
Pastors Talk - A podcast by 9Marks
Pastors Talk is a weekly conversation between Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever about practical aspects of the Christian life and pastoral ministry.
Latest episodes

Jul 7, 2020 • 21min
Episodes 136: On Pastors and Social Media
Many pastors feel pressure from their members to speak up on social media. “Why aren’t you talking about ___________? Don’t you care?”In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about how pastors ought to approach social media use.

Jun 30, 2020 • 27min
Episode 135: On Shepherding: The Work and Character of a Pastor
In this Pastors Talk episode, Jonathan chats with Mark about the new 9Marks Journal: On Shepherding — The Work and Character of a Pastor. They focus on three traits of a pastor:— They should be godly & gifted, but especially godly.— They should care about other churches.— They shouldn’t freak out.

Jun 23, 2020 • 26min
Episode 134: On the Difference between Revival and Revivalism
In his book Revival & Revivalism, Iain Murray defines revival as God using ordinary means to effect extraordinary change. That’s much different than revivalism, which is when man tries to use extraordinary means to effect the same, extraordinary change.Can you tell the difference between the two? Is it even possible? In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan asks Mark to take a brief tour of church history so that pastors and Christians today can discern the difference between revival—a good thing—and revivalism—a bad thing.

Jun 16, 2020 • 20min
Episode 133: On Why Should I Join a Church?
Have you ever met a growing Christian who is self-consciously choosing not to join a church? In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about the vital necessity of joining a local church.For more on this topic, check out Mark’s new mini-book in the Church Questions series: "Why Should I Join a Church?"

Jun 9, 2020 • 43min
Episode 132: On Teaching Your Church about Issues Related to Race (with Jeff Brown, James Miles, and Mark Vroegop)
Should pastors try to educate their church about issues related to race and racism? If so, how?In this Pastors’ Talk episode, Jonathan Leeman chats with three staff members of College Park Church—Mark Vroegop, Jeff Brown, and James Miles—about what they’ve done, how they’ve done it, and why the journey is worth whatever difficulties it brings.

Jun 5, 2020 • 46min
Episode 131: On Pastoring Amidst National Trauma (with Garrett Kell)
The past few weeks have been hard. People are grieving and angry, scared and confused.How should pastors lead and love their people during a national trauma? Jonathan Leeman and Garrett Kell discuss.

Jun 2, 2020 • 26min
Episode 130: On How Can I Love Church Members with Different Politics (with Andy Naselli)
Conversations about politics are often emotionally charged. We disagree because our consciences are calibrated differently. So how can we still love each other? Mark Dever, Jonathan Leeman, and Andy Naselli discuss.

May 26, 2020 • 15min
Episode 129: On Principles to Consider as We Gather Again
As churches move toward gathering again, there are lots of principles to consider. One of the most important—and one of the least talked about—is the difference between what’s a church and what’s not a church.Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman discuss in this Pastors’ Talk episode.

May 19, 2020 • 33min
Episode 128: On When Elders Disagree (with Matt Schmucker)
In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Matt Schmucker about what to do when elders disagree.

May 12, 2020 • 25min
Episode 127: On Character Matters (with Aaron Menikoff)
A few years ago, someone told pastor Aaron Menikoff that he was too harsh. The Holy Spirit took that feedback, and sparked in Aaron a fresh desire to pursue the fruit of the Spirit, which ultimately led to this new book: Character Matters.In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever chat with Aaron about the importance of godly character in the life of all Christians, especially pastors.