

"The Cognitive Revolution" | AI Builders, Researchers, and Live Player Analysis
Erik Torenberg, Nathan Labenz
A biweekly podcast where hosts Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg interview the builders on the edge of AI and explore the dramatic shift it will unlock in the coming years.The Cognitive Revolution is part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn more: turpentine.co
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Jul 22, 2025 • 1h 56min
Private Governance: Creating a Market in AI Regulation, with Dr. Gillian Hadfield & Andrew Freedman
Dr. Gillian Hadfield, a leader in AI regulation at Johns Hopkins, and Andrew Freedman from Fathom explore the creation of private regulatory markets for AI governance. They propose a system that differentiates between goal-setting by governments and technical rule-making by private certifiers, aiming to enhance safety standards. Key discussions include avoiding a race to the bottom among certifiers and lessons from cannabis regulation. The urgency for accountability and adapting legal frameworks around AI also take center stage, addressing the complexities of liability and compliance.

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Jul 16, 2025 • 39min
The Dawn of Dynamic AI: RFT Comes Online, w/ Predibase CEO Dev Rishi, from Inference by Turing Post
Dev Rishi, CEO and co-founder of Predibase, dives into the revolutionary shift from static to continuously learning AI systems. He explains how reinforcement learning can adapt via ongoing user feedback, showcasing its potential in healthcare and finance. Rishi also discusses the challenges of implementing these dynamic models, like reward hacking and maintaining quality. The conversation highlights the possibilities of 'practical specialized intelligence' as a more stable alternative to traditional AGI, and how it can reshape various economic niches.

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Jul 10, 2025 • 1h 32min
Cracking the Medical Code: Why Cleveland Clinic Doctors Love Their Ambience Healthcare AI Scribe
Brendan Fortuner, Head of Engineering at Ambience Healthcare, and Ben Shahshahani, Chief AI Officer at Cleveland Clinic, discuss the revolutionary impact of AI on medical documentation. They reveal how AI scribing can improve medical coding accuracy, significantly reduce administrative burdens, and enhance clinician satisfaction. With successful implementation strategies, Cleveland Clinic achieved a remarkable 75% adoption rate among physicians after just one use. The conversation also explores challenges in billing code integration and the promise of AI to improve patient care and operational efficiency.

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Jul 8, 2025 • 1h 45min
The Data Factory: Inside the $100B Race for Post-Training Supremacy, with Labelbox CEO Manu Sharma
In this engaging discussion, Manu Sharma, Founder and CEO of Labelbox—known for providing cutting-edge training data to AI labs—explores the evolution of AI training methods. He highlights the shift from simple labeling to sophisticated reinforcement learning environments. Sharma reveals how AI labs are investing massively in training data and discusses the nuances of post-training strategies. He shares insights on the competitive AI landscape, the importance of human data, and the interplay of creativity and AI in modern industries.

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Jul 5, 2025 • 1h 23min
Cheat on Everything: Cluely's Vision for Always-On AI Assistance
Roy Lee, Founder and CEO of Cluely, talks about his standout AI startup that recently snagged a $15 million investment. He introduces Cluely’s real-time assistant, which provides covert insights during meetings. Roy shares his audacious 'cheat on everything' philosophy, tackling the implications of copyright and privacy norms. The discussion touches on how young people's perspectives on work and creativity are shifting in an AI-dominated world, urging society to rethink its relationship with rapidly advancing technologies.

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Jul 2, 2025 • 1h 28min
The AI Village: Previewing the Giga-Agent Future with Adam Binksmith, Founder of AI Digest
Adam Binksmith, founder of AI Digest, dives into his innovative AI Village project, where multiple AI agents like Claude and Gemini collaborate to achieve shared goals. He shares intriguing stories of agents raising money for charity and organizing real-world events, showcasing their surprisingly human-like behaviors. Binksmith discusses the mix of coordination failures and quirky personalities that arise in this environment, while teasing the competitive elements of the upcoming season focused on selling merchandise online. Tune in for insights into the future of multi-agent AI systems.

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Jun 28, 2025 • 1h 25min
402 Payment Required: a New Way for AI Agents to Pay, with Nemil Dalal, Dev Platform Lead @ Coinbase
Nemil Dalal, Developer Platform Lead at Coinbase and co-creator of the X402 protocol, dives into the revolutionary potential of cryptocurrency payments for AI agents. He explains how the dormant HTTP 402 status code is being repurposed for digital transactions, paving the way for AI economic participation. The discussion also covers stablecoin dynamics, security measures like multi-signature wallets, and the vision of AI agents autonomously managing funds. Dalal addresses the need for reputation systems and how this technology might disrupt traditional advertising models.

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Jun 25, 2025 • 1h 25min
2-Sigma in 2 Hours: How Alpha Schools are Using AI to Revolutionize Education
MacKenzie Price, founder of Alpha School & 2 Hour Learning, champions a groundbreaking educational model that leverages AI to reduce traditional study time to just 2 hours a day while enhancing learning rates. She discusses the unique role of teachers as mentors rather than content deliverers, focuses on personalized curriculum systems paired with adaptive learning apps, and emphasizes the importance of emotional support in education. The conversation highlights how this AI-driven approach retains academic standards and fosters deeper student engagement and creativity.

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Jun 21, 2025 • 1h 28min
Living Lindy: a No-BS Conversation on AI Agents with Flo Crivello
Flo Crivello, CEO of the AI agent platform Lindy, shares his deep insights on AI agents, stripping away the hype to highlight what's actually effective. He discusses the importance of model selection, fine-tuning, and the role of human oversight in developing AI agents. Flo also sheds light on the evolution of AI capabilities, expresses skepticism about excessive optimism in AI trends, and emphasizes the need for structured workflows. The conversation is a treasure trove of practical advice for AI builders navigating the evolving landscape of intelligent systems.

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Jun 19, 2025 • 1h 40min
Embryology of AI: How Training Data Shapes AI Development w/ Timaeus' Jesse Hoogland & Daniel Murfet
Jesse Hoogland and Daniel Murfet, co-founders of Timaeus, pioneer AI safety with their focus on developmental interpretability based on Singular Learning Theory. They discuss the complex, jagged landscapes of neural networks and how their Local Learning Coefficient can identify critical training phase changes. This innovative approach aims to catch safety issues early, providing a more structured methodology for AI development. Their insights reveal the intricate relationships between training data, model behavior, and alignment, pushing for a principled engineering discipline in AI.