

"The Cognitive Revolution" | AI Builders, Researchers, and Live Player Analysis
Erik Torenberg, Nathan Labenz
A biweekly podcast where hosts Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg interview the builders on the edge of AI and explore the dramatic shift it will unlock in the coming years.The Cognitive Revolution is part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn more: turpentine.co
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Sep 3, 2025 • 1h 51min
In-AI Advertising: Better Answers for Users, Big Questions for Society, with ZeroClick's Ryan Hudson
Ryan Hudson, Founder and CEO of ZeroClick and former founder of Honey, dives into the world of AI-driven advertising. He discusses the evolution from ad blocking to creating a native ad platform tailored for AI applications. Hudson highlights how AI can help developers monetize free services while providing relevant ads. The conversation also touches on shifting user intent patterns, the delicate balance between user privacy and targeted ads, and the future potential for multi-modal advertising experiences that enrich user engagement.

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Aug 30, 2025 • 1h 55min
Material Abundance: Radical AI’s Closed-Loop Lab Automates Scientific Discovery
Joseph Krause and Jorge Colindres, co-founders of Radical AI, discuss their groundbreaking 'materials flywheel' that combines AI with autonomous labs to accelerate materials discovery. They tackle the challenges of traditional development, integrating multimodal data and robotic experimentation to streamline processes. The duo explores innovations like room temperature superconductors and high-entropy alloys, emphasizing the importance of collaboration and curiosity in advancing science. Their vision aims to democratize material innovation and transform various industries.

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Aug 27, 2025 • 2h 2min
Untangling Neural Network Mechanisms: Goodfire's Lee Sharkey on Parameter-based Interpretability
Lee Sharkey, Principal Investigator at Goodfire, focuses on mechanistic interpretability in AI. He discusses innovative parameter decomposition methods that enhance our understanding of neural networks. Sharkey explains the trade-offs between interpretability and reconstruction loss and the significance of his team's stochastic parameter decomposition. The conversation also touches on the complexities of decomposing neural networks and its implications for unlearning in AI. His insights provide a fresh perspective on navigating the intricate world of AI mechanisms.

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Aug 23, 2025 • 2h 4min
What if Humans Weaponize Superintelligence, w/ Tom Davidson, from Future of Life Institute Podcast
Join Tom Davidson, a Senior Research Fellow at the Foresight Center for AI Strategy, as he explores the chilling potential of AI in enabling coups. He discusses three primary threat models: singular loyalties, secret loyalties, and exclusive access, emphasizing the risk posed by AI systems deeply programmed to serve powerful individuals. Davidson warns of geopolitical implications, highlighting how nations could use AI to orchestrate political control abroad. He calls for robust adversarial testing to safeguard against these emerging threats.

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Aug 20, 2025 • 1h 51min
The AI Whistleblower Initiative: Supporting AGI Insiders When It Matters Most, w/ founder Karl Koch
Karl Koch, Co-Founder of the AI Whistleblower Initiative, champions ethical transparency in the AI sector. He discusses the challenges faced by insiders when raising safety concerns and the transformative role of their 'Third Opinion' service for anonymous consultations. Koch emphasizes the campaign urging AI companies to publish clear whistleblowing policies to protect insiders from retaliation. He reflects on the complex emotional dilemmas of whistleblowing, highlighting the need for robust support systems to empower those risking everything to speak out.

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Aug 16, 2025 • 1h 49min
Autonomous Organizations: Vending Bench & Beyond, w/ Lukas Petersson & Axel Backlund of Andon Labs
Join Lukas Petersson and Axel Backlund, co-founders of Andon Labs, as they dive into the world of autonomous AI agents running vending machines. They share tales of unexpected behaviors and safety challenges that arise when AI operates without human supervision. Discover their innovative 'Vending Bench' testing ground and learn about the difference between domain-specific and general AI. The duo also humorously discusses the complexities of AI workflows and the fine line between efficiency and oversight in the rapidly evolving landscape of AI technology.

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Aug 13, 2025 • 3h 14min
Dean W. Ball on America's AI Action Plan & 4 Months at the White House
Dean W. Ball, former White House AI policy advisor, shares his insights on the Trump administration's AI Action Plan. He highlights the importance of private sector innovation in AI regulation while discussing the gap in understanding between the government and AI labs. Dean also delves into the implications of U.S.-China competition in military AI strategies and the concept of agentic commerce. Personal updates reveal his shift toward focusing on family and continuing his work in AI from an external perspective.

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Aug 9, 2025 • 1h 13min
Jake Sullivan on Navigating AI Uncertainty and Managing Competition with China
Jake Sullivan, U.S. National Security Advisor from 2021-2025, discusses AI as a vital national security matter. He introduces a four-category framework—security, economics, society, and technology—to assess AI's impact. Sullivan emphasizes 'managed competition' with China, arguing for intense rivalry coupled with conflict prevention measures. He raises concerns about the Pentagon's slow AI adoption while noting the private sector's significant role in AI development, hinting at the complexities of modern warfare shaped by this technology.

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Aug 6, 2025 • 1h 43min
Sovereign AI: Geopolitical Strategy & Industrial Policy for Countries 3-193, with Anjney Midha, a16z
Anjney Midha, a General Partner at a16z with a wealth of software investment expertise, dives into the world of sovereign AI and the implications of China's semiconductor advancements. He explores how 'sovereign AI' varies between enterprises and nation-states, emphasizing local governance and cultural relevance. Midha highlights the strategic importance of U.S.-led semiconductor partnerships for Europe and warns of Huawei's rapidly closing gap in AI capabilities. His insights into balancing national interests with technological independence are both captivating and essential for understanding today's geopolitical landscape.

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Aug 2, 2025 • 1h 24min
The Revolution in Services: General Catalyst's AI Rollup Strategy, with Marc Bhargava
Marc Bhargava, Managing Director at General Catalyst, dives into the innovative world of AI-enabled roll-ups. He explains how systematic analysis uncovers service sectors where AI can automate up to 70% of tasks. The conversation highlights the transformation possibilities for industries like accounting and legal services, sparking debate on employment impacts. An emphasis is placed on the strategic integration of AI into workflows while addressing concerns around job security, marking a hopeful yet cautious approach to the future of work.