
"The Cognitive Revolution" | AI Builders, Researchers, and Live Player Analysis
A biweekly podcast where hosts Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg interview the builders on the edge of AI and explore the dramatic shift it will unlock in the coming years.The Cognitive Revolution is part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn more: turpentine.co
Latest episodes

Jun 14, 2025 • 39min
AI Scouting Report: AI Agents -vs- Agentic AI, from Imagine AI Live
Dive into the fascinating world of AI agents and agentic AI systems! Discover how these technologies have evolved from simple automation to autonomous entities. Explore the ethical dilemmas like reward hacking that come with advanced AI. Learn practical strategies for implementing reliable AI agents in business, while emphasizing the importance of collaboration in software development. Nathan shares insights that balance accessibility with in-depth research, aimed at both seasoned experts and newcomers. Get ready for inspiring 'Eureka moments' in the rapidly changing AI landscape!

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Jun 12, 2025 • 1h 24min
The Decade of May 15-22, 2025: Google's 50X AI Growth & Transformation with Logan Kilpatrick
Logan Kilpatrick, a key player at Google DeepMind and former OpenAI team member, shares his insights on Google's dramatic transformation into an AI giant, boasting a 50-fold increase in usage. He discusses the power of Google's infrastructure, the impact of models like Gemini 2.5 Pro, and how this evolution contrasts startups' unique opportunities. The conversation dives into the future of AI, addressing whether leading firms will unify or diversify in their approaches. Logan also offers personal tips for engaging with the AI community and joining early access programs.

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Jun 9, 2025 • 1h 4min
a16z on Protecting Little Tech: The Techno-Optimist AI Policy Agenda with Matt Perault, Head of AI Policy
Matt Perault discusses vital AI regulation aimed at safeguarding small tech startups from being overshadowed by big tech players. Key focus areas include the RAISE Act and California's SB 813. The conversation highlights the necessity of regulating harmful AI applications instead of stifling innovation. Insights on balancing transparency and safety with the need for dynamic regulatory frameworks are explored. Additionally, the complexities of setting appropriate thresholds reveal ongoing tensions within the AI policy landscape.

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Jun 7, 2025 • 2h 3min
Don't Make Mirror Life: Synthetic Biologist Kate Adamala on Risks & Responsibility
Kate Adamala, a University of Minnesota Professor and Synthetic Biologist, discusses the intriguing yet perilous world of synthetic biology. She unpacks the concept of 'mirror life'—biological systems built from mirror-image molecules—and the significant risks they present to ecosystems. Adamala draws parallels to AI safety, stressing the importance of careful innovation. She reflects on her shift from excitement to caution regarding these technologies, advocating for responsible development to maximize benefits while minimizing potential disasters.

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Jun 4, 2025 • 1h 14min
What did Google's AI Co-Scientist "Discover"? The Human Scientists' POV, from the Podovirus podcast
Join José Penadés, a professor studying mobile genetic elements, and Tiago Costa, a structural biologist, from Imperial College London as they unravel the intriguing discovery sparked by Google's AI Co-Scientist. They discuss the role of AI in phage research, revealing how it generated hypotheses about phage-inducible chromosomal islands and their surprising evolutionary connections. This insightful conversation highlights the potential of AI to revolutionize scientific exploration, merging technology with traditional research methods for groundbreaking advancements.

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May 29, 2025 • 1h 53min
Mechanistic Interpretability: Philosophy, Practice & Progress with Goodfire's Dan Balsam & Tom McGrath
In a thought-provoking discussion, Dan Balsam, CTO of Goodfire, and Tom McGrath, Chief Scientist, dive into the exciting world of mechanistic interpretability in AI. They analyze how understanding neural networks can spark breakthroughs in scientific discovery and creative domains. The pair tackle challenges in natural language processing and model debugging, drawing fascinating parallels with biology. Additionally, they underscore the importance of funding and innovative approaches in advancing AI explainability, paving the way for a more transparent future.

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May 22, 2025 • 1h 1min
The Perfect Substrate for AGI, with Replit CEO Amjad Masad
Amjad Masad, the visionary founder and CEO of Replit, dives into the dynamic landscape of AI-assisted coding. He shares how 'vibe coding' enhances creativity and efficiency for users. The discussion highlights Replit's strategic advantages and the role of open-source AI models in navigating complex challenges. Masad emphasizes the importance of user-friendly interfaces and the balance between flexibility and ecosystem loyalty. He also explores the potential of reinforcement learning and autonomous AI, setting the stage for future innovations in the tech industry.

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May 20, 2025 • 1h 44min
The RAISE Act: Minimum Standards for Frontier AI Development, with NY Assembly Member Alex Bores
Alex Bores, a New York State Assembly Member and tech advocate, discusses the RAISE Act, his initiative to establish fundamental safety standards for large AI developers. He shares insights from his tech background and emphasizes the need for clear safety protocols and third-party audits in AI development. The conversation tackles challenges of AI integration in sectors like healthcare, the balance between innovation and public safety, and the imperative for whistleblower protections. Bores encourages public and industry involvement to refine the bill, aiming for responsible AI practices.

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May 17, 2025 • 1h 48min
Gemini Robotics – AI for the Physical World, with Keerthana Gopalakrishnan and Ted Xiao of Google DeepMind
Keerthana Gopalakrishnan and Ted Xiao, researchers at Google DeepMind specializing in Gemini Robotics, delve into groundbreaking advances in robotics. They discuss the rise of humanoid robots and explore how imitation learning is reshaping real-world robotic tasks. The duo highlights the need for embodied reasoning to enhance the practical deployment of robots. Key insights include the importance of effective data in training models and the balance between high-level planning and real-time adaptability, revealing a future where robots integrate more seamlessly into daily life.

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May 15, 2025 • 2h 11min
Titans: Neural Long-Term Memory for LLMs, with author Ali Behrouz
In this engaging discussion, Ali Behrouz, a PhD student from Cornell University, shares insights from his research on enhancing memory in large language models. He introduces the Titans architecture, which mimics human-like memory to tackle coherence challenges in AI. Key topics include the limitations of current models and innovative solutions to catastrophic forgetting. Behrouz also highlights the potential of specialized LLMs in corporate settings, revealing the necessity for improved memory mechanisms to unlock AI's full capabilities in the workplace.