
Pastors Talk - A podcast by 9Marks
Pastors Talk is a weekly conversation between Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever about practical aspects of the Christian life and pastoral ministry.
Latest episodes

Dec 15, 2020 • 18min
Episode 155: On Remembering 2020
This year has been hard, but now it’s finally (nearly) over. In this final Pastors Talk of 2020, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about the highs and lows of this particular year.

Dec 8, 2020 • 29min
Episode 154: On A Bunch of Fun Biographies
Are you looking for books to read this holiday season? Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about a bunch of fun biographies.

Dec 2, 2020 • 26min
Episode 153: On Caring for Members Unwilling to Come Back to Church (with Nathan Knight)
Among the many things 2020 has made more complicated, chief among them is caring for members who are unwilling to come back to church.

Nov 24, 2020 • 20min
Episode 152: On Virtual "Church"
For years, certain churches and ministries have referred to “virtual church” or “attending church online.” This year of COVID-19—the “anti-gathering virus,” as Mark puts it in this episode—has made such phrases even more popular.

Nov 10, 2020 • 37min
Episode 151: On How Much a Pastor Should Care About His Reputation
Paul says pastors must be “well thought of by outsiders.” But Jesus says we’re “blessed” when others speak evil about us, even falsely.What do we do with this? How much should a pastor care about his reputation?

Nov 3, 2020 • 25min
Episode 150: On Cleaning the Membership Rolls - Part 2 (with Matt Schmucker)
Episode 149 explained what “cleaning the rolls” means, and why pastors should lead their churches to do it. Episode 150 continues the conversation, but focuses on how to actually get it done.Jonathan Leeman, Mark Dever, and Matt Schmucker discuss.

Oct 27, 2020 • 22min
Episode 149: On Cleaning the Membership Rolls - Part 1 (with Matt Schmucker)
Some churches report hundreds of members, with dozens in attendance. These churches need to “clean their rolls.”Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Matt Schmucker about what that means and why churches should do it.

Oct 20, 2020 • 27min
Episode 148: On How A Culture of Discipling + Lay Elders = Church Planting
Healthy churches plant churches. But how? What causes a church to “bubble over”? Here’s one way.

Oct 13, 2020 • 39min
Episode 147: On the Appeal and the Errors of Theonomy (with T. David Gordon)
Broadly speaking, “theonomy” is the theological persuasion that civil societies ought to be governed by the Mosaic Law. In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever chat with T. David Gordon about the errors and appeal of theonomy.

Oct 6, 2020 • 29min
Episode 146: On Preparing for a Tough Political Season (Part 2)
We just released a new Journal: Pastoring through Political Turmoil. In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about the Journal in particular and the topic of pastoring through an election season in general.