Love in a F*cked Up World

Tourmaline and Morgan Bassichis join Dean Spade on this episode of Love in a F*cked Up World. Tourmaline, Morgan, and Dean talk about how sites of capture and violence, like sexuality, romance and love, are also sites of pleasure and freedom, and how complex that tangle can be in the day to day. They also talk about what it means to support each other and the many lessons they’ve learned from each other over the course of multiple decades of friendship, collaboration, and trans abolitionist organizing.Transcript available at https://deanspade.net/podcastFor more Morgan:Can I Be Frank? - Morgan’s show at Soho Playhouse starting July 24! https://www.morganbassichis.comQuestions to Ask Before Your Bat MitzvahThe Odd YearsFor more Tourmaline:Marsha: The Joy and Defiance of Marsha P. Johnson@tourmaliiineAlso mentioned in this episode:Critical ResistanceSONGCUAVLaraajiJoanna Macy, World as Lover, World as SelfJessica Fern, Polysecure / Polywise

Morgan Bassichis, an anti-Zionist and comedy artist, joins Dean Spade to explore handling hard feelings like jealousy and possessiveness. They discuss the importance of embracing emotions without shame and using humor as a tool for understanding. The conversation emphasizes self-compassion and playfulness in navigating complex emotions, especially within friendships and sexual relationships. Listeners are encouraged to view feelings of envy as opportunities for connection and creativity, paving the way for more fulfilling interactions.

adrienne maree brown joins Dean Spade for the first episode of Love in a F*cked Up World. adrienne and Dean talk about collectivity, working in fractals to overcome feelings of overwhelm, pleasure, and letting go of ownership and possessiveness to build abundant support systems.Transcript available at https://deanspade.net/podcastBooks, podcasts, and more from adrienne maree brown: https://adriennemareebrown.net/ @adriennemareebrown adrienne maree brown's books:Loving Corrections (AK Press, 2024)Holding Change: The Way of Emergent Strategy Facilitation and Mediation (AK Press, 2021)We Will Not Cancel Us And Other Dreams of Transformative Justice (AK Press, 2020)Pleasure Activism: The Politics of Feeling Good (AK Press, 2019)Emergent Strategy: Shaping Change, Changing Worlds (AK Press, 2017)Octavia's Brood: Science Fiction Stories from Social Justice Movements (AK Press, 2015) Grievers (AK Press, 2021)Maroons (AK Press, 2023)Ancestors (AK Press, 2025)adrienne maree brown's podcasts:How to Survive the End of the World (with Autumn Brown)Octavia's Parables (with Toshi Reagon) Also mentioned in this episode: WALL-E (film, 2008)Fumbling Towards Repair: A Workbook for Community Accountability Facilitators by Mariame Kaba & Shira Hassan (AK Press, 2019)Woman on the Edge of Time by Marge Piercy (Knopf, 1976)SURJ: A home for white people working for justiceCatalyst Project: Anti-Racism for Collective LiberationMovement Memos podcast by Kelly HayesDaniel Hunter (educator and activist) 

For over 25 years, Dean Spade has been working in movements for queer and trans liberation and to end police, prisons, immigration enforcement, and war. His new podcast, Love In A F*cked Up World, offers concrete tools and conversations about how we can build and sustain strong relationships, because our connections to each other are the building blocks of all of our movements.