

The Aerospace Advantage
The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies is proud to present The Aerospace Advantage, with Heather ”Lucky” Penney as the host. Every week, Lucky takes listeners into the world of aerospace power and help the audience understand what it takes to fly and fight in the sky, while also protecting America’s interests in space. Whether talking to top generals, standing on a flight line full of combat aircraft, looking at a rocket being prepared for launch, or hearing from those who have laid it all on the line in defense of the nation—this podcast will afford unprecedented access and insight into where the combat aerospace community is going and why.
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Jun 28, 2025 • 58min
11th Space Warning Squadron: Guardian Perspectives — Ep. 243
Episode Summary:
This week, we're shining a spotlight on the men and women of the 11th Space Warning Squadron (SWS). They provide theater missile warning to warfighters around the world. Given the nature and intensity of the threat environment, they have been incredibly busy. The 11 SWS is the inaugural recipient of the General Atomics United States Space Force Unit of the Year Award. Join Heather Penney, Charles Galbreath, and Jennifer "Boots" Reeves as they chat with 11 SWS commander Lt Col Amanda Manship; Capt Abigail “Fizzle” Flannery, the 11 SWS Weapons Officer; and Sgt Jonathan Stark, a Crew Chief in the 11 SWS.
Credits:
Host: Heather "Lucky" Penney, Director of Research, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Producer: Shane Thin
Executive Producer: Douglas Birkey
Guest: Charles Galbreath, Senior Resident Fellow for Space Studies, The Mitchell Institute Spacepower Advantage Center of Excellence (MI-SPACE)
Guest: Jennifer "Boots" Reeves, Senior Resident Fellow for Space Studies, The Mitchell Institute Spacepower Advantage Center of Excellence (MI-SPACE)
Guest: Lt Col Amanda Manship, Commander, 11th Space Warning Squadron, United States Space Force
Guest: Capt Abigail "Fizzle" Flannery, Weapons Officer, 11th Space Warning Squadron, United States Space Force
Guest: Sgt Jonathan Stark, Crew Chief, 11th Space Warning Squadron, United States Space Force
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#AerospaceAdvantage #SpaceForce #Military #Leadership

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Jun 23, 2025 • 1h 4min
USAF Airpower Over Iran: Key Insights — Ep. 242
Joining the discussion are Lt Gen David A. Deptula, USAF (Ret.), a leader in aerospace studies; Douglas Birkey, executive director and strategist; and Mark 'Gonzo' Gunzinger, a former bomber pilot with Pentagon experience. They delve into the recent strikes on Iran, exploring the strategic significance and operational complexities of air and space power. The conversation highlights the importance of military readiness, advanced aircraft capabilities, and lessons from history to inform future strategies, emphasizing deterrence and the evolving landscape of modern warfare.

Jun 21, 2025 • 50min
China In Space: Deterring Hostile Use of Force — Ep. 241
Episode Summary:
This week we’re taking a deep dive into deterrence, specifically deterring China from using force in space. Air University’s China Aerospace Studies Institute (CASI), in partnership with the Center for Naval Analysis (CNA), just released a new report exploring this topic. Results suggest that the U.S. security establishment has serious room for growth. Their experts analyzed ten different factors that assessed how the U.S. can deter China, but only two were rated in a favorable light. The rest need more development. While conflict in space is not inevitable, the folks at CNA and CASI found that we’ve got a long way to go when it comes to boosting our ability to deter conflict on orbit.
To help us understand the report, its findings, and its recommendations, Charles Galbreath and Jennifer Reeves of the Mitchel Institute chat with Dr. Kevin Pollpeter of CASI, plus Dr. April Herlevi and Elizabeth Barrett of CNA.
Credits:
Host: Douglas Birkey, Executive Director, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Producer: Shane Thin
Executive Producer: Douglas Birkey
Guest: Charles Galbreath, Senior Resident Fellow for Space Studies, The Mitchell Institute Spacepower Advantage Center of Excellence (MI-SPACE)
Guest: Jennifer "Boots" Reeves, Senior Resident Fellow for Space Studies, The Mitchell Institute Spacepower Advantage Center of Excellence (MI-SPACE)
Guest: Dr. Kevin Pollpeter, Director of Research, China Aerospace Studies Institute (CASI)
Guest: Dr. April Herlevi, Senior Research Scientist, Center for Naval Analysis
Guest: Elizabeth Barrett, Project Manager, China & Indo-Pacific Security Affairs, Center for Naval Analysis
Read:
Deterring China's Use of Force in the Space Domain
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Jun 14, 2025 • 1h
Quadcopters Do Not Redefine Air Superiority: They Redefine Land Warfare — Ep. 240
Episode Summary:
Combat operations in Ukraine and the Red Sea clearly demonstrate the impact of small lethal drones as portable precision-guided munitions. Some have suggested that their use has made such a change in the character of war that a new category of airspace must be introduced. Casting it as the “air littoral,” they claim the military should move beyond traditional notions of air superiority. Others recognize the significance of lethal drones have their greatest impact on traditional infantry and armor operations. Lt. Gen. Dave Deptula, USAF (Ret.), Lt. Col. Grant Georgulis, and Heather "Lucky" Penney dive into an incredibly insightful discussion on these volatile topics.
Credits:
Host: Heather "Lucky" Penney, Director of Research, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Producer: Shane Thin
Executive Producer: Douglas Birkey
Guest: Lt Gen David A. Deptula, USAF (Ret.), Dean, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Guest: Lt Col Grant "SWAT" Georgulis, Air Force Fellow, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
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Jun 7, 2025 • 57min
Episode 239 — Budget Battles, Golden Dome, and Ukraine’s Strike on Russia: The Rendezvous
Episode Summary:
In this episode, Heather "Lucky" Penney talks to Lt. Gen. David Deptula, USAF (Ret.), Charles Galbreath, and Anthony "Lazer" Lazarski about the top defense issues this month in Washington, D.C. and beyond.
They unpack how the FY26 defense budget is unfolding—what is good and where is it falling short? The factors involving reconciliation versus the standard budget are throwing in some unpredictable factors to consider. They also discuss Golden Dome from a challenges and opportunities perspective. Past that, news coverage suggests that E-7 might be on the chopping block. Are we ready for a set of capabilities that are entirely space-based? Our experts also discuss a broad range of spacepower developments, plus they evaluate Ukraine’s novel strike on Russian bombers. Join us to learn about the latest when it comes to air and space power!
Credits:
Host: Heather "Lucky" Penney, Director of Research, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Producer: Shane Thin
Executive Producer: Douglas Birkey
Guest: Lt Gen David A. Deptula, USAF (Ret.), Dean, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Guest: Charles Galbreath, Senior Resident Fellow for Space Studies, The Mitchell Institute Spacepower Advantage Center of Excellence (MI-SPACE)
Guest: Anthony “Lazer” Lazarski, Principal, Cornerstone Government Affairs
Read:
1. Air Force and Space Force Vectors for the Incoming Trump Defense Team
2. Want Combat Airpower? Then Fix the Air Force Pilot Crisis
3. Air Force Reserve faces steep fighter cuts, uncertain future
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May 31, 2025 • 1h 8min
Episode 238 - Logistics While Under Attack: Key to a CCA Force Design
Episode Summary:
With threats surging around the world, the Air Force must figure out how to reset and do it fast. They can’t just buy more of what the service fielded in past decades. Fighting and winning tomorrow will require new operational concepts and technologies that’ll give airmen an edge.
That’s where CCA come into the mix. They’re designed to bring new capabilities, more capacity, and empower new ways of fighting. But just like the rest of the Air Force aircraft inventory, just buying CCA won’t be enough. Credible, sustainable combat air forces require logistics—personnel, fuel, munitions, ground handling equipment, and other materiel—to generate sorties at scale. Mitchell Institute executed a major exercise in 2024 looking at logistical requirements for CCA—to assess challenges and opportunities. This involved operators, industry, planners, and logisticians. We recently released the report. Join us as we hear from report author Col Mark Gunzinger along with workshop participants Robert “Otis” Winkler of Kratos, Andrew “Scar” VanTimmeren of Anduril, and Scott “Fug” Gilloon of General Atomics.
Credits:
Host: Douglas Birkey, Executive Director, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Producer: Shane Thin
Executive Producer: Douglas Birkey
Guest: Mark Gunzinger, Director of Future Concepts and Capability Assessments, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Guest: Robert “Otis” Winkler, Vice President, Corporate Development and National Security Programs, Kratos
Guest: Andrew “Scar” VanTimmeren, Director of Air Dominance Systems, Anduril
Guest: Scott “Fug” Gilloon, Sector Vice President of Air Force Strategic Development and Capability Assessments, General Atomics
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May 24, 2025 • 53min
Episode 237 — Want Next Gen Electronic Attack? Better Invest in Operational Analysis
Lt Gen David “Kooler” Krumm, a retired USAF officer and current VP at BAE Systems, shares expert insights on the future of electronic warfare. He discusses the critical need for advanced operational analysis to develop next-gen electronic attack capabilities. The conversation highlights the importance of collaboration between military strategists and technology experts to enhance battlefield effectiveness. They explore how the electromagnetic spectrum is transforming warfare and the necessity for innovative training approaches to prepare for evolving threats.

May 17, 2025 • 1h 10min
Episode 236 — China Update: 6th Gen Fighters, Russia Relations, and Taiwan Strait Drills
Episode Summary:
Join us to learn more about the latest developments in Chinese airpower and spacepower developments. Heather Penney and Mike "JDAM" Dahm discuss a wide range of topics, including an update on China’s 6th generation fighters and recent PLA exercises in the Taiwan Strait. They discuss what is happening with more missing PLA generals and dynamics between Xi Jinping and Vladamir Putin. The INDOPACOM Commander Admiral Paparo just testified on the Hill about China’s military and the PLA just released a new national security white paper. We also explore Chinese fighter performance in the recent conflict between Pakistan and India.
Credits:
Host: Heather "Lucky" Penney, Director of Research, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Producer: Shane Thin
Executive Producer: Douglas Birkey
Guest: J. Michael "JDAM" Dahm, Senior Resident Fellow for Aerospace and China Studies, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
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May 10, 2025 • 1h 9min
Episode 235 — Understanding the CCA Edge: Innovators’ Insights
Episode Summary:
Collaborative Combat Aircraft (CCA) stand forth as one of the most important airpower developments of the twenty-first century. We learn more about CCA by talking to two of the people involved with developing and building them: Mike Atwood from General Atomics and Andrew “Scar” Van Timmeren of Anduril.
CCA’s ability to harness the traditional attributes of range, speed, survivability, and a broad range of mission effects with the power of autonomy, artificial intelligence, and manned-unmanned teaming will yield an incredibly powerful tool for airmen and the broader joint military enterprise. We explain this technological journey, explore where the program currently stands, and discuss the pathway for production, test, and initial operational fielding.
Credits:
Host: Heather "Lucky" Penney, Director of Research, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Producer: Shane Thin
Executive Producer: Douglas Birkey
Guest: Michael Atwood, Vice President, Advanced Programs, General Atomics Aeronautical Systems
Guest: Andrew "Scar" Van Timmeren, Senior Director - Air Dominance Systems, Anduril Industries
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May 3, 2025 • 58min
Episode 234 — Defense Budget, Fighter Modernization, and Warfighting in Space: The Rendezvous
In this insightful discussion, guests include Anthony Lazarski, a budget expert from Cornerstone Government Affairs, and Todd Harmer, a senior vice president at American Defense International. They delve into the intricacies of the defense budget and its implications for air and space power. Topics include airpower gaps highlighted by Admiral Paparo, Lockheed's strategy for the F-35, and the operational importance of new military capabilities. The conversation also covers the foundational documents of the Space Force and the evolving landscape of military meteorology.