Naylor's Natter Podcast- an education podcast .

This weeks natter is with Bukky Yusuf and is timed to coincide with the eve of #teacher5aday week starting 2nd December. Bukky Yusuf is a Secondary Science Teacher, Consultant and Qualified Coach. Bukky has worked in education for over two decades and teaches secondary sciences to A level. She has undertaken a number of leadership roles within mainstream and special schools, centring around professional development programmes, quality first teaching and learning and effective implementations of Educational Technology. As part of her commitment to increase diverse leadership within education, Bukky participates with a number of initiatives including WomenEd and BAMEed. She is a London Regional Leader for WomenEd and is registered as a leadership coach as part of a pilot programme run by the Department for Education. Bukky’s keenness for education and the impact that educators can make is reflected in the presentations that she delivers at local and national levels. Furthermore, Bukky supports the development of educators at all levels and promotes projects that help colleagues to maintain their well-being. Podcast Pedagogy This week I have been reading Martyn Reah's blogs on his experience of launching #teacher5aday and the upcoming week . In Martyn's words: Five years on from launching #teacher5aday at the SSAT National conference https://martynreah.wordpress.com/2014/12/06/teacher5aday/ instead of presenting at the teachmeet this time #teacher5aday has reached the main stage. A five day focus for leaders and teachers to develop a positive approach to well-being. A start of something which will hopefully become a regular event in school calendars across the country. The aim of the week is to celebrate the successes of the previous five years. To bring all of the best elements of #teacher5aday from social media and into as many staff rooms across the country as possible. To curate and create a festival of well-being and provide a one stop shop for busy teachers and leaders across the country to find resource which will have an impact on their well-being and that of their colleagues. Working with the amazing team behind National Careers Week #NCW2020 a website is under construction to host all the resources which will allow the well-being conversation to continue after the 6th of December. The week will be themed around the five aspects of #teacher5aday which was based on New Economic Foundations 5 ways to well-being https://neweconomics.org/2011/07/five-ways-well-new-applications-new-ways-thinking . Monday #CONNECT Tuesday #NOTICE Wednesday #LEARN  Thursday #EXERCISE Friday #VOLUNTEER Dr Sue Roffey has started the conversations for leaders and leadership teams to consider about getting invovled in the week. https://martynreah.wordpress.com/2019/10/05/national- Shameless plugs: SSA Teach Meet , BrewEd Ossy and the rED trilogy of Brum, Blackpool and Rugby all get a plug TDT Section  David Weston  kicks off the show  this week with the TDT section. 

Jules Daulby is a literacy and inclusion expert, podcaster of The Inclusive Classroom and co-founder and national leader of #WomenEd, a grassroots organisation created to support existing and aspiring women leaders. She started out her teaching career as an English and Drama teacher and until December, 2018 was Director of Education for literacy charity, Driver Youth Trust.  Jules’ quest is to find a way to make classrooms inclusive and allow all children to thrive.  She has a particular fascination with  inclusive design of knowledge organisers, text books, worksheets and presentations.  All her work is grounded in expert knowledge and experience of literacy and SEND in particularly dyslexia and ADHD. Jules believes that all behaviour is communication and accountability pressures can sometimes create environments where students with SEND are not valued.  It is her ambition to persuade OFSTED to reward inclusion rather than exam results and push the DfE into making exams more accessible for young people who have speed of processing and memory difficulties.  Jules is a prolific blogger and tweeter and co-founder and national leader for the grassroots organisation, @WomenEd created to support existing and aspiring women leaders. https://julesdaulby.com/contact-me/jules-daulby/ We natter about: 1) Potted history of your career to this point - as much as you like .  What is values based education?    2) In one of your excellent blogs on your website , you state that literacy is freedom . What do you mean by this?  3) How do we make our classrooms more inclusive?   4) Is all behaviour communication? What do you say to people who disagree with this ? Do you use your excellent reasons you disagree bingo card?   How do we give send learners an equal shot at education    5) Should parents particularly in secondaries be seen as part of the solution (to whatever issues their child is having) not considered the problem. 6)Into pedagogy , do card sorts get a bad press?   7)in well-being , could you tell us about your blog  ‘the art of imperfection' and the crap-o-meter.   8)Tell is about your work with women Ed and your top 6 books by female educators . Podcast pedagogy This week I am reading 'Building Belonging' by Cathal Lynch TDT Section TDT Head of Education talks to Steve Poland about CPD in post 16 education

Tom is the Executive Headteacher of Simon de Senlis Primary School and currently work across eleven primary schools as the Education Director of Northampton Primary Academy Trust.  Tom is a former Advanced Skills Teacher who has spent the last 17 years leading in schools across different contexts, counties and countries.  He has spent the last 10 years as a Headteacher in Northamptonshire. In between Headships, Tom experienced life in industry via an 18 month secondment in the EdTech industry working alongside schools, academies, local authorities and multi-national companies. Tom is  married  with three beautiful children, he  occasionally plays in a Beatles Tribute Band and is the Chairman of Ups ‘n’ Downs – a  charity supporting families affected by Down’s syndrome. I nattered to Tom about: Usual journey to point question- selected highlights from your career to date . As much or as little as you like . Wholesome leadership has been a game changing leadership text . You discuss in the intro whether the world needed another education book , what were the 4 reasons you decided the book was worth writing ? For those new to the book tell us about your H4 leadership model . Moving into section 2 and the first of the Hs , how self aware are we as leaders? Do we all have a particular style of leadership and what are the advantages of this and the potential pitfalls ?  In chapter 4 you outline 10 building blocks for great staff culture , could you share some of those with listeners and how do leaders build ethos and professional culture ?  Into the second H , you use sir David Carters 4 stage model of improving a school. Have you seen this model being used and how do leadership styles fit into it ? How do you establish a culture of accountability that doesn’t rely purely on the fear of OFSTED ?  Into the hands now , what responsibility do leaders have for sustained professional development , how do we strike the balance between the priorities of the school and the development of individual teachers ?  Use of external expertise also vital for example , the ambition ECF work , a vital strand to our CPD which also ties into school priorities whilst meeting the needs of the individuals.   Could you tell us about the leapfrog conversations model and it’s importance in people management?    Lastly into health , how can leaders create a healthy balance whilst still maintaining credibility in the staffroom ?  How do we guard against becoming a martyr ?   Is it like the aeroplane safety demonstration where you put on your mask first before helping your child ?   How do we move from superficial wellbeing gimmicks into clear systems and pathways ?  Where can we see you next ?   How can we find out more ? In podcast pedagogy I am looking at Daniel Sobel's Leading on Pastoral Care and listener Nikki Smith is talking about the influence of Jill Berry's work on her practice.  Shameless plugs South Shore Academy Teach Meet  https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/ssa-teachmeet-tickets-79868126717?aff=ebdssbdestsearch Brew Ed Ossy https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/brewedossy-tickets-78805006897?aff=ebdssbdestsearch Don't forget #teacher5aday . I am continuing to #exercise via my daily cycle commute. 

This week I am in conversation with Educationalist, Author, Writer,Consultant, Orator and Liberal Artist Mr Martin Robinson. Martin is a Teacher with 20 years experience working in state schools in London. Martin was an AST,Head of Department,Head of Faculty and an Assistant Headteacher. Martin is interested in developing teaching and learning building on the tradition of grammar, dialectic and rhetoric.  We are nattering this week about Martin's latest book which I consider to be an essential read namely 'Curriculum-Athena versus the Machine' . This book has fundamentally changed my view on the rationale for a knowledge rich curriculum, moulded my thinking on extra-curricular activities and engendered cognitive dissonance when I consider Martin's views on educating for freedom. The book explores the educational value of a curriculum rooted in the pursuit of wisdom and advocates the enshrinement of such a curriculum as the central concern of an academic institution. Martin argues that teachers need to be liberated from policy-led prescription in order to design curricula which brings subjects forward rather than the pursuit of outcomes. TDT Section This week we have a TDT excellence hub school , South Shore Academy launching a TeachMeet as a way to promote all the amazing work going on in Blackpool . They will have teachers from the school and experts from all over the area sharing their wisdom. Tickets are available here  https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/ssa-teachmeet-tickets-79868126717?utm-medium=discovery&utm-campaign=social&utm-content=attendeeshare&utm-source=strongmail&utm-term=listing Podcast Pedagogy  This week I am reading 'Talking to Strangers' by Malcolm Gladwell. This is a research based book which examines the varying ways we misinterpret or fail to communicate with each other. This is a real page turner and I recommend it to you all along with Gladwell's back catalogue and his revisionist History podcast . Shameless Plugs BrewEd Ossy https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/brewedossy-tickets-78805006897?utm-medium=discovery&utm-campaign=social&utm-content=attendeeshare&utm-source=strongmail&utm-term=listing Teacher5aday https://twitter.com/teacher5aday?lang=en Wholesome Leadership  https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wholesome-Leadership-Health-School-Leaders/dp/1911382705 Martin Robinson  https://www.martinrobinson.net/

This week I am joined by Steve Oakes and Martin Griffin and we are discussing their VESPA system looking at the importance of non-cognitive skills in educational success . This episode really helped me get back to the roots of what this podcast is all about, talking to teachers about evidence and research. Martin and Steve draw on 40 years of combined experience and a great knowledge of educational research. They pull together current thinking from psychology, business and sport to inspire, motivate and support students ensuring they achieve their full potential. Their VESPA model outlines 5 key components to success namely vision, effort, systems, practice and attitude.  This is a fascinating episode as both Martin and Steve speak with such authority and gravitas about their model. We discuss their book 'The A level mindset' , we like to cover all phases of education on Naylor's Natter. This episode will be particularly beneficial to those who teach A level but some of the strategies are universally applicable. https://www.vespamindset.com/the-mindset-books Teacher Development Trust section Michelle is in conversation with John Collier in Stoke discussing the impact of TDT's excellence hubs and the power of collaboration.  https://tdtrust.org/ Podcast Pedagogy Section This week I have been reading 'The Educated Guess" by Warwick Sharp.  https://www.theeducatedguess.org.uk/

This week I am in conversation with Pupil Premium and vulnerable learners champion Marc Rowland. Marc is a Research School Director, an author and (he wouldn't admit this himself-he's way too modest) an expert on the use of the Pupil Premium. We discuss the history of PP, the enduring relationship between family income and school success. We look at how thinking on PP has shifted with the recent EEF guide and the new DfE guidance. Marc also confronts some popular myths and misconceptions and gives you some concrete advice to take and action in your schools.  The questions discussed are: Talk about ‘updated guide to pupil premium ‘  The measure of a successful education system whether at local or national level should be how its disadvantaged pupils perform - is this measure being used?  Are we making progress nationally on outcomes for disadvantaged pupils?    Do we in discourse obsess on the gap?    Imagine you are a listener who has just been appointed Pupil Premium lead , where should their journey of discovery start? What is your test and learn approach for new PP funding activities .   Myths to discuss :  Pupil premium funding must be spent on interventions   I must attend courses to improve my knowledge of PP . Most disadvantaged pupils are culturally illiterate and disinterested so we need to take them on an engaging visit to a theme park / farm /ballet?   Only eligible children can benefit from PP spending?All data is good data , in school attainment data by teacher is a good predictor of the gap?   What are you working on at the moment? Where can listeners find out more ? Useful links: :https://researchschool.org.uk/rosendale/news/beware-of-the-matthew-effect/ https://researchschool.org.uk/news/pupil-premium/ https://educationendowmentfoundation.org.uk/evidence-summaries/pupil-premium-guide/ https://www.gov.uk/guidance/pupil-premium-effective-use-and-accountability Podcast Pedagogy  This week I am reading Curriculum- Athena versus the Machine. You may not agree with all of Martin's points but you will be stimulated by his arguments. This is a must read for all school leaders .  Martin will be a guest on an upcoming show. TDT Section  Maria is discussing CPD excellence hubs with Expert Adviser, Alex Beauchamp.  Get Involved! This podcast is entitled 'talking to teachers' so I really would like to hear how you have used guests work to influence your practice in your classrooms. Send me a 1 minute clip from your phone to p3nay91@gmail.com and you can feature next week!

This week on Naylor's natter , I am delighted to be joined by Dame Alison Peacock, the Chief Executive of the Chartered College of Teaching . Professor Dame Alison Peacock was appointed in August 2016 and became the Chartered College’s Chief Executive on 1 January 2017. Prior to joining the Chartered College, she was Executive Headteacher of The Wroxham School in Hertfordshire. Her career to date has spanned primary, secondary and advisory roles. She is a member of the Royal Society Education Committee, a peer member of the Teaching Schools Council and a trustee of both the Chartered Institute of Educational Assessors and of Teach First. In March 2015, Alison was appointed by the Department for Education as a member of the commission on assessment without levels and she is author of Assessment for Learning without Limits. In an in-depth and wide ranging interview we discuss: Could you tell listeners about your teaching career in which you taught in firstly secondary and then primary schools?    I first became aware of your work when you were headteacher of The Wroxham school in the early 2000s , could you describe the journey you led the school on?  Learning without limits was transformative for the school and the profession more widely , could you describe the ethos behind learning without limits and the effect it had?  As you know the podcast started life focussed on evidence and research . I am working in this area and I know this is an area in which you have been working in since the start of your career , could you tell listeners about how you have been involved in and used academic research? Your book from 2016 , assessment for learning without limits was also heavily based on 2 research studies . You advocated a quite different alternative pedagogy moving always from levels at that time ?  What were the main points put forward in this book?  As chief executive of the Chartered College , what is the colleges vision and  mission ?    The college has already had a huge impact on Re-professionalising teachers ,how have you gone about this ?  Impact magazine is a fantastic read and now without plastic , how do you go about selecting articles for the publication? For anyone who is not a member , how can they get involved ?   Where can listeners get in touch with you or the college ? In the Teacher Development Trust section: CEO David Weston is discussing the research around collegiality. Podcast Pedagogy  In this new  section with a working title of Podcast pedagogy I will be talking about the books I am reading at the moment and how I am incorporating their advice into my practice. This week I will discuss 'What Works- Research and evidence for successful teaching' by Lee Elliot Major and Steve Higgins. I will also be paying this book forward to one of our listeners so any listener who shares the promotional video replying with the #naylorsnatter will be entered.  We will also be hearing from listener David Alderson talking about how he has  incorporated dual coding  into their practice.  Shameless Plugs section My latest blog on Early Career teachers and instructional coaching will be out soon. If you would be interested in having Blackpool Research School or TDT  come in and talk to your school about research and evidence with CPD , please get in touch via the website www.naylorsnatter.co.uk

This week on Naylor's natter I am Joined by Mark Lehain. Mark is the Director of Parents and Teachers for excellence whose mission is to ensure that every school child should have an excellent education and great prospects regardless of their background. Mark joined PTE in September 2017 as their first ever director , previous to this he was the founder and Headteacher of Bedford Free School . Mark underwent by his own admission a journey of enlightenment , having not particularly believed in the benefits of a knowledge rich curriculum when Bedford Free School was opened in 2012. Mark is in great demand as a speaker and regularly presents at rED events up and down the country and we are delighted that he will be in Blackpool again this year.  I ask Mark: Could you tell us about your journey to this point ?    As one of the first founders of a free schools what lessons did you take away?    Could you tell listeners about your Sophie test?    Would it be fair to say you had a Damascene conversion to a knowledge rich curriculum? What was the catalyst for this change?    Parents and teachers for excellence was founded in 2017, what was the founding vision for PTE?    I really enjoyed reading ‘the questions of behaviour’ available on your website . Could you tell listeners about your key findings and your ‘warm strict approach’   PTE are running some high profile projects , could you tell us more about phone free schools and why this is important ?   One of my favourite sections of your website and your presentations is what should schools teach ? Could you tell listeners about some of the well meaning initiatives that organisations insist should be taught in schools ?    Where can listeners find out more about your work and where will you be speaking next?  TDT segement Shameless Plugs I will be at Lead Learn Lancs tomorrow (Saturday) to talk about 'Escaping the hamster wheel, using research and evidence to change culture in schools. Another mention for rED Blackpool and our friends at rED Birmingham where I will also be speaking in March. My latest blog on Early Career teachers and instructional coaching will be out soon  In a new section with a working title of Podcast pedagogy I will be talking about the books I am reading at the moment and how I am incorporating their advice into my practice. in future weeks, I would welcome listeners sending in their reflections on how they have applied findings from books or guests featured here. There is a facility to record via the Anchor app or email via the website p3nay91@gmail.com. We also have a new pay it forward section where thanks to Jill Berry's advice , I gift guests books to a lucky listener! Next week- watch this space!

This week on Naylor's natter in association with the Teacher Development Trust I am in conversation with Dr Jill Berry.  Jill taught for 30 years carrying out seven different jobs in six different schools after beginning her teaching career as a secondary English specialist .  Since leaving headship in 2010, she has worked as an Associate for the National College for Teaching and Leadership, carried out a range of educational consultancy work and completed a part-time Doctorate in Education, researching the transition from deputy headship to headship. Jill has been involved in #WomenEd, a network designed to support aspiring and serving women leaders in education, since its inception in 2012. She has conducted academic research on the development of the initiative with Dr Kay Fuller from Nottingham University; spoken at several #WomenEd events, and contributed a chapter to the #WomenEd book: ‘10% Braver – Inspiring Women to Lead Education’ (Sage 2019).  Jill is an advocate for the opportunities presented by social media for networking and professional development, tweeting @jill berry102 and blogging jillberry102.blog I discuss with Jill: Could you tell listeners about your story? 30 years teaching, English specialist, 6 schools, masters, deputy headship and headship In difficult turbulent times in education and the world, why would anyone want to make the leap into leadership? Do good teachers automatically make good leaders? Should good leaders always be promoted out of the classroom? Should experience be a factor in any promotion or does enthusiasm count for more than knowledge? What are the key principles for anyone who is thinking of applying for leadership or headship? Having been appointed to a new position in a different school, what are the challenges of the period between appointment and formally taking up the role? People talk about the crucial first 100 days in a new job, what are the challenges of the early months in post? Once you become established in the new leadership position , how do you move beyond being the new leader? How important is the ECF in recognising the leadership role of mentors and coaches Her book, ‘Making the Leap: Moving from Deputy to Head’, was published by Crown House . TDT Section  In the TDT section , Maria and Ian talk about the transformational power of the CPD audit and the bespoke guidance given to schools . This work is something that I am fully involved in . Maria also talks about the TDT framework and the potential for enhancing subject specific CPD , she uses examples from very effective schools in this area.  In the shameless plugs section: I am delighted to have become a Fellow of the Chartered College of Teaching , This is something that means a huge deal to me and I am so appreciative of the opportunity to highlight the work of the College. I feel passionately that as a classroom teacher , I have a voice to influence the future of our profession. Thank you also to TeacherTap for featuring my blog  'A Routine Matter' last week. I really enjoy writing and I must find time to write more, I really appreciate the recognition as I know how picky they are. Thanks also to Phil Brown for his input here. Lead Learn Lancs draws ever closer , 12th October . You can see me (if you want to) in session 1 talking about how we are using research and evidence to change culture in schools.  rED Blackpool has now tipped over the 600 ticket mark and we may have to start thinking about capping this so stay tuned! Dame Alison Peacock next week. 

This week I am Joined by teacher, author and all round education guru Doug Lemov. In this podcast we talk about the massive impact Teach Like  A Champion 2.0 has had on the teaching profession . Doug talks about Uncommon Schools and the art of teaching and its tools. He goes into detail about some of the techniques discussed in the books and how teachers have used them. We also talk about 'Reading Reconsidered' and it's influence on  national pedagogy and  the teaching of reading. We go into detail about the cultural capital of a literary canon, the importance of explicitly teaching vocabulary and the implementation of school wide reading programmes We also get an exclusive on the upcoming TLAC 3.0! Here are the discussion points in the podcast  Could you tell listeners about your own personal journey in education? Could you explain the concept of Uncommon Schools and the fieldwork you undertook in the production of both TLAC and Reading reconsidered? In the introduction to TLAC , you talk about the 'art of teaching and it's tools' what do you mean by that? How is this different or possibly complimentary to the evidence based teaching movement? TLAC 2.0 has been phenomenally successful in the UK, how would you advise schools to best use the book? I find the field guide an excellent accompaniment especially when working with new teachers . Reading has been a big focus for all the schools I work with in Blackpool. We have used your work extensively along with the expertise of Alex Quigley (Closing the Vocabulary Gap) to address this . Our literacy lead Becky Jones has introduced a literary canon across our school and we now have a fixed reading period daily with pupils working through this canon. Why do you think the canon has declined and how important is book choice? Having selected a canon, what approaches to reading do you advocate in part 2 of reading reconsidered ? The fundamentals How can we build vocabulary during reading? How important is implementation in developing reading systems and what are the key phases in this process? Shameless plugs My article for RSC 'Young and in charge'  https://eic.rsc.org/feature/young-and-in-charge/3010792.article My latest blog for Teacher Toolkit https://www.teachertoolkit.co.uk/2019/09/22/trainee-teachers/ All previous interviews are available via my website www.naylorsnatter.co.uk Next week Dame Alison Peacock