Naylor's Natter Podcast 'Just talking to Teachers'

This week I am in conversation with Mary Myatt on her book Curriculum- From Gallimaufry to coherence Mary Myatt is an education adviser, writer and speaker. She works in schools talking to pupils, teachers and leaders about learning, leadership and the curriculum. She maintains that there are no quick fixes and that great outcomes for pupils are not achieved through tick boxes. She writes and speaks at conferences about leadership, curriculum and school improvement. 'Mary Myatt combines encyclopedic knowledge of schools with crystal-clear description of curriculum principles – a must-read for all those involved in improving education. Globally, new attention is being given to curriculum principles and curriculum practice. Mary Myatt’s book is major contribution to this debate. Few books range so effectively across curriculum theory and day-to-day practice in the classroom – Mary Myatt does this with huge authority and extreme clarity.' Tim Oates CBE, Group Director of ARD,
 (Assessment Research and Development) ‘This book weaves together theory, research, policy, and practice to provide educators at every stage of their career a practical guide to coherent curriculum design. Chapters divided by subject and strategy make it easy to keep coming back to, whilst Mary’s humorous and intelligent prose make it a pleasure to read.’ Claire Hill, Head of English and Media Studies, Dover Grammar School for Girls ‘This book has been invaluable and really balances theory, critical argument and practical applications for how we can achieve this in our curriculum planning and subject CPD.’ Aja Cortizo, Professional development Team Lead, Glyn School ‘This is exactly what I needed to read before the team goes to rewrite the curriculum this term. It is definitely a must read to completely rethink the curriculum because it covers all aspects to truly ensure ‘high challenge and low threat’ across all subjects. I’m so excited about redesigning the teaching and learning to ensure children are engaged and inspired.’ Flora Barton, Headteacher, Crowmarsh Gifford CE Primary School Teacher Development Trust Section  This week Bethan is in conversation following TDT's work with Ignite TSA . http://www.welcometoignite.co.uk/about-us/ Podcast Pedagogy Section Matthew Evans talks to you, the listeners about his new book ahead of a full podcast in the New Year. Leadership is an ill-defined domain, drowning in abstract theories and models of expertise. School leadership suffers from this lack of a satisfactory and useful definition of leadership, and has of late been drawn in to generic approaches to school improvement which have left the workforce feeling anything but `well led'. How do we put `substance' back in to school leadership? This book draws on the lessons of cognitive science and explores the specific things that school leaders do, arguing for a notion of school leadership rooted in the realities of leaders' daily experiences. It presents a case for how school leaders can develop their expertise and, in doing so, places domain-specific knowledge at the heart of school improvement efforts. Publisher: John Catt Educational Ltd Shameless Plugs I countdown the top 10 Naylor's Natter's of 2019 with a homage to Top of the Pops 

A homage to Top of the Pops , its a lighthearted chart rundown of this years most listened to podcasts. No offence meant , only huge gratitude!  I do not own the music - credit to Paul Hardcastle and his track 'The Wizard' which just happened to be on the radio in the background. All episodes available here.

This week I am in conversation with Primary research and evidence guru Neil Almond . Neil has been on a journey of discovery , from incorporating research into his own teaching through to presenting at rED events . We discuss this journey and the challenges of incorporating evidence into the primary curriculum. As Neil describes on his blog: "I’m starting my 5th year of teaching and those years have lead to varying degrees of success and lessons that I needed to learn. It’s only in the last 6 to 9 months that I feel that I am actually getting somewhere with it and now my interest in educational research and edu-twitter are turning things that I thought I knew around. The picture is poignant to the profession as a whole. We need to carefully tread the path, often not knowing where the path ends, what twist/turns/obstacles we will encounter on the way or what educational gale force wind will try to blow us off. These are my ramblings as I try to navigate this path. I will not claim that I have answers to anything, or that what I am suggesting will work for you, in your context. These are my ramblings; they will focus on three key areas: teaching and learning, educational research and curriculum. If these ramblings help you navigate your path, then that is a fantastic bonus for me. I hope you enjoy…" Neil's blog site  https://nutsaboutteaching.wordpress.com/ Teacher Development Trust Section  David Weston, CEO of the TDT kicks off this weeks show out on location again in sunny Blackpool. This week , he is interviewing St George's Lead Practitioner Bea Tingey . Bea describes how St George's recent success in outcomes for pupils has been driven by a culture of professional learning . Bea talks about that culture and how it has been developed and the logistics of planning out CPD . Many people have visited St George's recently to see this in action and I know this is something they welcome , so get in touch with Bea here: https://twitter.com/Tingemeister Podcast pedagogy  I am very happy to have received contributions for this feature so this will be returning next week. 

This weeks natter is with Bukky Yusuf and is timed to coincide with the eve of #teacher5aday week starting 2nd December. Bukky Yusuf is a Secondary Science Teacher, Consultant and Qualified Coach. Bukky has worked in education for over two decades and teaches secondary sciences to A level. She has undertaken a number of leadership roles within mainstream and special schools, centring around professional development programmes, quality first teaching and learning and effective implementations of Educational Technology. As part of her commitment to increase diverse leadership within education, Bukky participates with a number of initiatives including WomenEd and BAMEed. She is a London Regional Leader for WomenEd and is registered as a leadership coach as part of a pilot programme run by the Department for Education. Bukky’s keenness for education and the impact that educators can make is reflected in the presentations that she delivers at local and national levels. Furthermore, Bukky supports the development of educators at all levels and promotes projects that help colleagues to maintain their well-being. Podcast Pedagogy This week I have been reading Martyn Reah's blogs on his experience of launching #teacher5aday and the upcoming week . In Martyn's words: Five years on from launching #teacher5aday at the SSAT National conference https://martynreah.wordpress.com/2014/12/06/teacher5aday/ instead of presenting at the teachmeet this time #teacher5aday has reached the main stage. A five day focus for leaders and teachers to develop a positive approach to well-being. A start of something which will hopefully become a regular event in school calendars across the country. The aim of the week is to celebrate the successes of the previous five years. To bring all of the best elements of #teacher5aday from social media and into as many staff rooms across the country as possible. To curate and create a festival of well-being and provide a one stop shop for busy teachers and leaders across the country to find resource which will have an impact on their well-being and that of their colleagues. Working with the amazing team behind National Careers Week #NCW2020 a website is under construction to host all the resources which will allow the well-being conversation to continue after the 6th of December. The week will be themed around the five aspects of #teacher5aday which was based on New Economic Foundations 5 ways to well-being https://neweconomics.org/2011/07/five-ways-well-new-applications-new-ways-thinking . Monday #CONNECT Tuesday #NOTICE Wednesday #LEARN  Thursday #EXERCISE Friday #VOLUNTEER Dr Sue Roffey has started the conversations for leaders and leadership teams to consider about getting invovled in the week. https://martynreah.wordpress.com/2019/10/05/national- Shameless plugs: SSA Teach Meet , BrewEd Ossy and the rED trilogy of Brum, Blackpool and Rugby all get a plug TDT Section  David Weston  kicks off the show  this week with the TDT section. 

Jules Daulby is a literacy and inclusion expert, podcaster of The Inclusive Classroom and co-founder and national leader of #WomenEd, a grassroots organisation created to support existing and aspiring women leaders. She started out her teaching career as an English and Drama teacher and until December, 2018 was Director of Education for literacy charity, Driver Youth Trust.  Jules’ quest is to find a way to make classrooms inclusive and allow all children to thrive.  She has a particular fascination with  inclusive design of knowledge organisers, text books, worksheets and presentations.  All her work is grounded in expert knowledge and experience of literacy and SEND in particularly dyslexia and ADHD. Jules believes that all behaviour is communication and accountability pressures can sometimes create environments where students with SEND are not valued.  It is her ambition to persuade OFSTED to reward inclusion rather than exam results and push the DfE into making exams more accessible for young people who have speed of processing and memory difficulties.  Jules is a prolific blogger and tweeter and co-founder and national leader for the grassroots organisation, @WomenEd created to support existing and aspiring women leaders. https://julesdaulby.com/contact-me/jules-daulby/ We natter about: 1) Potted history of your career to this point - as much as you like .  What is values based education?    2) In one of your excellent blogs on your website , you state that literacy is freedom . What do you mean by this?  3) How do we make our classrooms more inclusive?   4) Is all behaviour communication? What do you say to people who disagree with this ? Do you use your excellent reasons you disagree bingo card?   How do we give send learners an equal shot at education    5) Should parents particularly in secondaries be seen as part of the solution (to whatever issues their child is having) not considered the problem. 6)Into pedagogy , do card sorts get a bad press?   7)in well-being , could you tell us about your blog  ‘the art of imperfection' and the crap-o-meter.   8)Tell is about your work with women Ed and your top 6 books by female educators . Podcast pedagogy This week I am reading 'Building Belonging' by Cathal Lynch TDT Section TDT Head of Education talks to Steve Poland about CPD in post 16 education

Tom is the Executive Headteacher of Simon de Senlis Primary School and currently work across eleven primary schools as the Education Director of Northampton Primary Academy Trust.  Tom is a former Advanced Skills Teacher who has spent the last 17 years leading in schools across different contexts, counties and countries.  He has spent the last 10 years as a Headteacher in Northamptonshire. In between Headships, Tom experienced life in industry via an 18 month secondment in the EdTech industry working alongside schools, academies, local authorities and multi-national companies. Tom is  married  with three beautiful children, he  occasionally plays in a Beatles Tribute Band and is the Chairman of Ups ‘n’ Downs – a  charity supporting families affected by Down’s syndrome. I nattered to Tom about: Usual journey to point question- selected highlights from your career to date . As much or as little as you like . Wholesome leadership has been a game changing leadership text . You discuss in the intro whether the world needed another education book , what were the 4 reasons you decided the book was worth writing ? For those new to the book tell us about your H4 leadership model . Moving into section 2 and the first of the Hs , how self aware are we as leaders? Do we all have a particular style of leadership and what are the advantages of this and the potential pitfalls ?  In chapter 4 you outline 10 building blocks for great staff culture , could you share some of those with listeners and how do leaders build ethos and professional culture ?  Into the second H , you use sir David Carters 4 stage model of improving a school. Have you seen this model being used and how do leadership styles fit into it ? How do you establish a culture of accountability that doesn’t rely purely on the fear of OFSTED ?  Into the hands now , what responsibility do leaders have for sustained professional development , how do we strike the balance between the priorities of the school and the development of individual teachers ?  Use of external expertise also vital for example , the ambition ECF work , a vital strand to our CPD which also ties into school priorities whilst meeting the needs of the individuals.   Could you tell us about the leapfrog conversations model and it’s importance in people management?    Lastly into health , how can leaders create a healthy balance whilst still maintaining credibility in the staffroom ?  How do we guard against becoming a martyr ?   Is it like the aeroplane safety demonstration where you put on your mask first before helping your child ?   How do we move from superficial wellbeing gimmicks into clear systems and pathways ?  Where can we see you next ?   How can we find out more ? In podcast pedagogy I am looking at Daniel Sobel's Leading on Pastoral Care and listener Nikki Smith is talking about the influence of Jill Berry's work on her practice.  Shameless plugs South Shore Academy Teach Meet  https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/ssa-teachmeet-tickets-79868126717?aff=ebdssbdestsearch Brew Ed Ossy https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/brewedossy-tickets-78805006897?aff=ebdssbdestsearch Don't forget #teacher5aday . I am continuing to #exercise via my daily cycle commute. 

This week I am in conversation with Educationalist, Author, Writer,Consultant, Orator and Liberal Artist Mr Martin Robinson. Martin is a Teacher with 20 years experience working in state schools in London. Martin was an AST,Head of Department,Head of Faculty and an Assistant Headteacher. Martin is interested in developing teaching and learning building on the tradition of grammar, dialectic and rhetoric.  We are nattering this week about Martin's latest book which I consider to be an essential read namely 'Curriculum-Athena versus the Machine' . This book has fundamentally changed my view on the rationale for a knowledge rich curriculum, moulded my thinking on extra-curricular activities and engendered cognitive dissonance when I consider Martin's views on educating for freedom. The book explores the educational value of a curriculum rooted in the pursuit of wisdom and advocates the enshrinement of such a curriculum as the central concern of an academic institution. Martin argues that teachers need to be liberated from policy-led prescription in order to design curricula which brings subjects forward rather than the pursuit of outcomes. TDT Section This week we have a TDT excellence hub school , South Shore Academy launching a TeachMeet as a way to promote all the amazing work going on in Blackpool . They will have teachers from the school and experts from all over the area sharing their wisdom. Tickets are available here  https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/ssa-teachmeet-tickets-79868126717?utm-medium=discovery&utm-campaign=social&utm-content=attendeeshare&utm-source=strongmail&utm-term=listing Podcast Pedagogy  This week I am reading 'Talking to Strangers' by Malcolm Gladwell. This is a research based book which examines the varying ways we misinterpret or fail to communicate with each other. This is a real page turner and I recommend it to you all along with Gladwell's back catalogue and his revisionist History podcast . Shameless Plugs BrewEd Ossy https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/brewedossy-tickets-78805006897?utm-medium=discovery&utm-campaign=social&utm-content=attendeeshare&utm-source=strongmail&utm-term=listing Teacher5aday https://twitter.com/teacher5aday?lang=en Wholesome Leadership  https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wholesome-Leadership-Health-School-Leaders/dp/1911382705 Martin Robinson  https://www.martinrobinson.net/

This week I am joined by Steve Oakes and Martin Griffin and we are discussing their VESPA system looking at the importance of non-cognitive skills in educational success . This episode really helped me get back to the roots of what this podcast is all about, talking to teachers about evidence and research. Martin and Steve draw on 40 years of combined experience and a great knowledge of educational research. They pull together current thinking from psychology, business and sport to inspire, motivate and support students ensuring they achieve their full potential. Their VESPA model outlines 5 key components to success namely vision, effort, systems, practice and attitude.  This is a fascinating episode as both Martin and Steve speak with such authority and gravitas about their model. We discuss their book 'The A level mindset' , we like to cover all phases of education on Naylor's Natter. This episode will be particularly beneficial to those who teach A level but some of the strategies are universally applicable. https://www.vespamindset.com/the-mindset-books Teacher Development Trust section Michelle is in conversation with John Collier in Stoke discussing the impact of TDT's excellence hubs and the power of collaboration.  https://tdtrust.org/ Podcast Pedagogy Section This week I have been reading 'The Educated Guess" by Warwick Sharp.  https://www.theeducatedguess.org.uk/

This week I am in conversation with Pupil Premium and vulnerable learners champion Marc Rowland. Marc is a Research School Director, an author and (he wouldn't admit this himself-he's way too modest) an expert on the use of the Pupil Premium. We discuss the history of PP, the enduring relationship between family income and school success. We look at how thinking on PP has shifted with the recent EEF guide and the new DfE guidance. Marc also confronts some popular myths and misconceptions and gives you some concrete advice to take and action in your schools.  The questions discussed are: Talk about ‘updated guide to pupil premium ‘  The measure of a successful education system whether at local or national level should be how its disadvantaged pupils perform - is this measure being used?  Are we making progress nationally on outcomes for disadvantaged pupils?    Do we in discourse obsess on the gap?    Imagine you are a listener who has just been appointed Pupil Premium lead , where should their journey of discovery start? What is your test and learn approach for new PP funding activities .   Myths to discuss :  Pupil premium funding must be spent on interventions   I must attend courses to improve my knowledge of PP . Most disadvantaged pupils are culturally illiterate and disinterested so we need to take them on an engaging visit to a theme park / farm /ballet?   Only eligible children can benefit from PP spending?All data is good data , in school attainment data by teacher is a good predictor of the gap?   What are you working on at the moment? Where can listeners find out more ? Useful links: :https://researchschool.org.uk/rosendale/news/beware-of-the-matthew-effect/ https://researchschool.org.uk/news/pupil-premium/ https://educationendowmentfoundation.org.uk/evidence-summaries/pupil-premium-guide/ https://www.gov.uk/guidance/pupil-premium-effective-use-and-accountability Podcast Pedagogy  This week I am reading Curriculum- Athena versus the Machine. You may not agree with all of Martin's points but you will be stimulated by his arguments. This is a must read for all school leaders .  Martin will be a guest on an upcoming show. TDT Section  Maria is discussing CPD excellence hubs with Expert Adviser, Alex Beauchamp.  Get Involved! This podcast is entitled 'talking to teachers' so I really would like to hear how you have used guests work to influence your practice in your classrooms. Send me a 1 minute clip from your phone to p3nay91@gmail.com and you can feature next week!

This week on Naylor's natter , I am delighted to be joined by Dame Alison Peacock, the Chief Executive of the Chartered College of Teaching . Professor Dame Alison Peacock was appointed in August 2016 and became the Chartered College’s Chief Executive on 1 January 2017. Prior to joining the Chartered College, she was Executive Headteacher of The Wroxham School in Hertfordshire. Her career to date has spanned primary, secondary and advisory roles. She is a member of the Royal Society Education Committee, a peer member of the Teaching Schools Council and a trustee of both the Chartered Institute of Educational Assessors and of Teach First. In March 2015, Alison was appointed by the Department for Education as a member of the commission on assessment without levels and she is author of Assessment for Learning without Limits. In an in-depth and wide ranging interview we discuss: Could you tell listeners about your teaching career in which you taught in firstly secondary and then primary schools?    I first became aware of your work when you were headteacher of The Wroxham school in the early 2000s , could you describe the journey you led the school on?  Learning without limits was transformative for the school and the profession more widely , could you describe the ethos behind learning without limits and the effect it had?  As you know the podcast started life focussed on evidence and research . I am working in this area and I know this is an area in which you have been working in since the start of your career , could you tell listeners about how you have been involved in and used academic research? Your book from 2016 , assessment for learning without limits was also heavily based on 2 research studies . You advocated a quite different alternative pedagogy moving always from levels at that time ?  What were the main points put forward in this book?  As chief executive of the Chartered College , what is the colleges vision and  mission ?    The college has already had a huge impact on Re-professionalising teachers ,how have you gone about this ?  Impact magazine is a fantastic read and now without plastic , how do you go about selecting articles for the publication? For anyone who is not a member , how can they get involved ?   Where can listeners get in touch with you or the college ? In the Teacher Development Trust section: CEO David Weston is discussing the research around collegiality. Podcast Pedagogy  In this new  section with a working title of Podcast pedagogy I will be talking about the books I am reading at the moment and how I am incorporating their advice into my practice. This week I will discuss 'What Works- Research and evidence for successful teaching' by Lee Elliot Major and Steve Higgins. I will also be paying this book forward to one of our listeners so any listener who shares the promotional video replying with the #naylorsnatter will be entered.  We will also be hearing from listener David Alderson talking about how he has  incorporated dual coding  into their practice.  Shameless Plugs section My latest blog on Early Career teachers and instructional coaching will be out soon. If you would be interested in having Blackpool Research School or TDT  come in and talk to your school about research and evidence with CPD , please get in touch via the website www.naylorsnatter.co.uk