
Pastors Talk - A podcast by 9Marks
Pastors Talk is a weekly conversation between Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever about practical aspects of the Christian life and pastoral ministry.
Latest episodes

May 13, 2025 • 34min
On Growing Up in a "Christian" Colony (Ep. 299)
Josh Waldner, a former member of a Hutterite colony in Montana and now an evangelical Christian, shares his unique upbringing. He discusses the communal lifestyle of the Hutterites, contrasting their beliefs with those of the Amish. Waldner reveals the emotional toll of shunning on those who leave the community and reflects on the personal struggles faced in reconciling faith and tradition. He also offers insights into Hutterite church services and highlights the complexities of growing up in a religious colony while seeking authentic engagement with faith.

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May 6, 2025 • 26min
On the Book From Eden to Egypt (Ep. 298)
In this engaging talk, Alex Duke, author of 'From Eden to Egypt' and elder at Third Avenue Baptist Church, shares the motivations behind his book. He dives into the complexities of biblical narratives, particularly Jacob's polygamous relationships and their moral lessons. The conversation also examines how personal Bible study enriches sermon messages. With humor and insight, they discuss the transformation of biblical characters like Judah, shedding light on themes of redemption that resonate today.

Apr 29, 2025 • 26min
On the Pastors Library (Ep. 297)
Jonathan and Mark share how they structure their libraries and also discuss how much importance pastors should give to their libraries.

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Apr 22, 2025 • 31min
On Ministering When Spiritually Dry (Ep. 296)
Garrett Cal, Pastor of Delray and co-host of Counseling Talk, along with Zach Schlegel, Pastor of First Baptist Upper Marlboro, delve into the challenges of feeling spiritually dry as a pastor. They share personal experiences and practical strategies for managing spiritual fatigue, emphasizing the importance of rest and self-care. The duo discusses the therapeutic power of music and Psalms in spiritual renewal and highlights the significance of personal devotion and supportive networks to combat burnout, fostering camaraderie among church leaders.

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Apr 15, 2025 • 38min
On Maturity (Ep. 295)
In this engaging conversation, Samuel James, Director of Content Development at Crossway and author of Digital Liturgies, explores the crucial theme of maturity in the church. He discusses the need for thoughtful leadership amidst cultural shifts and the challenges of immaturity in organizations. The impact of technology on human development is highlighted, revealing both its potential threats and benefits. Additionally, James offers insights on fostering maturity in youth and navigating the rapid changes of modern society.

Apr 8, 2025 • 24min
On the Pastor's Personal Evangelism (Ep. 294)
Mark and Jonathan delve into the unique challenges pastors face in personal evangelism, balancing their church duties with outreach. They share personal stories that highlight effective gospel conversations and the importance of authentic faith-sharing. The discussion shifts toward the integration of public preaching and personal witness, making sermons relatable to non-believers. They also explore how daily spiritual practices can sustain enthusiasm for evangelism, while offering encouragement to pastors feeling discouraged in their outreach efforts.

Apr 1, 2025 • 31min
On A Light on the Hill (Ep. 293)
Caleb Weaver, author and member of Capitol Hill Baptist Church, discusses the rich history of his church located near the US Capitol. He shares insights on the importance of congregational engagement and the church's unique role in American evangelicalism. The conversation touches on past governance challenges, highlighting a significant split in the congregation and the value of humility amidst conflict. Weaver emphasizes the vital themes of courage and discernment for churches today, showcasing the impactful legacy of local congregations in a changing world.

Mar 25, 2025 • 31min
On Extra Biblical Qualifications for Elders (Ep. 292)
The discussion dives into the significance of strong church leadership and biblical qualifications for elders. Beyond scripture, the speakers explore additional relational dynamics that enhance leadership. They examine the importance of unity among elders with differing theological views and emphasize the value of flexibility in ministry approaches. They also highlight how contextual factors can shape qualifications, advocating for a balance between traditional criteria and the specific needs of congregations.

Mar 18, 2025 • 31min
On Pastors as Writers (Ep. 291)
In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about the good desire some pastors have to write outside of church ministry and how to think about it.Subscribe to our new podcast, A Storm in the Desert, here: https://www.9marks.org/podcast/a-storm-in-the-desert/

Mar 11, 2025 • 27min
On Christianity in Colombia (Ep. 290)
In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk with the President of Poiema (a Spanish publisher) about the state of Christianity in Colombia.