
The Emergent Strategy Podcast
The official podcast of the Emergent Strategy Ideation Institute - each episode we dive deeply into the life, practice and experimentation of a person or group who we see as living embodiments of emergent strategy. Emergent Strategy is about how we get in right relationship with change - what are the simple interactions that can shift and shape complex systems and patterns? Hosts are Sage Crump, Mia Herndon and adrienne maree brown.
Latest episodes

Nov 24, 2022 • 50min
Building New Worlds with Ashoka Finley
Ashoka Finley is an emergent strategist and the founder of hypha, a subscription that funds climate solutions. This week, Ashoka and adrienne meet to talk about elemental practices, feeling wholeness in liminal spaces, and what it means to build a new world.
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Nov 17, 2022 • 48min
Controlling Our Narrative with Vicki Meek
Vicki Meek is an artist, curator, arts administrator, and cultural critic whose career spans decades. This week, Vicki joins Sage to talk about Elizabeth's Catlett's influence, collaborating with artists from different disciplines, and reimagining the Black archive.
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Nov 10, 2022 • 1h 17min
The Power of Play and Imagination with Chelsea Cleveland
Chelsea Cleveland is an organizer, facilitator, and the co-founder of Hearing Youth Voices, a youth organization based in New London, CT. Chelsea joins Yanitza, facilitation cohort member and former ESII staff, and Mia, this week's ESII host, to talk about listening to disabled people, dreaming about an Octavia Butler tarot deck, and thinking of loneliness as a process of fermentation.
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Nov 3, 2022 • 56min
Holding Change with Micky ScottBey Jones
Micky ScottBey Jones, The Justice Doula, is an author, speaker, and healing justice practicioner. In this IG Live Interview, adrienne talks with Micky about brave space, plagiarism, accountability, call-outs, and learning in public.
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Oct 27, 2022 • 1h 5min
Imagining What's On The Other Side with Makani Themba
Makani Themba is an author, innovator, and currently the Chief Strategist at Higher Ground Change Strategies based in Jackson, MS. A long-time organizer, Makani meets with ESII host, Sage, to discuss genealogies, the economy as a set of relationships, and the power of imagination.
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Oct 20, 2022 • 55min
Black Feminist Futures with Paris Hatcher
Paris Hatcher is the executive director of Black Feminist Future, a political hub focused on the dynamic possibilities of galvanizing the social and political power of Black women, girls, and gender-expansive people towards liberation. Paris joins Mia to talk about being deliberately emergent, learning from the natural world, and Black feminism as a call to transformative justice.
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Oct 13, 2022 • 57min
Metabolizing Fear with Briana Herman-Brand
Briana Herman-Brand is a teacher, facilitator, and parent. This week, she joins adrienne to talk about trusting from within, the possibilities of co-housing, and unlearning processes from white supremacist culture.
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Oct 6, 2022 • 49min
Declaring the Self You Want with Alta Starr
A sonic treat this week with BOLD organizer Alta Starr. Alta is a bodyworker, organizer, poet, and tarot reader. Alta converses with ESII host, Sage, about existentialism, our agency when it comes to imbuing circumstance with meaning (or not), and tarot use for less predictive outcomes and more as a space for reflection, play, and reinterpretation of the world around us.
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Sep 29, 2022 • 1h 2min
Minding Your Relations with Adaku Utah
Adaku Utah is a 6th generation Igbo healer and the organizing director of the National Network of Abortion Funds. Adaku and Mia meet to talk about organizing and providing services to communities outside of the parameters of the state, and Adaku points to the work that is required for tending to our relationships. They also leads listeners through a centering practice. So find a place that brings you comfort and press play.
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Sep 22, 2022 • 54min
Civic Alchemy with Yazmany Arboleda
Yazmany Arboleda is the People's Artist for New York City through the Civic Engagement Commission. This week, Yazmany joins adrienne to talk about the possibilities of creating an active, experimental, and more imaginative and democratic engagement with the people who make up a place.
Transcript found here.