

OrgDev with Distinction
Dani Bacon and Garin Rouch
The Org Dev podcast is all about Organisational Development, a practice that has the power to transform organisations, shape cultures, and empower individuals. Yet, it's often shrouded in mystery and misunderstood. But fear not, because on this podcast, we pull back the curtain to reveal the inner workings of Organisation Development. We demystify the concepts, unravel the strategies, and delve into the real-life experiences of professionals who are driving real and significant change and innovation within organisations.
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Jul 24, 2025 • 46min
Become a Next Generation HR Leader with Dave Ulrich and TV Rao - OrgDev Episode 75
We'd love to hear from you so send us a message!What if the future of HR isn’t about getting a seat at the table - but redesigning the table altogether?In a world shaped by paradox, uncertainty and stakeholder pressure, the next generation of HR leaders must be architects of value—not just participants in strategy.It’s about creating human capability that drives stakeholder value—for employees, customers, communities, investors and boards. For this episode, we're joined from the US by the Father of modern HR, Dave Ulrich and the Father of HRD in India, TV Rao. They’re both architects of the Global HR Leadership Experience (GHRLE), a new 100 day development program aimed at preparing the next generation of HR leaders who can deliver value for multiple stakeholders across global contexts.Wish you had a handy recap of the episode? So did we. That’s why each week in our Next Step to Better newsletter, we’re sharing From Pod to Practice – a 2-page visual summary of each episode designed to help you take the learning from the podcast and into your work. You’ll get: ■ Key insights from the episode ■ A reflection prompt ■ A suggested action Sign up now to get From Pod to Practice delivered to your inbox each week: https://distinction.live/keep-in-touch/ About Us We’re Dani and Garin – Organisation Development (OD) practitioners who help leaders and people professionals tackle the messiness of organisational life. We focus on building leadership capability, strengthening team effectiveness, and designing practical, systemic development programmes that help you deliver on your team and organisational goals. We also offer coaching to support individual growth and change. Find out more at www.distinction.live We'd love to connect with you on Linked In:linkedin.com/in/danibacon478https://www.linkedin.com/in/garinrouch

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Jul 18, 2025 • 59min
Organisation Development in the Age of Uncertainty with Toby Lindsay - OrgDev Episode 74
Toby Lindsay, a Senior Consultant at The King’s Fund and an expert in organizational development, shares valuable insights about navigating complexity in leadership. He discusses the critical misalignment between strategy and change, stressing the need for collaborative leadership. The conversation delves into action learning sets as powerful tools for fostering community and reflection. Toby also reflects on the balance between social justice and client needs and emphasizes the importance of supporting the new generation of consultants in their careers.

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Jul 10, 2025 • 1h 15min
Agility, AI and OD with Professor Chris Worley - OrgDev Episode 73
We'd love to hear from you so send us a message!What does it really take to build a responsive, high-performing organisation – one that learns, adapts, and endures? Today, we’re joined all the way from California by one of the world’s leading thinkers on organisation agility, Dr Chris Worley – co-author of The Agility Factor and a pioneer in the fields of organisation development, strategic change, and design. In this episode, we explore what agility really means (beyond the buzzword), how AI is reshaping organisational life, and what it takes to lead through complexity.Wish you had a handy recap of the episode? So did we. That’s why each week in our Next Step to Better newsletter, we’re sharing From Pod to Practice – a 2-page visual summary of each episode designed to help you take the learning from the podcast and into your work. You’ll get: ■ Key insights from the episode ■ A reflection prompt ■ A suggested action Sign up now to get From Pod to Practice delivered to your inbox each week: https://distinction.live/keep-in-touch/ About Us We’re Dani and Garin – Organisation Development (OD) practitioners who help leaders and people professionals tackle the messiness of organisational life. We focus on building leadership capability, strengthening team effectiveness, and designing practical, systemic development programmes that help you deliver on your team and organisational goals. We also offer coaching to support individual growth and change. Find out more at www.distinction.live We'd love to connect with you on Linked In:linkedin.com/in/danibacon478https://www.linkedin.com/in/garinrouch

Jul 4, 2025 • 48min
Dark Patterns - Why Good Managers Do Bad Things with Guido Palazzo - OrgDev Episode 72
We'd love to hear from you so send us a message!Business Ethics - Corporate Scandals and Failure - CEO FailingsWhy do good people do bad things? What drives epic ethical failure in organizations? Have you ever read about a corporate scandal in the news and thought that next time, it could be you and your organization? Probably not. We all tend to believe that bad things are done by bad people. And since we consider ourselves to be decent human beings, we don’t believe we would ever engage in similar behavior. And yet, most of the time, it is normal people like you and me who push organizations over the ethical edge.In this episode, we’re joined by Professor Guido Palazzo. Professor Guido is a globally recognised expert on why unethical behaviour occurs in organisations. He is author of the brilliant book Dark Patterns (also available on Audiobook!)Wish you had a handy recap of the episode? So did we. That’s why each week in our Next Step to Better newsletter, we’re sharing From Pod to Practice – a 2-page visual summary of each episode designed to help you take the learning from the podcast and into your work. You’ll get: ■ Key insights from the episode ■ A reflection prompt ■ A suggested action Sign up now to get From Pod to Practice delivered to your inbox each week: https://distinction.live/keep-in-touch/ About Us We’re Dani and Garin – Organisation Development (OD) practitioners who help leaders and people professionals tackle the messiness of organisational life. We focus on building leadership capability, strengthening team effectiveness, and designing practical, systemic development programmes that help you deliver on your team and organisational goals. We also offer coaching to support individual growth and change. Find out more at www.distinction.live We'd love to connect with you on Linked In:linkedin.com/in/danibacon478https://www.linkedin.com/in/garinrouch

Jun 26, 2025 • 44min
Systemic Leadership - Seeing Patterns Not Just People | Dr Martin Miksits - OrgDev Episode 71
We'd love to hear from you so send us a message!What does it mean to take a systemic approach to leadership and change? It means focusing not just on individuals, but on the patterns, relationships, between people, teams and different parts of the organisation. It also explores how leaders and team members make sense of what’s happening around them. Who better to help us explore this powerful approach to understanding the social worlds of organisations than Dr Martin Miksits. Dr. Martin is a leading consultant and academic in this exciting and fascinating field!Wish you had a handy recap of the episode? So did we. That’s why each week in our Next Step to Better newsletter, we’re sharing From Pod to Practice – a 2-page visual summary of each episode designed to help you take the learning from the podcast and into your work. You’ll get: ■ Key insights from the episode ■ A reflection prompt ■ A suggested action Sign up now to get From Pod to Practice delivered to your inbox each week: https://distinction.live/keep-in-touch/ About Us We’re Dani and Garin – Organisation Development (OD) practitioners who help leaders and people professionals tackle the messiness of organisational life. We focus on building leadership capability, strengthening team effectiveness, and designing practical, systemic development programmes that help you deliver on your team and organisational goals. We also offer coaching to support individual growth and change. Find out more at www.distinction.live We'd love to connect with you on Linked In:linkedin.com/in/danibacon478https://www.linkedin.com/in/garinrouch

Jun 19, 2025 • 58min
OD in the C-Suite - OD as a Strategic Function with Thomas Lindqvist, King - OrgDev Episode 70
We'd love to hear from you so send us a message!What happens when the Organisation Development team doesn’t sit in HR – but reports directly to senior leadership instead? What difference does it make reporting into the C-suite? How does it shape the culture, how decisions are made and ways of working? Thomas Lindqvist is Senior Director of Organisational Development at King – and he shares his perspective on how OD can play it's full role in the C-suiteWish you had a handy recap of the episode? So did we. That’s why each week in our Next Step to Better newsletter, we’re sharing From Pod to Practice – a 2-page visual summary of each episode designed to help you take the learning from the podcast and into your work. You’ll get: ■ Key insights from the episode ■ A reflection prompt ■ A suggested action Sign up now to get From Pod to Practice delivered to your inbox each week: https://distinction.live/keep-in-touch/ About Us We’re Dani and Garin – Organisation Development (OD) practitioners who help leaders and people professionals tackle the messiness of organisational life. We focus on building leadership capability, strengthening team effectiveness, and designing practical, systemic development programmes that help you deliver on your team and organisational goals. We also offer coaching to support individual growth and change. Find out more at www.distinction.live We'd love to connect with you on Linked In:linkedin.com/in/danibacon478https://www.linkedin.com/in/garinrouch

Jun 5, 2025 • 1h 1min
Learning that Moves the Needle with Michelle Parry-Slater - OrgDev Episode 69
We'd love to hear from you so send us a message!Learning and Development that moves the needle. How do you design learning for high performance. What kind of friction is slowing your organisation down—and is it the kind that challenges, or the kind that quietly corrodes performance? In Organisation Development, we often look to build capability, improve systems, and align people to strategy. But sometimes the biggest gains come not from adding new layers, but from removing the friction that’s already there.. Our guest expert Michelle Parry-Slater is on a mission to explore this area and offers a practical take on how to spot and reduce these points of dragMichelle Parry-SlaterFollow Michelle on LinkedIn / michelleparryslater Go to the Kairos website: https://www.kairosmodernlearning.com/Buy the Learning and Development Handbook here: (use the code at the checkout)https://www.koganpage.com/hr-learning...Get your 20% discount code here: LDH2Wish you had a handy recap of the episode? So did we. That’s why each week in our Next Step to Better newsletter, we’re sharing From Pod to Practice – a 2-page visual summary of each episode designed to help you take the learning from the podcast and into your work. You’ll get: ■ Key insights from the episode ■ A reflection prompt ■ A suggested action Sign up now to get From Pod to Practice delivered to your inbox each week: https://distinction.live/keep-in-touch/ About Us We’re Dani and Garin – Organisation Development (OD) practitioners who help leaders and people professionals tackle the messiness of organisational life. We focus on building leadership capability, strengthening team effectiveness, and designing practical, systemic development programmes that help you deliver on your team and organisational goals. We also offer coaching to support individual growth and change. Find out more at www.distinction.live We'd love to connect with you on Linked In:linkedin.com/in/danibacon478https://www.linkedin.com/in/garinrouch

Jun 2, 2025 • 54min
Alignment The Multiplier for Team Performance with Lindsay Uittenbogaard Mirror Mirror - OrgDev Episode 68
We'd love to hear from you so send us a message!Why does progress feel harder than it should, even when everyone’s working flat out? Why do good teams struggle to have the right conversations, make clear decisions, or follow through effectively?In this episode of the OrgDev Podcast, we explore the invisible drag on performance: team misalignment. When people act on different assumptions, even the most committed teams end up stuck in confusion, slow decisions and fractured collaboration.It’s not about effort – it’s about shared understanding. And alignment is what cuts through the fog. But alignment doesn’t just happen.That’s why we’re joined by Lindsay Uittenbogaard, Founder of Mirror Mirror and a leading expert on team alignment, to discuss:What alignment really means (beyond just agreement)Why misalignment is often overlookedHow to make alignment a standard part of how teams workIf you’re leading change, running teams or supporting strategy delivery – this episode is for youGo to the Mirror Mirror website: https://mirrormirroralignment.com/Follow Lindsay and Mirror Mirror on Substack: https://mirrormirroralignment.substac...Become a Mirror Mirror Practitioner: https://mirrormirroralignment.com/get...Wish you had a handy recap of the episode? So did we. That’s why each week in our Next Step to Better newsletter, we’re sharing From Pod to Practice – a 2-page visual summary of each episode designed to help you take the learning from the podcast and into your work. You’ll get: ■ Key insights from the episode ■ A reflection prompt ■ A suggested action Sign up now to get From Pod to Practice delivered to your inbox each week: https://distinction.live/keep-in-touch/ About Us We’re Dani and Garin – Organisation Development (OD) practitioners who help leaders and people professionals tackle the messiness of organisational life. We focus on building leadership capability, strengthening team effectiveness, and designing practical, systemic development programmes that help you deliver on your team and organisational goals. We also offer coaching to support individual growth and change. Find out more at www.distinction.live We'd love to connect with you on Linked In:linkedin.com/in/danibacon478https://www.linkedin.com/in/garinrouch

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May 23, 2025 • 59min
What Agile Leadership Really Looks Like -Linda Holbeche - OrgDev Epsiode 67
Linda Holbeche, a prominent researcher and author of 'The Agile Organisation', dives deep into the essence of agile leadership. She discusses how organizations can adapt and thrive amid rising expectations and limited resources. The conversation highlights the importance of resilience and innovation, alongside the tensions leaders face between control and empowerment. Holbeche also emphasizes the need for structured experimentation and upskilling employees to navigate the complexities of today’s fast-paced environment. Her insights pave the way for meaningful change in HR and organizational development.

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May 15, 2025 • 51min
Making Smarter Moves with Systems Thinking with Derek Cabrera and Laura Cabrera - OrgDev Episode 66
Derek Cabrera, a distinguished systems and cognitive scientist from Cornell University, and Laura Cabrera, an expert in systems thinking and leadership, share their insights on navigating complex organizational challenges. They discuss the vital role of systems thinking in improving decision-making and aligning mental models among leaders and teams. The conversation highlights innovative educational methods to nurture systemic skills in students. Additionally, they introduce the Thinking Quotient (TQ) as a tool to assess cognitive abilities and transform learning experiences.