
The Aerospace Advantage
The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies is proud to present The Aerospace Advantage, with Heather ”Lucky” Penney as the host. Every week, Lucky takes listeners into the world of aerospace power and help the audience understand what it takes to fly and fight in the sky, while also protecting America’s interests in space. Whether talking to top generals, standing on a flight line full of combat aircraft, looking at a rocket being prepared for launch, or hearing from those who have laid it all on the line in defense of the nation—this podcast will afford unprecedented access and insight into where the combat aerospace community is going and why.
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Jun 7, 2025 • 57min
Episode 239 — Budget Battles, Golden Dome, and Ukraine’s Strike on Russia: The Rendezvous
Episode Summary:
In this episode, Heather "Lucky" Penney talks to Lt. Gen. David Deptula, USAF (Ret.), Charles Galbreath, and Anthony "Lazer" Lazarski about the top defense issues this month in Washington, D.C. and beyond.
They unpack how the FY26 defense budget is unfolding—what is good and where is it falling short? The factors involving reconciliation versus the standard budget are throwing in some unpredictable factors to consider. They also discuss Golden Dome from a challenges and opportunities perspective. Past that, news coverage suggests that E-7 might be on the chopping block. Are we ready for a set of capabilities that are entirely space-based? Our experts also discuss a broad range of spacepower developments, plus they evaluate Ukraine’s novel strike on Russian bombers. Join us to learn about the latest when it comes to air and space power!
Credits:
Host: Heather "Lucky" Penney, Director of Research, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Producer: Shane Thin
Executive Producer: Douglas Birkey
Guest: Douglas Birkey, Executive Director, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Guest: Charles Galbreath, Senior Resident Fellow for Space Studies, The Mitchell Institute Spacepower Advantage Center of Excellence (MI-SPACE)
Guest: Anthony “Lazer” Lazarski, Principal, Cornerstone Government Affairs
Read:
1. Air Force and Space Force Vectors for the Incoming Trump Defense Team
2. Want Combat Airpower? Then Fix the Air Force Pilot Crisis
3. Air Force Reserve faces steep fighter cuts, uncertain future
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May 31, 2025 • 1h 8min
Episode 238 - Logistics While Under Attack: Key to a CCA Force Design
Episode Summary:
With threats surging around the world, the Air Force must figure out how to reset and do it fast. They can’t just buy more of what the service fielded in past decades. Fighting and winning tomorrow will require new operational concepts and technologies that’ll give airmen an edge.
That’s where CCA come into the mix. They’re designed to bring new capabilities, more capacity, and empower new ways of fighting. But just like the rest of the Air Force aircraft inventory, just buying CCA won’t be enough. Credible, sustainable combat air forces require logistics—personnel, fuel, munitions, ground handling equipment, and other materiel—to generate sorties at scale. Mitchell Institute executed a major exercise in 2024 looking at logistical requirements for CCA—to assess challenges and opportunities. This involved operators, industry, planners, and logisticians. We recently released the report. Join us as we hear from report author Col Mark Gunzinger along with workshop participants Robert “Otis” Winkler of Kratos, Andrew “Scar” VanTimmeren of Anduril, and Scott “Fug” Gilloon of General Atomics.
Credits:
Host: Douglas Birkey, Executive Director, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Producer: Shane Thin
Executive Producer: Douglas Birkey
Guest: Mark Gunzinger, Director of Future Concepts and Capability Assessments, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Guest: Robert “Otis” Winkler, Vice President, Corporate Development and National Security Programs, Kratos
Guest: Andrew “Scar” VanTimmeren, Director of Air Dominance Systems, Anduril
Guest: Scott “Fug” Gilloon, Sector Vice President of Air Force Strategic Development and Capability Assessments, General Atomics
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May 24, 2025 • 53min
Episode 237 — Want Next Gen Electronic Attack? Better Invest in Operational Analysis
Lt Gen David “Kooler” Krumm, a retired USAF officer and current VP at BAE Systems, shares expert insights on the future of electronic warfare. He discusses the critical need for advanced operational analysis to develop next-gen electronic attack capabilities. The conversation highlights the importance of collaboration between military strategists and technology experts to enhance battlefield effectiveness. They explore how the electromagnetic spectrum is transforming warfare and the necessity for innovative training approaches to prepare for evolving threats.

May 17, 2025 • 1h 10min
Episode 236 — China Update: 6th Gen Fighters, Russia Relations, and Taiwan Strait Drills
Episode Summary:
Join us to learn more about the latest developments in Chinese airpower and spacepower developments. Heather Penney and Mike "JDAM" Dahm discuss a wide range of topics, including an update on China’s 6th generation fighters and recent PLA exercises in the Taiwan Strait. They discuss what is happening with more missing PLA generals and dynamics between Xi Jinping and Vladamir Putin. The INDOPACOM Commander Admiral Paparo just testified on the Hill about China’s military and the PLA just released a new national security white paper. We also explore Chinese fighter performance in the recent conflict between Pakistan and India.
Credits:
Host: Heather "Lucky" Penney, Director of Research, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Producer: Shane Thin
Executive Producer: Douglas Birkey
Guest: J. Michael "JDAM" Dahm, Senior Resident Fellow for Aerospace and China Studies, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
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May 10, 2025 • 1h 9min
Episode 235 — Understanding the CCA Edge: Innovators’ Insights
Episode Summary:
Collaborative Combat Aircraft (CCA) stand forth as one of the most important airpower developments of the twenty-first century. We learn more about CCA by talking to two of the people involved with developing and building them: Mike Atwood from General Atomics and Andrew “Scar” Van Timmeren of Anduril.
CCA’s ability to harness the traditional attributes of range, speed, survivability, and a broad range of mission effects with the power of autonomy, artificial intelligence, and manned-unmanned teaming will yield an incredibly powerful tool for airmen and the broader joint military enterprise. We explain this technological journey, explore where the program currently stands, and discuss the pathway for production, test, and initial operational fielding.
Credits:
Host: Heather "Lucky" Penney, Director of Research, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Producer: Shane Thin
Executive Producer: Douglas Birkey
Guest: Michael Atwood, Vice President, Advanced Programs, General Atomics Aeronautical Systems
Guest: Andrew "Scar" Van Timmeren, Senior Director - Air Dominance Systems, Anduril Industries
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May 3, 2025 • 58min
Episode 234 — Defense Budget, Fighter Modernization, and Warfighting in Space: The Rendezvous
In this insightful discussion, guests include Anthony Lazarski, a budget expert from Cornerstone Government Affairs, and Todd Harmer, a senior vice president at American Defense International. They delve into the intricacies of the defense budget and its implications for air and space power. Topics include airpower gaps highlighted by Admiral Paparo, Lockheed's strategy for the F-35, and the operational importance of new military capabilities. The conversation also covers the foundational documents of the Space Force and the evolving landscape of military meteorology.

Apr 26, 2025 • 1h
Episode 233 — Securing Air and Space: Allied Insights
Join Nicolas Chambaz, a seasoned pilot and General Officer of the French Air and Space Force, alongside retired Brigadier General Houston 'Slider' Cantwell, as they delve into the critical role of aerospace power in modern security. They discuss the historical alliance between the U.S. and France and the urgent need for collaborative defense strategies in response to global threats. Key topics include France's strategic vision for the Indo-Pacific, advancements in air defense, and the significance of NATO's intelligence sharing to enhance preparedness in today's geopolitical landscape.

Apr 19, 2025 • 1h 1min
Episode 232 — Air Combat Survivability Through a POWs Experience
Episode Summary:
This week, The Aerospace Advantage takes a break for Easter, but that doesn't mean our listeners need to take a pause. In this week's episode we reach back to a previously recorded conversation where the Mitchell team reflects on the air war over Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War and speaks with combat pilot and POW Lt Col Gene Smith, USAF (Ret). Not only did Lt Col Smith fly and fight in some of the most heavily defended airspace in the history of aerial warfare, but he also spent over five years as a POW—facing conditions that pushed him to the brink. Despite these challenges, Lt Col Smith and his fellow POWs prevailed.
The Air Force lost 1,737 aircraft over Vietnam. That’s roughly 80% of the Air Force’s current fighter inventory. Those losses are hard to imagine today given the relatively permissive conditions that our airmen have operated in since the end of the Cold War. Tomorrow’s conflicts, however, promise to be far more costly, which is why it's important to reflect on our history and learn from the past in order to properly leverage the effects of American airpower.
Credits:
Host: John "Slick" Baum, Non-resident Fellow, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Producer: Shane Thin
Executive Producer: Douglas Birkey
Guest: Maj Gen Larry "Stutz" Stutzriem, USAF (Ret.), Executive Vice President, The Air & Space Forces Association
Guest: Heather "Lucky" Penney, Director of Research, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Guest: Lt Col Richard “Gene” Smith, USAF (Ret.)
Guest: Rob Collings, President & Financial Director, The American Heritage Museum
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Apr 12, 2025 • 47min
Episode 231 — The Future of Uncrewed Airpower: Pilot Perspective
Episode Summary:
As the Air Force develops the operational construct for Collaborative Combat Aircraft, Doug Birkey and Brig Gen Houston "Slider" Cantwell, USAF (Ret.) urge the service to tap into two decades of lessons learned flying highly sophisticated uncrewed aircraft like the MQ-1 Predator, MQ-9 Reaper, RQ-4 Global Hawk, and RQ-170. Harnessing his experience as an uncrewed aircraft pilot and commander, Cantwell explores the tremendous insights gained through uncrewed operations and the fundamental differences from traditional crewed combat aircraft operations. While CCA will execute at an entirely new level of performance, thanks to technologies like artificial intelligence and advanced mission systems, there are also foundational realities tied to uncrewed aviation that will shape how these aircraft fly and fight. Join us to learn more about this aspect of tomorrow’s airpower.
Credits:
Host: Douglas Birkey, Executive Director, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Producer: Shane Thin
Executive Producer: Douglas Birkey
Guest: Brig Gen Houston "Slider" Cantwell, USAF (Ret.), Senior Resident Fellow, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
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Apr 5, 2025 • 1h 1min
Episode 230 — F-47 Insights, Chinese “Dog Fighting in Space,” and DC Defense Developments: The Rendezvous
In this conversation, Charles Galbreath, an expert in space studies, Todd "Sledge" Harmer from American Defense International, and Anthony "Lazer" Lazarski of Cornerstone Government Affairs, dive into critical aerospace developments. They discuss the strategic implications of the new F-47 aircraft on airpower and its integration with unmanned systems. The panel also tackles funding challenges for the Space Force amid rising geopolitical tensions and explores China's space strategies, including 'dogfighting' in orbit, stressing the urgent need for military readiness.