
UX of EdTech
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Dec 6, 2022 β’ 24min
EdTech Acquisitions & Design Maturity - Part 5
Alicia Quan chats with the VP of User Experience at Renaissance Learning, Jonathan Mann.
They discuss what design representation looks like there and take a look at the companyβs journey towards design maturity in the midst of making acquisitions and merging into one team and organization. As a former design leader at PayPal and Target, Jonathan shares what he has learned about the unique considerations found in the education industry.
This is Part 5 of the Design Maturity Series. How do leaders build design maturity in their teams and across their EdTech company? What are the challenges and what benefits are in store? Stay tuned.
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πΈ Connect:
Jonathan Mann
Alicia Quan
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πΈ Resources:
Email Series: Exploring EdTech Product Design, UX careers, and Education
UX Job Opportunities in EdTech
UX of EdTech Blog Publication
Slack Community: DM Alicia Quan on LinkedIn to receive an application.
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Music by Sleep Still

Oct 25, 2022 β’ 20min
UX in the EdTech Executive Room - Design Maturity Part 4
Alicia Quan chats with Jing Jin, Head of UX at Outschool.
They discuss how this startup has grown since 2017 and how the role of UX grew all the way to the executive level. Jing explains why Outschool has a role titled Head of School instead of a CEO and why they chose to skip the typical Chief Executive type titling.
They discuss the role of Head of UX and its impact across the organization. Jing explains some of the obstacles she has faced and gives advice for leaders looking to build design maturity at other EdTech companies.
We hope you enjoy our conversation and check below for ways to follow us further.
This is Part 4 of the Design Maturity Series. How do leaders build design maturity in their teams and across their EdTech company? What are the challenges and what benefits are in store? Stay tuned.
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πΈ Connect:
Jing Jin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jingidy/
Alicia Quan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alicia2joy/
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πΈ Resources:
Email Series: Exploring EdTech Product Design, UX careers, and Education: https://sendfox.com/ux.edtech
UX Job Opportunities in EdTech: https://www.linkedin.com/company/ux-of-edtech/
UX of EdTech Blog Publication: https://medium.com/ux-of-edtech
Slack Community: DM Alicia Quan on LinkedIn to receive an application.
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Music by Sleep Still: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0wEV3QCeKk62F3w2x3zo5I

Oct 18, 2022 β’ 24min
UX Design Maturity Models in EdTech - Design Maturity Part 3
Alicia Quan chats with Jamie Reffell, Head of Design at Clever. In this episode, Jamie gives us a working definition of design maturity and then weaves that throughout Cleverβs recent story of design team growth. We talk about what happens when design maturity models donβt neatly apply to smaller teams and what the team at Clever did when they were in that situation.
Also, what are the particular challenges that EdTech and education companies face when striving towards higher levels of design maturity? We discuss this and more.
This is Part 3 of the Design Maturity Series. How do leaders build design maturity in their teams and across their EdTech company? What are the challenges and what benefits are in store? Stay tuned.
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πΈ Connect:
Jamie Reffell - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jreffell/
Alicia Quan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alicia2joy/
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πΈ Resources:
Email Series: Exploring EdTech Product Design, UX careers, and Education: https://sendfox.com/ux.edtech
UX Job Opportunities in EdTech: https://www.linkedin.com/company/ux-of-edtech/
UX of EdTech Blog Publication: https://medium.com/ux-of-edtech
Slack Community: DM Alicia Quan on LinkedIn to receive an application.
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Music by Sleep Still: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0wEV3QCeKk62F3w2x3zo5I

Oct 11, 2022 β’ 33min
Applying Maturity Models to a Growing Team - Design Maturity Part 2
Alicia Quan chats with Kara Hodecker, Head of Product Design at Panorama Education. In this inspiring episode, Kara masterfully unpacks how the team diagnosed their maturity level and the steps they are taking to grow rapidly while steadily increasing in design maturity.
This is Part 2 of the Design Maturity Series. How do leaders build design maturity in their teams and across their EdTech company? What are the challenges and what benefits are in store? Stay tuned.
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πΈ Connect:
Kara Hodecker - https://www.linkedin.com/in/karahodecker/
Alicia Quan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alicia2joy/
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πΈ Resources:
Email Series: Exploring EdTech Product Design, UX careers, and Education: https://sendfox.com/ux.edtech
UX Job Opportunities in EdTech: https://www.linkedin.com/company/ux-of-edtech/
UX of EdTech Blog Publication: https://medium.com/ux-of-edtech
Slack Community: DM Alicia Quan on LinkedIn if interested.
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Music by Sleep Still: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0wEV3QCeKk62F3w2x3zo5I
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Oct 4, 2022 β’ 33min
The Difference of a Chief Design Officer (CDO) in EdTech - Design Maturity Part 1
Design maturity at EdTech companies. Whoβs the best? This episode kicks off Season 2 and a series on Design Maturity within education and EdTech companies. We have a wide variety of companies and guests lined up so stay tuned!
In this episode, Alicia Quan chats with Adil Dhanani, Director of Product Design at Handshake. One of many things that stand out about Handshake is the presence of a Chief Design Officer role. We dive into this and the ripple effects that it has across Handshake.
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πΈ Connect:
Adil Dhanani - https://www.linkedin.com/in/adildhanani/
Alicia Quan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alicia2joy/
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πΈ Resources:
Email Series: Exploring EdTech Product Design, UX careers, and Education: https://sendfox.com/ux.edtech
UX Job Opportunities in EdTech: https://www.linkedin.com/company/ux-of-edtech/
UX of EdTech Blog Publication: https://medium.com/ux-of-edtech
Slack Community: DM Alicia Quan if interested.
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Music by Sleep Still: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0wEV3QCeKk62F3w2x3zo5I

Jun 9, 2021 β’ 23min
Season 1 FINALE π - Looking Back and Looking Forward
Alicia Quan recounts the last year of the podcast (est. June 2020) and her journey in moving from a classroom teacher into UX and product design. She also discusses what is next for UX of EdTech.
More announcements coming soon! @ux_edtech
πΊ Follow the UX of EdTech Network and Alicia Quan:
- UX job opportunities in EdTech
- Medium Publication of resources on EdTech product design and research
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- LinkedIn
- Twitter
- YouTube
- Instagram
- Alicia's Medium
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Music: Scott Buckley

Jun 2, 2021 β’ 1h 5min
The UX of Google Classroom
Alicia Quan chats with two instrumental team members on the Google Classroom product:
Amanda J. Rosenburg - Lead Researcher, Team Lead
Cora Foxx - a UX Design Lead
We chat about:
How to research and design for such a diverse pool of users globally
Researchers considering self-care for the stories they carry (especially during the pandemic)
How learning theory (academic research) and UX research of users behavior work together
Design process
Whatβs new and on the horizon for the Google Classroom product
Connecting teacher voice to product
Resume and portfolio tips to work at Google (especially for those with an academic or education background)
Favorite resources for design and research
π Email Series: Exploring EdTech Product Design, UX, and Education HERE
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β Connect with Amanda J. Rosenburg:
- LinkedIn
β Connect with Cora Foxx:
- LinkedIn
πΊ Follow the UX of EdTech Network and Alicia Quan:
- UX job opportunities in EdTech
- Publication of resources on EdTech product design and research
- LinkedIn
- Twitter
- YouTube
- Instagram
- Alicia's Blog
Music: Scott Buckley

May 25, 2021 β’ 30min
Getting Started in EdTech Product Design
Alicia Quan chats with Brett Gunter, a product designer at Weld North Education working on Imagine Learning products. They chat about a variety of topics, including:
Bootcamp vs. university vs. self-taught routes
Portfolio and interview tips
First year designer tips
Design critiques
Favorite resources
Continuing to sharpen skills throughout your career
π Email Series: Exploring EdTech Product Design, UX, and Education HERE
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β Connect with Brett Gunter:
- LinkedIn
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πΊ Follow the UX of EdTech Network and Alicia Quan:
- UX job opportunities in EdTech
- Medium Publication of resources on EdTech product design and research
- LinkedIn
- Twitter
- YouTube
- Instagram
- Alicia's Medium
Music: Scott Buckley

May 11, 2021 β’ 41min
BrainPOP: How Product Design, UXR, and Learning Design Work Together
Alicia Quan chats with several members from the team at BrainPOP about the collaborative work of cross-functional teams and the extra concerns that EdTech teams have in this space of education, students, teachers, and all the key players in that space.
They touch on having varied experiences before working in product design, including the role of a science teacher. They also cover some portfolio and hiring tips and the guests mention some of their favorite resources for their disciplines.
π Email Series: Exploring EdTech Product Design, UX, and Education HERE
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β Connect with John Rong, Product Designer:
- LinkedIn
β Connect with Alisha Austin, Product Designer:
- LinkedIn
- Twitter
β Connect with Ilana Weiss, Learning Designer / UXR:
- LinkedIn
- Instagram
- BrainPOP UXR Article
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πΊ Follow the UX of EdTech Network and Alicia Quan:
- UX job opportunities in EdTech
- Medium Publication of resources on EdTech product design and research
- LinkedIn
- Twitter
- YouTube
- Instagram
- Alicia's Medium
Music: Scott Buckley and Teknoaxe

May 4, 2021 β’ 18min
Learning with UX Designers at Kahoot!
Alicia Quan chats with Mauricio Malo and Joy Leelawat, UX Designers at Kahoot! They talk about the diverse work environment of this company, their advice for designers working in the education space, and an example of a design approach.
π Email Series: Exploring EdTech Product Design, UX, and Education HERE
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β Connect with Mauricio Malo:
- LinkedIn
- Twitter
- Website
β Connect with Joy Leelawat:
- LinkedIn
- Twitter
- Website
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πΊ Follow the UX of EdTech Network and Alicia Quan:
- UX job opportunities in EdTech
- Medium Publication of resources on EdTech product design and research
- LinkedIn
- Twitter
- YouTube
- Instagram
- Alicia's Medium
Music: Scott Buckley and Alf Inge Wang