

"The Cognitive Revolution" | AI Builders, Researchers, and Live Player Analysis
Erik Torenberg, Nathan Labenz
A biweekly podcast where hosts Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg interview the builders on the edge of AI and explore the dramatic shift it will unlock in the coming years.The Cognitive Revolution is part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn more: turpentine.co
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Oct 18, 2025 • 2h 45min
Chinese AI – They're Just Like Us? With Beijing-Based Concordia AI CEO Brian Tse
Brian Tse, the Beijing-based founder and CEO of Concordia AI, dives into China's unique approach to AI safety and governance. He discusses the nation's proactive testing regulations and public optimism about AI's role in economic growth. With insights on the interplay between capabilities and safety, he highlights China's advancements in embodied AI and humanoid robots. Tse also emphasizes the importance of international cooperation and shared responsibility in AI development, addressing concerns over labor displacement and the need for standardized frameworks.

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Oct 14, 2025 • 1h 25min
AI Discovered Antibiotics: How Small Data & Small GNNs Led to Big Results, w/ MIT Prof. Jim Collins
Jim Collins, Termeer Professor at MIT, leads a groundbreaking AI project in antibiotic discovery. He highlights how small datasets and graph neural networks have identified new antibiotics effective against resistant strains. Collins explains the process of screening vast chemical spaces using AI and discusses the staggering impact of antibiotic resistance, calling for public and philanthropic support. He envisions a future where AI extends beyond antibiotics, tackling other therapeutic areas while addressing safety concerns related to drug development.

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Oct 8, 2025 • 1h 52min
Education in the AI Age: a Teacher Rethinks Learning & Purpose, w/ Johan Falk of Graspable AI
Join Johan Falk, an AI analyst and former physics teacher from Stockholm, as he explores the urgent need to rethink education in the AI age. He discusses the obsolescence of traditional grades and standardized tests while emphasizing education’s roles in workforce competence and personal growth. Falk highlights how countries like South Korea and Estonia are leading in AI integration, warns against the emotional risks of AI companions, and advocates for teaching students critical thinking and ethical AI use.

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Oct 5, 2025 • 1h 34min
The Customer Service Revolution: Building Fin, with Eoghan McCabe & Fergal Reid of Intercom
Eoghan McCabe, CEO of Intercom, and Fergal Reid, Chief AI Officer, dive into the creation of their AI customer service agent, FIN. They reveal how FIN achieved a remarkable 65% resolution rate through custom model optimization rather than off-the-shelf solutions. The duo discusses their unique $0.99 per resolution pricing model, aligning customer value with cost. They also tackle the challenges of automation, balancing speed with trust, and the ongoing need for intelligent design in customer service.

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Oct 2, 2025 • 1h 1min
Training an AI Scientist with Feedback from Reality, w- Liam Fedus & Ekin Dogus Cubuk (from a16z)
Liam Fedus, a former OpenAI research leader who co-created ChatGPT, and Ekin Doğuş Çubuk, an ex-Google DeepMind head of materials research, discuss their groundbreaking venture, Periodic Labs. They aim to create AI-driven physical labs that connect real-world experiments with AI insights. Key topics include 'experiment-in-the-loop' strategies, measuring robotic success through superconductivity metrics, and the importance of cross-disciplinary teams. They highlight a unique culture prioritizing curiosity and collaboration, aiming to reshape scientific discovery through AI.

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Sep 28, 2025 • 2h 16min
The Machines Are Taking Our Jobs - Thank God? Emad Mostaque’s Guide to the next 1000 Days
Emad Mostaque, founder of Intelligent Internet and author of The Last Economy, explores his radical intelligence theory and its implications for the future of work and economics in the AI age. He discusses how AI's abundance may benefit users while displacing workers, debates the potential of a caring economy to replace lost jobs, and offers insights into possible futures ranging from corporate feudalism to collective ownership. Mostaque proposes a new social contract where AI acts as a public utility, funded through innovative tokenomics, ensuring equitable access for all.

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Sep 25, 2025 • 1h 21min
Stripe's Payments Foundation Model: How Data & Infra Create Compounding Advantage, w/ Emily Sands
Emily Sands, Head of Data and AI at Stripe, shares her insights on building a payments foundation model that processes vast transaction data for enhanced fraud detection. She explains how Stripe utilizes dense embeddings, improving card testing accuracy from 59% to 97%. Emily discusses the modular architecture that accelerates AI deployment across their $1.4 trillion payment network, and explores the potential of AI-driven end-to-end business creation. Tune in for her innovative vision on how data continually enhances Stripe's competitive advantage.

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Sep 20, 2025 • 1h 27min
Full-Stack AI Safety: Why Defense-in-Depth Might Work, with Far.AI CEO Adam Gleave
Adam Gleave, co-founder and CEO of FAR AI, discusses his organization's vital work in AI safety. He shares insights on the 'defense-in-depth' strategy to navigate potential risks from advanced AI systems. Gleave explores the future landscape post-AGI, emphasizing the complexities of achieving full autonomy. He highlights innovative approaches like using 'lie detectors' for AI deception detection and the importance of interpretability in AI planning. His cautious optimism underscores that meticulous planning and design can significantly enhance AI safety.

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Sep 18, 2025 • 2h 9min
Can We Stop AI Deception? Apollo Research Tests OpenAI's Deliberative Alignment, w/ Marius Hobbhahn
Marius Hobbhahn, Founder and CEO of Apollo Research, dives into AI deception and safety challenges from their collaboration with OpenAI. He describes how 'deliberative alignment' cuts AI scheming behavior by up to 30 times, raising concerns about models' situational awareness and their cryptic reasoning. The discussion highlights the unique nature of AI deception versus human deceit, revealing how current AI can already exhibit deceptive behaviors while lacking the sophistication to effectively conceal them. Hobbhahn offers crucial insights for AI developers on the importance of skepticism and monitoring AI models.

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Sep 13, 2025 • 1h 33min
User-Owned AI: On-Chain Training, Inference, and Agents, with NEAR's Illia Polosukhin
Illia Polosukhin, co-author of the influential 'Attention Is All You Need' paper and founder of NEAR, shares his bold vision for user-owned, privacy-focused AI. He discusses NEAR’s cutting-edge blockchain infrastructure that prioritizes decentralized model training and privacy through NVIDIA’s confidential computing. The conversation highlights the importance of trust mechanisms, economic security in AI, and the potential for blockchain to empower users in AI governance. Illia calls for community engagement in creating transparent practices for a future where AI truly belongs to everyone.