

The Coaching Psychology Pod
Dr. Natalie Lancer | The British Psychological Society
This podcast is brought to you by the Division of Coaching Psychology, part of the British Psychological Society. We unpack Coaching Psychology and will help you take a thoughtful and considered approach to your coaching practice.
Every month, host, Dr Natalie Lancer, Chartered Psychologist and Secretary of the Division of Coaching Psychology, brings you a conversation with a panel of selected experts where we talk about specialised coaching topics that will directly impact your work as a coach.
As you are listening, to find out more, head to the Division of Coaching Psychology’s webpage on the British Psychological Society’s website.
We would love to hear your thoughts and reflections on the podcast. Please email us at docp-tcppod@bps.org.uk
Every month, host, Dr Natalie Lancer, Chartered Psychologist and Secretary of the Division of Coaching Psychology, brings you a conversation with a panel of selected experts where we talk about specialised coaching topics that will directly impact your work as a coach.
As you are listening, to find out more, head to the Division of Coaching Psychology’s webpage on the British Psychological Society’s website.
We would love to hear your thoughts and reflections on the podcast. Please email us at docp-tcppod@bps.org.uk
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Dec 1, 2024 • 1h 1min
10: Technology in Coaching
In this insightful discussion, Sam Isaacson, a coachtech thought leader, Nicky Terblanche, an academic and leadership coach, and Alex Haitoglou, co-founder of an AI platform, tackle the intersection of AI and coaching psychology. They highlight the critical need for coaches to understand technology and adapt to rapid advancements while preserving human interaction. The trio examines potential benefits and ethical challenges of AI, the importance of balancing tech with personal connection, and future trends like conversational AI, emphasizing coaching's evolution in a tech-driven landscape.

Nov 1, 2024 • 1h 8min
09: Humour in coaching
In this podcast episode, host Dr. Natalie Lancer is joined by Angie Belcher, Harriet Beveridge and Stuart Goldsmith to explore the intersection of humour and coaching. Angie, a comedian and comedy educator, shares her experience using stand-up as a therapeutic tool for diverse groups, including men at risk of suicide and army veterans. Harriet, a corporate coach, key-note speaker and stand-up comedian, discusses humour's role in offering new perspectives and building rapport. Stuart, a corporate speaker on the Climate Crisis and Resilience gives us insights on using humour to facilitate personal growth and cultural change. We discuss: How can you use humour in coaching? Where is the intersection between comedy and coaching? How can comedy be used to build rapport? In what ways can comedy be used as a therapeutic or coaching tool? What’s the link between comedy and trauma? How do you coach people to learn comedy? What is the purpose of humour and making people laugh? How are psychological models used in comedy? How can we use comedy to help people take a different perspective? What can we learn from comedians about vulnerability, resilience and authenticity? There are many transferable skills we can take from comedy to enhance our coaching practice such as relationship building and creating psychological safety. Furthermore, working with comedy can help clients reframe risk and failure and cultivate their ability to get into a peak performance state. We also explore the role of comedy in a variety of settings including building new mothers’ confidence and working with NHS patients, army veterans and men at risk of suicide. Our guests today are: Harriet Beveridge is an executive coach providing support challenge to senior individuals and teams, stand-up comic and keynote speaker, helping individuals, teams and organisations in the corporate world to ‘stand up and thrive’. She blends business coaching, comedy and neuroscience. Harriet has appeared on BBC Radio 4 and TEDx talking about the power of humour to raise wellbeing and performance. She has taken four solo stand-up comedy shows to the Edinburgh Fringe. Her latest show focussed on ‘neuroscience with lashings of laughs’. She is co-author of the bestselling business book, ‘Will It Make The Boat Go Faster?’ and has over 20 years’ coaching experience. Harriet is also a mental health first aider and is currently studying for an MSc in the Psychology and Neuroscience of Mental Health at King’s College, London. Angie Belcher is a coach, comedian, award-winning workshop trainer, comedy educator and keynote speaker, specialising in the link between comedy, mental health and personal development. Her Comedy On Referral programme uses stand-up comedy workshops to help people in recovery from trauma for the NHS, and she was also commissioned by the NHS to provide stand-up comedy projects for men at risk of suicide through the charity Rethink. She teaches comedy to CEOs and staff at major organisations and has a daytime comedy club AFTERMIRTH and ELDERMIRTH providing entertainment to new parents and people in care homes respectively. She holds a post-graduate diploma in Humanistic Psychology for Leadership, Facilitation and Coaching. In 2022 Bristol Live named Angie Bristol’s 2nd most influential woman for her pioneering work in comedy and health. The Hague awarded her ‘World Comedian of Emancipation 2022’. Stuart Goldsmith is an internationally award-winning comedian, corporate speaker and writer. Stuart is also the host of the internationally renowned podcast: The Comedian’s Comedian. He has interviewed many of the comedy world’s household names, including Jimmy Carr, Bo Burnham, Sarah Millican and James Acaster. He is the creator of the popular Resilience Presentation, a 45-minute business-focussed session which offers a fresh take on cultivating resilience. Stuart’s stand-up career has seen him win several awards and he has taken seven solo stand-up shows to the Edinburgh Festival Fringe. He has performed at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival, the New Zealand International Comedy Festival and made multiple appearances at the prestigious, invitation-only Just For Laughs Festival in Montreal. In 2019, he performed stand-up on the TBS chat show Conan, in the US. Your host, Dr Natalie Lancer, is a Chartered Coaching Psychologist, and British Psychological Society (BPS) Registered Supervisor. She is the Chair of the BPS’s Division of Coaching Psychology and an accredited member of the Association for Coaching. She is the host of this podcast series and invites you to email any comments to docp-tcppod@bps.org.uk https://www.bps.org.uk/member-networks/division-coaching-psychology © British Psychological Society 2024

Oct 1, 2024 • 1h 20min
08: Neurodiversity in Coaching
In this insightful discussion, Cara Langford Watts, a coaching psychologist specializing in neurodivergent support, and Pippa Simou, who empowers women with ADHD, join Almuth McDowall, an expert in organizational psychology, and Francoise Orlov, a master practitioner coach. They tackle the importance of inclusive coaching for neurodivergent clients, exploring challenges like underdiagnosis in women with ADHD, the need for tailored approaches in workplaces, and effective strategies for ethical coaching practices that genuinely support individual needs.

Sep 1, 2024 • 1h 15min
07: Trauma-informed Coaching
In this episode, Dr. Natalie Lancer and Julia Vaughan Smith, Kate Brassington, and Jenny Rogers, explore the nuances of trauma-informed coaching. The panel give thought to the complexities and responsibilities involved in trauma-informed coaching, discussing the internal dynamics of trauma, its influence on coaching practices, and the importance of sensitivity to clients' experiences. The conversation covers the distinctions between coaching and therapy, ethical considerations, and the skills necessary for trauma-informed coaching, such as presence, attunement, and reflective practice. The importance of safeguarding, establishing boundaries, and self-care for coaches is also addressed. We consider: What is trauma and how can we recognise it in our coaching practice? What are the reasons why clients seek trauma-informed coaching? What are the benefits for the client of working with a trauma-informed coach? Where is the overlap between coaching and therapy in addressing trauma-related issues? How can we address trauma in coaching? What are the core qualities and skills needed to coach in a trauma-informed way? How can we train to become a more trauma-informed coach? Do self-care and supervision look different for trauma-informed coaches? How should we contract appropriately for client safety? What are the risks, safe-guards and limits of trauma-informed coaching? In what ways can coaching contribute to trauma healing? Our experts shared their approaches to working with trauma in coaching, for example, understanding clients' backstories without explicitly using the term “trauma”. Trauma can be subtly present in coaching sessions, even when clients may not explicitly seek help for trauma-related issues. Trauma-informed coaching helps clients process trauma in the present and integrate their experiences in safe ways through creating a trusting environment where they feel heard and understood. Our guests today are: Jenny Rogers is a leader in a new approach to coaching which combines insights from psychotherapy with the pragmatic emphasis on change, drawing on a career in coaching spanning three decades. She works with senior clients in the law, medicine, finance, healthcare, performing arts and media who typically face a major transition in their lives. Jenny won the Henley Business School Award for Outstanding Contribution to Coaching in 2019. She is the author of Are You Listening? and nine other books on coaching. Julia Vaughan Smith is an Accredited Master Executive Coach and Supervisor and was in private practice as a Psychotherapist, focusing on trauma processing and healing. Together with Jenny Rogers, she has co-facilitated Masterclasses and associated workshops on trauma and coaching. She is the author of a number of books including ‘Coaching and Trauma’, ‘Therapist to Coach’, and ‘Daughters: How to Untangle Yourself from Your Mother’, exploring the impact of developmental and ancestral trauma on this relationship and how to become untangled. Kate Brassington is a Coaching Psychologist (GMBPsS) and PCC ICF-certified Trauma Informed Coach who researches applied coaching strategies. She has published her research on resilience training for people in high-risk occupations. She hosts a podcast called ‘Refreshing Leadership’ which brings to life applied trauma-informed coaching for leaders in all walks of life. She works with a wide range of people from teens to 70+’s; with executives, retirees, solo-entrepreneurs, and more. She offers pro-bono coaching to military amputees through the charity BLESMA. Your host, Dr Natalie Lancer, is a Chartered Coaching Psychologist, and British Psychological Society (BPS) Registered Supervisor. She is the Chair of the BPS’s Division of Coaching Psychology and an accredited member of the Association for Coaching. She is the host of this podcast series and invites you to email any comments to docp-tcppod@bps.org.uk https://www.bps.org.uk/member-networks/division-coaching-psychology © British Psychological Society 2024

Aug 1, 2024 • 1h 15min
06: Psychodynamics in Coaching
In this episode of The Coaching Psychology Pod, host Dr. Natalie Lancer, with Raul Aparici, an integrative coach and psychotherapist, and Dr. Susan Kahn, a psychodynamic coaching psychologist, engage in a rich discussion about the nuances of psychodynamic coaching. We explore the wounded and celebrated self, emphasising the need for coaches to be self-aware and to understand their own vulnerabilities. The conversation also covers the contributions of influential thinkers such as Winnicott and Bion, and the use of creative techniques in coaching. The importance of ethical boundaries, supervision, and respecting client defenses in deep psychodynamic work is highlighted. We ask: What is psychodynamic coaching? What is the difference between psychotherapy and psychodynamic coaching? Which tools and concepts are useful in psychodynamic coaching? Does goal-setting show up in psychodynamic coaching? What are the challenges in using psychodynamic terminology with clients? Why is containment, referral and maintaining boundaries in the coaching relationship important? What roles do supervision, reflective practice and self-awareness have in psychodynamic coaching work? Who are influential thinkers in the field of psychodynamic coaching? How can we train in psychodynamic coaching? What are the risks and rewards of psychodynamic coaching? The importance of taking a client-centred approach is emphasised in psychodynamic coaching. It privileges understanding the unconscious and the here and now in coaching relationships, such as unpicking transference and counter transference in coaching sessions. Psychodynamic coaching draws upon a rich lineage of a specific set of assumptions and philosophical foundations, aspects of which we cover in our conversation. Learn how this distinctive approach can be integrated into your coaching practice with expert guidance and education in this field. Our guests today are: Dr Susan Kahn is a Chartered Coaching Psychologist and Business Psychologist, an executive coach, consultant, mediator, BPS registered supervisor and author. She writes about below the surface dynamics at work and her research interests encompass vulnerability, conflict, leadership and resilience. She has written three books, Death & the City: On Loss, Mourning and Melancholia at Work; Bounce Back, How to Fail Fast and be Resilient at Work and Reinvent Yourself: Psychological Insights that will Transform your Work Life. She is also a lecturer at Birkbeck, University of London, teaching coaching and organisational psychology, and is a faculty member at the School of Life, working with businesses to develop their emotional intelligence. Raul Aparici is a coach, psychotherapist, consultant and facilitator. He is the Head of Faculty for The School of Life, a global organisation focussed on delivering psychological and philosophical insights to help people learn, heal and grow. With a diverse background in literature, fitness, management and consulting, an MA in Critical theory, and an MA in Gestalt Therapy Theory, he is driven by curiosity and a desire to help others make the most out of their current situation and likes to match academic insights with commercial pragmatism. He provides Equine Assisted Coaching and Leadership Consulting with Operation Centaur in Richmond Park and he is the former Programme Director for Coaching Psychology at Birkbeck College, University of London. Your host, Dr Natalie Lancer, is a Chartered Coaching Psychologist, and British Psychological Society (BPS) Registered Supervisor. She is the Chair of the BPS’s Division of Coaching Psychology and an accredited member of the Association for Coaching. She is the host of this podcast series and invites you to email any comments to docp-tcppod@bps.org.uk https://www.bps.org.uk/member-networks/division-coaching-psychology © British Psychological Society 2024

Jul 1, 2024 • 1h 50min
05: Neuroscience in coaching
Divine Charura, a chartered coaching psychologist, joins neuroscientist Sarah McKay, psychotherapist Gry Osnes, and Amy Brann, founder of Synaptic Potential. They dive into how neuroscience informs coaching practices. The discussion highlights the significance of neuroplasticity in personal growth, the risks of misapplying neuroscience concepts, and how emotional understanding can enhance leadership. They emphasize the need for brain-friendly work environments and challenge common neuromyths, offering actionable insights for coaches to apply in their sessions.

Jun 1, 2024 • 53min
04: Coach Development, Self-awareness and the Concept of Self
In this podcast episode, Dr. Natalie Lancer hosts a discussion on the role of coach development, self-awareness and the concept of self in coaching. Dr. Julia Carden presents her research on self-awareness, distinguishing it from self-knowledge and self-consciousness. Heather Frost explores the concept of self, drawing on her doctoral research looking at 25 belief systems, highlighting its complexity and the practical impact of understanding a client’s concept of self. Dr Elizabeth Crosse details the three developmental strategies that emerged through her doctoral research: the craft, the being and the art of coaching. We examine: • Why is self-awareness important for coaches? • What is the difference between self-awareness and the concept of self? • How are self-awareness, self-knowledge, and self-consciousness linked? • What are the challenges involved in demonstrating competency vs capacity development? • How can we utilise the coach’s and coachee’s self-awareness in coaching practice? • What do clients’ beliefs about self mean for how coaches tailor their coaching? • How can the three underpinnings of concept of self: stability vs instability, thoughts of self as a unique expression of me vs the self as an illusion, and unity versus multiplicity, be used to generate a concept of self scale? • How does understanding the concept of self increase the coach’s self awareness of beliefs and bias? And how can this benefit coaching outcomes? • What is the difference between Continuous Personal and Professional Development (CPPD) and Continuous Professional Development (CPD)? • Why is it more helpful to think of coach development as a learning journey than a linear progression? • How do we know what coaching development opportunities to invest in? • What are some practical ways to develop self-awareness? Self-awareness enables coaches to forge deeper connections with clients and furthermore, it seems we can only take clients as far as we have gone ourselves. We discussed how a focus on preparing the self rather than content, allows coaches to trust their abilities and concentrate on other aspects of their practice. As we wrapped up the episode, the guests shared how engaging and reflecting in formal and informal professional and personal experiences have influenced their development. Our guests today are: Dr Julia Carden is an accredited Master Practitioner Coach with the EMCC, a Professional Certified Coach with the ICF, an accredited coaching supervisor and is a Visiting Tutor at Henley Business School. Julia was an officer in the Royal Navy, and then specialised in assessment and development centre work, and Learning and Development. She fundamentally believes that as coaches we must first, and continue to do, the work on self – because who we are is how we coach. This approach is underpinned by her PhD research which explored the role of self-awareness in the development of the coach. She is a NLP Master Practitioner, an accredited Time to Think Coach, a Fellow of the CIPD, and is licensed to use a range of psychometrics. Julia completed the Henley MSc in Executive Coaching and Behavioural Change in 2014. Heather Frost is the Founder of People and Practice, Co-founder of Think Perspective, an accredited coach, Doctoral Researcher and Visiting Tutor at Henley Business School. She is a Henley accredited coach, an accredited Senior Practitioner with the European Coaching & Mentoring Council (EMCC Global), and an accredited Coach with the International Coaching Federation (ICF). Heather has over 20 years of global experience coaching individuals, teams, leaders, and organisations for systemic behaviour change and development. With an MSc in Coaching & Behaviour Change from Henley Business School (UK) and a Bachelor’s Degree in Psychology (BPsych) with a minor in Philosophy from the University of Newcastle in Australia, she holds the Professional Certificate in Executive Coaching from Henley Business School (PCEC), and is also a Breakthrough Coaching Advanced Practitioner from WBECS (now coaching.com). Dr Elizabeth Crosse is a Master Certified Coach (MCC) and works as a coach, mentor and supervisor. Her practice focuses on Continuous Professional and Personal Development. This has evolved from over 30 years of involvement with the coaching profession and being a research practitioner interested in how coaches develop expertise. Elizabeth is passionate about lifelong learning. She has navigated dyslexia and dyspraxia to transition from an early career in education to becoming a senior HR professional specialising in people development before setting up her coaching-consultancy business, specialising in strategic leadership. Along the way, she became a fellow of the CIPD, a Master Credentialed Coach with the ICF (MCC) and completed a Diploma in Coaching Supervision. She achieved three Master’s degrees (Education, Counselling Psychology and Coaching and Mentoring) and a Doctorate in Coaching and Mentoring. Your host, Dr Natalie Lancer, is a Chartered Coaching Psychologist, and British Psychological Society (BPS) Registered Supervisor. She is the Chair of the BPS’s Division of Coaching Psychology and an accredited member of the Association for Coaching. She is the host of this podcast series and invites you to email any comments to docp-tcppod@bps.org.uk https://www.bps.org.uk/member-networks/division-coaching-psychology © British Psychological Society 2024

May 1, 2024 • 38min
03: Our vision for the future: Where is the DoCP going?
Join Paula Dixon, a Business & Coaching Psychologist, Sarah Brooks, an ICF and EMCC accredited coach, and Natasha Vorrasi, a Chartered Coaching Psychologist. They delve into the future of coaching psychology, discussing paths to chartered status and the high standards necessary for recognition. The group highlights the DoCP's vision, focusing on inclusivity and ethical practice. They also share insights on personal journeys, professional growth opportunities, and the development of a comprehensive coaching psychologist toolkit, aiming for global leadership in the field.

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Apr 1, 2024 • 1h 3min
02: Presence, Self-Care and Reflective Practice
In this episode, Dr. Natalie Lancer and her guests, Anthony Eldridge-Rogers, Maria Iliffe-Wood, and Dr. Iain McCormick, explore the significance of self-care, presence, and reflective practice in coaching psychology. They discuss the role of self-care in managing the challenges coaches face. The conversation highlights the importance of meaning-centred coaching and the impact of coaching presence on creating a nurturing environment for clients as well as coaches. Reflective practice is also examined as a tool for professional development. We explore: What is self-care, presence, and reflective practice and how are they linked? What’s the relationship between reflective practice and supervision? What is the significance of working with meaning for both clients and coaches? What is whole-person coaching? How can self-care help coaches build strong, co-created relationships with clients? How can we ensure that we are role-modelling self-care to our clients? How can we further develop our ability to be present to our clients? How can we counteract negative self-talk and ‘heroic thinking’ in order to be a better coach? What does the research say on the effectiveness of reflective practice? In this conversation we ask what self-care, presence, and reflective practice mean practically for both the coach and the coachee, and the impact that they have on coaching outcomes. Furthermore, we can consider self-care, presence, and reflective practice as tools for professional development, self-improvement for our own well-being and as part of a duty of care to our clients. Our guests today are: Dr Iain McCormick is the founder of the Executive Coaching Centre in Auckland, New Zealand. He initially trained in clinical psychology, working in the forensic sector, and subsequently completed his PhD studying work stress during a long overland traverse of Antarctica. Iain then moved into organisational consulting, becoming a Partner in Deloitte, working in Canada and New Zealand. He subsequently moved to Hong Kong where he helped build a consulting and coaching firm that was sold to a US multinational. He returned to New Zealand in 2000 and started the Executive Coaching Centre. He currently coaches a range of board directors, chief executives and senior managers. Iain has been running intensive reflective practice sessions for coaches since 2020. In 2023 he published the book ‘Reflective Practice for Coaches: A Guidebook for Advanced Professional Development’. Maria Iliffe-Wood has been a leader, coach and mentor for over 30 years. She is also a Coach Supervisor. She is MD of Meridian Iliffe Ltd, a small leadership development consultancy. She helps business leaders with leadership, team and coach development. She has a broad experience working with a range of business sectors including housing, retail, financial, construction and charity sectors, both in the public and private sector. She holds several postgraduate qualifications related to coaching, mentoring and coach supervision. She is the author of ‘Coaching Presence, Building Consciousness and Awareness into Coaching Interventions’, which has been published in three languages and has been read in over 20 different countries. She is a member of the Association for Coaching and the Association of Coaching Supervisors. Anthony Eldridge-Rogers is an executive coach, supervisor, coach trainer and organisational consultant in human wellbeing and coaching. He has worked with board members, CEOs, senior management teams and entrepreneurs as both coach and mentor within the context of recovery, wellness and leadership. He has co-authored a book on Recovery & Wellness Coaching Tips (due to be published in 2024 by Routledge) and is a contributor to the WECoach Coaching Tools book series. He set up and runs specialist recovery and wellness coach training and consultancy, FRC Worldwide, which delivers his Recovery and Wellness Coach training programme based on the Meaning Centred Coaching ModelTM he developed. He is CEO of Jump Fall Fly, an arts-based social project with young people and families to work on their recovery and wellbeing. He is a member of the Association for Coaching. Your host, Dr Natalie Lancer, is a Chartered Coaching Psychologist, and British Psychological Society (BPS) Registered Supervisor. She is the Chair of the BPS’s Division of Coaching Psychology and an accredited member of the Association for Coaching. She is the host of this podcast series and invites you to email any comments to docp-tcppod@bps.org.uk https://www.bps.org.uk/member-networks/division-coaching-psychology © British Psychological Society 2024

Mar 1, 2024 • 1h 19min
01: Realities of running or working for a coaching business
In this insightful discussion, Professor Jonathan Passmore, an internationally renowned psychologist, Xenia Angevin, a coaching psychologist specializing in atypical neurodevelopment, and Kaveh Mir, a master certified coach for executives, explore the evolving landscape of coaching. They dive into the balance between expertise and experience, the impact of digital platforms on coaching practices, and how coaches can carve out their unique identity. Expect tips on navigating the gig economy, the need for inclusivity in coaching, and the lucrative possibilities for both novice and expert coaches.