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Matt Payne
This photography podcast takes you well beyond camera gear each week with weekly interviews and panel discussions with professional photographers, industry insiders, enthusiasts, and hobbyists alike. Our candid but laid-back conversations deeply explore the craft of photography and psychological drivers relating to creativity, motivation, inspiration, and workflow. We also discuss social media, photography business practices, marketing, sales, and hot topics impacting photographers from all genres, with a particular focus on landscape, nature, and wildlife photography. The show is hosted by Matt Payne, a professional full-time nature photographer and the co-founder of the internationally renowned photography competition, the Natural Landscape Photography Awards. Matt is also a mountaineer, climbing the highest 100 mountains in Colorado. Matt leverages skills he gained in pursuit of his Master’s Degree in Clinical Psychology to dig deeply into the hearts and minds of his passionate guests, revealing secrets and inspiration in every episode.
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Jun 12, 2023 • 1h 5min
321: Kevin Pepper - The Canadian Ambassador to Mongolia
Immersing ourselves in other cultures can be a very rewarding experience and can dramatically improve our photography.
On today's episode, I had a blast speaking with Kevin Pepper, a Canadian photographer and fellow Muench Workshops instructor. Kevin and I first met on my first trip with Muench last year to Antarctica and we really hit it off. I became deeply interested in his passion for Mongolia, which was largely the focus of today's podcast.
On this week's episode, we discuss:
How Kevin transitioned from working for Autotrader.com to being a FT photography instructor.
Kevin's deep immersion into the Mongolian culture.
Tips and tricks for telling stories with our images.
How Mongolia has changed over the past decade.
Kevin's approach to making images within a different culture.
Mongolian Eagle Hunters - their history and why they exist.
And a lot more!
Other topics/links discussed on the podcast this week:
Support the podcast on Patreon.
The Natural Landscape Photography Awards.
Workshops with Kevin Pepper.
The Eagle Huntress movie.
Kevin Pepper on Instagram.
Watch podcast episodes on YouTube, where we overlay photos with our conversation via video.
Here is who Kevin recommended on the podcast this week:
Jeff Wendorff.
Richard l'Anson.
I love hearing from the podcast listeners! Reach out to me via Instagram, Facebook, or Twitter if you'd like to be on the podcast or if you have an idea of a topic we can talk about. We also have an Instagram page, a Facebook Page, and a Facebook Group - so don't be shy!
We also have a searchable transcript of every episode!
Thanks for stopping in, collaborating with us, and listening. See you next week.
P.S. you can also support the podcast by purchasing items through our B+H affiliate link.

Jun 5, 2023 • 57min
320: Astrid Preisz - Shedding Your Emotional Armor Through Nature Photography
Nature Photography can be a powerful tool for self-expression, self-discovery, and personal transformation. The keys to leveraging this visual communication medium for these purposes can be elusive, but once they are tapped into fully, the impacts can be quite fruitful!
On today's episode, I had the pleasure of speaking with Astrid Preisz, a phenomenal photographer from Austria. Astrid has some of the most creative and mind-bending images I've seen and so it was great to get to know her through the podcast and get to learn what her approaches are to making her exceptional images. In this episode, you'll learn how her approach to photography has set her on a path of self-expression that has completely transformed her as a person.
On this week's episode, we discuss:
Astrid's journey into nature photography starting in 2015.
How photography has aided her in finding a path for self-expression which has allowed her to shed her emotional armor.
How we can encourage other photographers to place less pressure on themselves to perform and why that approach can help us.
Pitfalls for visual communication and overcoming them.
The concept of play and how it makes us better creatives.
Defining our work as photographers.
And a lot more!
If you enjoyed our chat, you can catch a bonus episode on Patreon where Astrid and I discuss our approaches to focusing on experiences instead of results.
Other topics/links discussed on the podcast this week:
Support the podcast on Patreon.
The Natural Landscape Photography Awards.
Astrid on Instagram.
Watch podcast episodes on YouTube, where we overlay photos with our conversation via video.
Here is who Astrid recommended on the podcast this week:
Madeleine Lenagh.
I love hearing from the podcast listeners! Reach out to me via Instagram, Facebook, or Twitter if you'd like to be on the podcast or if you have an idea of a topic we can talk about. We also have an Instagram page, a Facebook Page, and a Facebook Group - so don't be shy!
We also have a searchable transcript of every episode!
Thanks for stopping in, collaborating with us, and listening. See you next week.
P.S. you can also support the podcast by purchasing items through our B+H affiliate link.

May 29, 2023 • 1h 13min
319: Nic Stover - Aligning Your Core Values for Better Photography
The journey of nature photography can be amazing. Through it, we can learn to be better humans. Such is the case for today's guest of my podcast, Nic Stover. Nic has successfully managed to grow his online and physical photography business by aligning his core values and focusing on what really matters to him.
On this week's episode, we discuss:
How Nic has found a way to differentiate himself by aligning his core values.
Why Nic isn't on social media and how he promotes his business instead.
Finding the right framework to evaluate your creative journey.
Lessons learned from his experience being in a gallery and being critiqued at FotoFest.
How Nic has carved out a niche presenting to camera clubs and what he's learned along the way.
Having a professional mindset.
Nic's website, Nature Photography Classes and the Speaker Series - use the code "FSTOP" for a discount!
How Nic is giving back through The Inspired Creator.
And a lot more!
Other topics/links discussed on the podcast this week:
Support the podcast on Patreon.
The Natural Landscape Photography Awards.
The Wallas Model for Creativity.
The Artist Way by Julia Cameron.
The War of Art by Steven Pressfield.
The E-Myth book.
Watch podcast episodes on YouTube, where we overlay photos with our conversation via video.
Here is who Nic recommended on the podcast this week:
Tony Sweet.
Sean Tucker.
I love hearing from the podcast listeners! Reach out to me via Instagram, Facebook, or Twitter if you'd like to be on the podcast or if you have an idea of a topic we can talk about. We also have an Instagram page, a Facebook Page, and a Facebook Group - so don't be shy!
We also have a searchable transcript of every episode!
Thanks for stopping in, collaborating with us, and listening. See you next week.
P.S. you can also support the podcast by purchasing items through our B+H affiliate link.

May 22, 2023 • 1h 5min
318: Jason Pettit - A Unique Style for Distillation and Expression
Development of a unique style in nature photography is something most of us strive for in our quests as photographers of the landscape. Sometimes it is hard to put into words what that even means or looks like, and there are a plethora of variables that impact one's unique style.
On today's podcast episode, I had the pleasure of speaking with one of my favorite Canadian nature photographers, Jason Pettit, about his journey and approach to the craft, including his approach for distillation of subject, which I found to be quite interesting. Sit back, relax, and enjoy our chat!
On this week's episode, we discuss:
Jason's journey into photography.
What life is like in Prince Edward County, where Jason lives and grew up.
Using photography as a vehicle for self-discovery and therapy.
Why we choose nature photography over something else.
Our evolution as photographers.
Identification of a unique style and what even means in nature photography.
Distillation of subjects for maximum impact.
Making home a lifelong photography project.
Jason's earliest and current influences.
How Jason copes as a nature photographer who is color blind.
And a lot more!
If you enjoyed our chat, we did a whole bonus episode on Patreon where Jason and I pontificate the ramifications of AI on nature photography.
Other topics/links discussed on the podcast this week:
Support the podcast on Patreon.
Join me over on Nature Photographer's Network and use the code "FSTOP10" for a 10% discount!
My article in On Landscape on Jason Pettit.
The Natural Landscape Photography Awards.
My Print Lab Review Article and Video.
LensWork #161 & The Plateau of Despair.
Eliot Porter - Intimate Landscapes.
Galen Rowell - Mountain Light.
Watch podcast episodes on YouTube, where we overlay photos with our conversation via video.
Here is who Jason recommended on the podcast this week:
Paul Wakefield.
Alexey Korolyov.
Donna Doyle.
I love hearing from the podcast listeners! Reach out to me via Instagram, Facebook, or Twitter if you'd like to be on the podcast or if you have an idea of a topic we can talk about. We also have an Instagram page, a Facebook Page, and a Facebook Group - so don't be shy!
We also have a searchable transcript of every episode!
Thanks for stopping in, collaborating with us, and listening. See you next week.
P.S. you can also support the podcast by purchasing items through our B+H affiliate link.

May 15, 2023 • 1h 43min
317: Les Walkling - The Professor of Fine Art Printing
Printing our landscape and nature photographs can bring a lot of joy and can provide tremendous opportunities for making money from your artwork. There's a lot to decipher before you start. What paper do you use? How do you calibrate your monitor? Why are my prints so dark?
Fortunately, resources exist to make this process easier for you to figure out.
As such, I was excited to record this week's podcast! On today's episode, I sat down with the legendary Australian print-maker and fine art educator, Les Walkling. Dr. Walkling has devoted his life to the arts, and taught contemporary fine art photography and history at RMIT University for many years. He is perhaps more well-known in the landscape photography community for his excellent YouTube videos that compare and contrast various fine art papers for printing. On today's podcast we talk about his research, how to evaluate and choose a fine art paper, and tips for monitor calibration.
Other topics/links discussed on the podcast this week:
Support the podcast on Patreon.
Watch podcast episodes on YouTube.
Essays & Notes from our Les Walking's website:
Words
Calibrating
The Joy and Despair of Becoming a Photographer
Digital Print Categories and Characteristics
Paper Classifications
Introduction to Monitor Calibration
Matching Prints to Screen
Lighting Theory
Why Les Walkling & Co. Pty Ltd Bespoke Printer Profiles?
My Emotional Theory of Aspect Ratios
My Emotional Theory of Print Size
Peter Dombrovskis - Journeys into the Wild
Videos from Les Walkling's YouTube Channel
Evaluating Files Before Printing
Advanced Soft Proofing Monitor Calibration
Advanced Soft Proofing Monitor Addendum
The New Canson Infinity Inkjet Papers
An Aesthetic Evaluation of Fine Art Inkjet Papers
Brush Work
Education & Services
Workshops (Live and interactive via Zoom)
Consultations (Online)
Production Services (including remote Bespoke Printer Profiling)
Here is who Les recommended on the podcast this week:
Tony Hewitt
Peter Eastway
Adam Katseff
I love hearing from the podcast listeners! Reach out to me via Instagram, Facebook, or Twitter if you'd like to be on the podcast or if you have an idea of a topic we can talk about. We also have an Instagram page, a Facebook Page, and a Facebook Group - so don't be shy!
We also have a searchable transcript of every episode!
Thanks for stopping in, collaborating with us, and listening. See you next week.
P.S. you can also support the podcast by purchasing items through our B+H affiliate link.

May 8, 2023 • 1h 13min
316: Richard Martin - Tools for More Creative Photography
Photography is one of the most accessible artforms that exists and acts as a creative outlet and tool for personal expression for so many of us. Unfortunately, tapping into that creativity and modes of personal expression in photography doesn't always come naturally for all of us. Fortunately, there are techniques and strategies that exist to help us get there.
On today's episode, I finally was able to speak with one of the most inspiring Canadian photographers of our time, Richard Martin. Richard is a creative powerhouse and I just love his approach to making images. Our conversation covers a huge plethora of topics revolving around his creative approaches for making images and there is a lot of actionable advice in today's episode, so I highly encourage you to listen all the way to the end.
On this week's episode, we discuss:
Richard's journey into photography.
How growing up in the Thousand Island region near Lake Ontario informed Richard's interest in nature.
How photography evolved into a vehicle for personal expression for Richard.
Richard's philosophical approach to making images in the field.
Keys to creative development in photography.
Comparing our work to others.
Balancing creative ruts with our creative and business needs.
The importance of restoring our amateur status.
Why we should question everything we know about photography.
The role of ambiguity in photography.
And a lot more!
If you enjoyed our chat, we did a whole bonus episode on Patreon where Richard and I discuss perfectionism in landscape photography and how it relates to Wabi Sabi! See Richard's gallery on Wabi Sabi here.
Other topics/links discussed on the podcast this week:
Support the podcast on Patreon.
The Creation by Ernst Haas.
Eric Bennett critique groups.
Watch podcast episodes on YouTube.
Landscape Photographer's Worldwide Discord Server.
Here is who Richard recommended on the podcast this week:
Stephen Patterson.
Andre Gallant.
Mike Grandmaison.
Maurice Henri.
Tony Sweet.
I love hearing from the podcast listeners! Reach out to me via Instagram, Facebook, or Twitter if you'd like to be on the podcast or if you have an idea of a topic we can talk about. We also have an Instagram page, a Facebook Page, and a Facebook Group - so don't be shy!
Richard's social media:
Instagram
Vero
Facebook
We also have a searchable transcript of every episode!
Thanks for stopping in, collaborating with us, and listening. See you next week.
P.S. you can also support the podcast by purchasing items through our B+H affiliate link.

May 1, 2023 • 1h 16min
315: Lizzie Shepherd - Re-finding Your Mojo in Landscape Photography
It happens to the best of us - we lose our mojo in landscape photography and can't figure out how to find it again. Fortunately there is a simple cure for this...
In this week's podcast episode, I had a fantastic time speaking with one of my favorite UK landscape photographers, Lizzie Shepherd. We eventually do discuss losing our mojo but we also talk about how this is actually not a bad thing. Our chat covers a lot of important ground and it was a true delight speaking with Lizzie about her approach to making images. I highly recommend this podcast.
On this week's episode, we discuss:
Lizzie's journey into photography.
Going a long time without taking images and how to get back into it.
Cross-country skiing in Norway.
Why Scotland is one of Lizzie's favorite places to photograph.
Our role as photographers in protecting and promoting nature.
Using social media as a photographer.
Approaches to teaching workshops.
Intimate vs. grand scenic approaches to making images.
And a lot more!
If you enjoyed our chat, we did a whole bonus episode on Patreon about print sales in the UK and our approaches to open vs. limited edition prints.
Other topics/links discussed on the podcast this week:
Support the podcast on Patreon.
Join me over on Nature Photographer's Network and use the code "FSTOP10" for a 10% discount!
Watch podcast episodes on YouTube.
Landscape Photographer's Worldwide Discord Server.
Here is who Lizzie recommended on the podcast this week:
Alex Hare.
I love hearing from the podcast listeners! Reach out to me via Instagram, Facebook, or Twitter if you'd like to be on the podcast or if you have an idea of a topic we can talk about. We also have an Instagram page, a Facebook Page, and a Facebook Group - so don't be shy!
We also have a searchable transcript of every episode!
Thanks for stopping in, collaborating with us, and listening. See you next week.
P.S. you can also support the podcast by purchasing items through our B+H affiliate link.
Please see our full show notes to see some of Lizzie's fantastic photography!

Apr 24, 2023 • 1h 2min
314: Angela Ledyard - Creating a Community for Black Female Landscape Photographers
Finding our people is something I think we all strive for. For some of us, this is easy and for others, it can be quite difficult. In the landscape and nature photography community, there are well-established cliques of people who photograph together frequently, often comprised of white men. Why this is the case has always been a mystery to me; however, I genuinely always want to put myself in the shoes of others who are not like me to understand what it is like to live like them.
This week I had the pleasure of hanging out and chatting with Angela Ledyard. Angela is a landscape photographer living in Texas, originally from Ohio. She recently created a group called the Black Female Landscape & Nature Photographers, which has become a prominent community and beacon for African American nature photographers. It was awesome hearing her story and to hear about why and how she created the group. I think you'll enjoy our chat.
On this week's episode, we discuss:
Angela's journey into photography.
Why Angela has chosen nature photography as her medium.
Why and how Angela created the Black Female Landscape & Nature Photographers community.
The challenges of being a black female in the landscape photography realm.
What Angela's goals are with her photography.
How moving from Ohio to California changed how she saw nature as a photographer.
Angela's 5-day trip to Peru and what it was like for her to photograph there.
And a lot more!
Other topics/links discussed on the podcast this week:
Support the podcast on Patreon.
Join me over on Nature Photographer's Network and use the code "FSTOP10" for a 10% discount!
Watch podcast episodes on YouTube.
Here is who Angela recommended on the podcast this week:
Keisha Holmes.
David Greaves.
Allison Holmes.
James Bland.
I love hearing from the podcast listeners! Reach out to me via Instagram, Facebook, or Twitter if you'd like to be on the podcast or if you have an idea of a topic we can talk about. We also have an Instagram page, a Facebook Page, and a Facebook Group - so don't be shy!
We also have a searchable transcript of every episode!
Thanks for stopping in, collaborating with us, and listening. See you next week.
P.S. you can also support the podcast by purchasing items through our B+H affiliate link.
Scroll down to see more of Angela's photography.

Apr 17, 2023 • 1h 14min
313: TJ Thorne - Ebb & Flow
Using 2019 data, according to the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), 14.2 million adults over the age of 18 had a severe depressive episode in the past year, and 14.4 million struggled with alcohol abuse disorder in the past year. Clearly, both alcoholism and depression are quite prevalent in our society and it is something a lot of people struggle with. Finding ways to cope with these ubiquitous challenges can be crucial for the survival of so many of us, and nature photography is one such way that has been shown to help.
As such, it was a real honor recording a podcast with TJ Thorne, who first joined us way back on Episode 22! TJ has been battling both depression and alcoholism for quite a long time and he has found nature photography to be one way that he is able to fight back. In this episode, TJ and I talk about this journey and his relationship with the subject of water specifically, which is the focus of his new book.
On this week's episode, we discuss:
TJ's journey into photography.
How working in the food industry began to shape TJ's struggles with addiction.
TJ's struggles with addiction and depression and how nature photography has helped him.
TJ's inaugural book, Ebb & Flow.
The role that water has played in TJ's photographic journey.
TJ's search for emotional and mental freedom through photography.
How TJ's friendships with other photographers have aided him.
TJ's process for curating images for his book.
How tangible photography projects like a book differ from digital formats.
Using photography as a tool to intimately explore the world instead of using it to "take photographs."
How and why TJ has made the switch over to photographing more abstract subjects as opposed to grand scenic images.
And a lot more!
If you enjoyed our conversation, you can catch our bonus episode on Patreon where TJ and I discuss his struggles having photography be his main way of making money when it is so intertwined with his mental health.
Other topics/links discussed on the podcast this week:
Support the podcast on Patreon.
Join me over on Nature Photographer's Network and use the code "FSTOP10" for a 10% discount!
The Invisible Gorilla Experiment.
Watch podcast episodes on YouTube.
Here is who TJ recommended on the podcast this week:
Juame Llorens.
Jo Stephen.
Nel Talen.
Mike DiMeola.
Cesar Llaneza.
Michele Sons (we recorded on E306).
I love hearing from the podcast listeners! Reach out to me via Instagram, Facebook, or Twitter if you'd like to be on the podcast or if you have an idea of a topic we can talk about. We also have an Instagram page, a Facebook Page, and a Facebook Group - so don't be shy!
We also have a searchable transcript of every episode!
Thanks for stopping in, collaborating with us, and listening. See you next week.
P.S. you can also support the podcast by purchasing items through our B+H affiliate link.

Apr 10, 2023 • 1h 19min
312: Alfredo Mora - Unlocking Creativity Through Experimentation
One of the best ways to differentiate ourselves as photographers is to fully engage in the creative process. As such, one sure-fire path to making more creative work is to experiment. Experimentation can help to unlock creativity and help us create more interesting work.
Since experimentation is something I think we can all learn more about, I was excited to record a podcast with one of my favorite photographers here in Colorado, Alfredo Mora. Alfredo works full-time supporting the NASA program and takes some absolutely splendid images, largely using experimental techniques. He placed third in the 2nd year of the Natural Landscape Photography Awards and has always impressed me with his modesty and level-headedness.
On this week's episode, we discuss:
How Alfredo got into photography.
How Alfredo's background in architectural photography has helped him as a nature photographer.
How Alfredo's cultural background has influenced his path and approach to making images.
How Alfredo is able to balance a full-time job supporting NASA launches, a family, and his photographic pursuits.
The importance of taking risks as a photographer.
How Alfredo experiments with Intentional Camera Movement (ICM), multiple exposures, and Photoshop blend modes to create unique images.
How Alfredo's approach to making images has shifted from results-driven to experience-driven.
The differences between being inspired and copying other people's photographs.
Processes for releasing images to the public.
Photography competitions.
Writing and moderating the critique group for Nature Photographer's Network (NPN).
And a lot more!
Other topics/links discussed on the podcast this week:
Support the podcast on Patreon.
Join me over on Nature Photographer's Network and use the code "FSTOP10" for a 10% discount!
Alfredo's article on his ICM blending techniques.
Jon Norris - Joshua Tree workshops.
Emily McCulliss' Storyboard.
Watch podcast episodes on YouTube.
Here is who Alfredo recommended on the podcast this week:
David Ward.
Michael Frye.
Kevin Monahan.
Klaus Axelsen.
Jason Pettit.
Kristin Weinhold.
Elvis Dallie.
I love hearing from the podcast listeners! Reach out to me via Instagram, Facebook, or Twitter if you'd like to be on the podcast or if you have an idea of a topic we can talk about. We also have an Instagram page, a Facebook Page, and a Facebook Group - so don't be shy!
We also have a searchable transcript of every episode!
Thanks for stopping in, collaborating with us, and listening. See you next week.
P.S. you can also support the podcast by purchasing items through our B+H affiliate link.


