Alex Nail - Artists asking Artists #5
Ever since I created my landscape and nature photography podcast, there was one person from the United Kingdom that I have always wanted to have as a guest - Joe Cornish.
Fortunately, my friend Alex Nail asked if he could interview Joe and I was beyond thrilled at the suggestion. Joe is an inspiration to so many landscape photographers, so it was a true pleasure hearing him answer our tough questions. As such, it was a great honor to have him join us for our 302nd episode of the podcast, and the 5th iteration of our "Artists Asking Artists" series.
Joe's approach to composition and field craft are quite renowned and appreciated by photographers across the world, so it was so amazing hearing him discuss practical ways in which he approaches the making of his images.
On this week's episode, we discuss:
Joe Cornish's approaches to making landscape photographs,
Perfectionism in landscape photography,
Complexity in composition in landscape photography,
Qualities of light and Joe's preferences for light,
Various discussion around color hue shifts in digital cameras,
Reconciling our carbon footprint while travelling great distances,
Adding value to the world as a photographer,
Comparing and contrasting landscape photographers from the United Kingdom and the United States,
The influence of painters on landscape photographers,
And a lot more!
Other topics/links discussed on the podcast this week:
Support the podcast on Patreon.
Joe's article over on OnLandscape.
Join me over on Nature Photographer's Network and use the code "FSTOP10" for a 10% discount!
I love hearing from the podcast listeners! Reach out to me via Instagram, Facebook, or Twitter if you'd like to be on the podcast or if you have an idea of a topic we can talk about. We also have an Instagram page, a Facebook Page, and a Facebook Group - so don't be shy!
We also have a searchable transcript of every episode!
Thanks for stopping in, collaborating with us, and listening. See you next week.
Please see our full listing of show notes and links for more information!
P.S. you can also support the podcast by purchasing items through our B+H affiliate link.


