

DNA Today: A Genetics Podcast
Kira Dineen, Gene Pool Media
Discover New Advances in the world of genetics, from technology like CRISPR to rare diseases to new research. For over a decade, multi-award winning podcast ”DNA Today” has brought you the voices of leaders in genetics. Host Kira Dineen brings her genetics expertise to interview geneticists, genetic counselors, patient advocates, biotech leaders, researchers, and more.***Best 2020, 2021, and 2022 Science and Medicine Podcast Award Winner***Learn more (and stream all 365+ episodes) at DNAtoday.com. You can contact the show at info@DNAtoday.com.
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Jul 7, 2023 • 35min
#244 Genetic Counseling History: The 70s
Step into our time machine as we transport you back to the early heydays of genetic counseling (aka the 70s) with our esteemed guest, Virginia Corson. Virginia is a veteran genetic counselor who has weathered the changing tides of this field over the last 50 years, and she's here to share her incredible journey with us. Virginia has spent the vast majority of her career as a prenatal genetic counselor at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine. She has written countless publications with original research, case reports, book chapters, and professional society statements. She earned her Master’s of Science through the OG genetic counseling program, Sarah Lawrence College (which I also graduated from a few years ago).
Get ready to gain an insightful perspective into the pioneering days of the profession, the challenges of a nascent field, and how Virginia carved her niche in a time devoid of the technological conveniences we take for granted today.
We'll be journeying through Virginia's academic odyssey at Sarah Lawrence College's one-year program, packed with clinical rotations and field work. Experience the nascent use of ultrasound in prenatal care and how the advent of molecular testing revolutionized prenatal testing, despite the rather limited scope of genetic counseling during the late 1970s. Virginia’s wealth of knowledge is sure to enlighten us all about the critical importance of the field's continued evolution and development.
In the last leg of our conversation, Virginia uncovers the intriguing aspects of her various clinical rotations and field work, discussing the glaring absence of molecular genetics and cancer genetics courses at the time. She stresses the significance of lifelong learning for genetic counselors and provides a sneak peek into a typical day in her early career. We'll also delve into the evolution of genetic counseling sessions, the ethical and legal considerations during the 1970s, and even a surprising moment when Virginia found herself on the front cover of the Wall Street Journal. So, buckle up for this enlightening chat with Virginia Corson, and get ready to unravel the captivating world of genetic counseling!
Episode Chapters
(0:00:02) - Exploring Genetic Counseling in the 1970s (12 Minutes)
Virginia Corson, a seasoned genetic counselor with decades of experience in the field, shares her journey of learning about genetic counseling in the 1970s, a time when the field was still in its infancy. We discuss the landscape of the field at the time, with very few places hiring genetic counselors and no computers or emails to make job search easier. Virginia recounts how she sent out 40 individual cover letters to potential employers and eventually got a job offer from Johns Hopkins. We explore the challenges of entering a new field and the changes the profession has gone through over the last 50 years.
(0:11:37) - Prenatal Testing and Genetic Counseling Evolution (6 Minutes)
Virginia Corson shares her experience of attending Sarah Lawrence College's one-year program, which was packed with clinical rotations, field work, and electives. We also explore the early uses of ultrasound in prenatal care and how molecular testing has allowed for more accurate prenatal testing. In the late 1970s, genetic counseling was limited in terms of testing and topics available.
(0:17:39) - Genetic Counseling in the Past (8 Minutes)
Virginia Corson talks about the various clinical rotations and field work she completed as part of the one-year program at Sarah Lawrence College. She had the opportunity to visit Mount Sinai Hospital, Albert Einstein Hospital, and Creedmoor Institute, where she interviewed people at-risk for Huntington's Disease. Virginia also discusses the lack of molecular genetics and cancer genetics courses at the time and the importance of continuing education for genetic counselors. She shares what a typical day was like for her, which included taking family histories, discussing testing options, and navigating the four-week waiting period for amniocentesis results.
(0:25:50) - Evolution of Genetic Counseling (8 Minutes)
We discuss the changes in genetic counseling sessions over the years, from the early 1970s when carrier screening was much simpler to the present day, where there are hundreds of tests offered. Virginia Corson shares the story of her 15 minutes of fame when she was featured on the front cover of the Wall Street Journal in the late 1980s. The journalist wanted to make the article more personal and interviewed her, and how it ended up being a front page article. We also explore the ethical and legal considerations in the 1970s, such as the debate around whether genetic counselors could counsel independently without a doctor present, as well as the establishment of the National Society of Genetic Counselors. Finally, we talk about the exams Virginia and the other geneticists took, which was the same core exam and then a separate genetic counseling exam.
This episode is part of our Genetic Counseling History series backed by the National Society of Genetic Counselors’ Late Career Special Interest Group. Be sure to check out Episode 234 and Episode 235 which explore the first few NSGC conferences and the formation of the American Board of Genetic Counselors.
Stay tuned for the next new episode of DNA Today on July 14th! New episodes are released every Friday. In the meantime, you can binge over 240 other episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, streaming on the website, or any other podcast player by searching, “DNA Today”. Episodes since 2021 are also recorded with video which you can watch on our YouTube channel.
DNA Today is hosted and produced by Kira Dineen. Our social media lead is Corinne Merlino. Our video lead is Amanda Andreoli. Our Outreach Intern is Sanya Tinaikar. Our Social Media Intern is Kajal Patel. And our Graphic Designer Ashlyn Enokian.
See what else we are up to on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube and our website, DNAToday.com. Questions/inquiries can be sent to info@DNAtoday.com.

Jun 30, 2023 • 1h 5min
#243 PhenoTips: Navigating Barriers in LGBTQIA+ Genetic Care
We are closing out Pride Month with a recent installment of the PhenoTips Speaker Series. DNA Today’s host Kira Dineen is also one of the hosts of the PhenoTips Speaker Series. This live webinar focuses on relevant genetics topics by featuring discussions with thought leaders and experts in genomic medicine. This episode is the 24th installment of the PhenoTips’ Speaker Series, “Navigating Barriers in LGBTQIA+ Genetic Care”.
A 2018 Harvard study found that nearly 1/6th of LGBTQIA+ adults have experienced discrimination in a healthcare setting, while 1/5th have avoided seeking medical care out of fear of discrimination. Efforts have been made in recent years to improve the cultural competency of genetic professionals, however, barriers to compassionate care for LGBTQIA+ individuals persist. In an environment of changing healthcare legislation and increased hostility towards the LBGTQIA+ community, creating a safe space for patients is more challenging than ever.
Panelists:
Dr. Jehannine Austin (they/them) Executive Director of BC Mental Health, Professor in Psychiatry & Medical Genetics at the University of British Columbia
Andy Cantor, CGC (she/they/he) Senior Genetic Counselor & Certified Trainer on Trans and Non-Binary Competency at Labcorp
Josephine Giblin, CGC (she/her) Genetic Counsellor at NHS Bristol
Katie Gallagher, CGC (she/her) Assistant Program Director at Sarah Lawrence College
In this episode’s panel discussion moderated by Kira Dineen, our panel of international experts and advocates discusses:
Protecting patients during times of unprecedented legislation
Creating psychologically safe and inclusive environments
Supporting access to equitable care
Representation in family history collection
Resources and best practices to support LBGTQIA+ colleagues and patients
Last year we also celebrated pride month with PhenoTips. In Episode #189 we interviewed two experts from PhenoTips, Orion Buske and Erica Peacock about building inclusive pedigrees. We also released last year’s PhenoTips Speaker Series Pride installment on Episode #190, which focuses on providing gender affirming care, specifically in the genetic counseling space. As a queer member of the LGBTQIA+ community, our host Kira Dineen is excited to share all these episodes, including this week’s!
These webinars are sponsored by PhenoTips. During these live events we interview leaders in the field of genetics and moderate questions live from the audience. Check out upcoming installments by heading over to PhenoTips.com where you can also stream all the webinars from the last three years.
Stay tuned for the next new episode of DNA Today on July 7th where we continue our History of Genetic Counseling Series, this time joined by seasoned genetic counselor Ginny Corson! New episodes are released every Friday. In the meantime, you can binge over 240 other episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, streaming on the website, or any other podcast player by searching, “DNA Today”. Episodes since 2021 are also recorded with video which you can watch on our YouTube channel.
DNA Today is hosted and produced by Kira Dineen. Our social media lead is Corinne Merlino. Our video lead is Amanda Andreoli. Our Outreach Intern is Sanya Tinaikar. Our Social Media Intern is Kajal Patel. And our Graphic Designer Ashlyn Enokian.
See what else we are up to on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube and our website, DNAToday.com. Questions/inquiries can be sent to info@DNAtoday.com.

Jun 23, 2023 • 37min
#242 Misattributed Paternity with Richard Wenzel
In 2020, a direct-to-consumer DNA test revealed that our guest Richard Wenzel's father was not his genetic father. Moreover, evidence indicates that his conception resulted from a sexual assault of his mother and that his pediatrician (who was also his mother's obstetrician) helped conceal this crime; unfortunately, all involved individuals are deceased. Since that troubling discovery, Richard has dedicated his efforts towards increasing education and awareness among medical professionals about the harms of false genetic narratives, identifying opportunities to improve the care provided to children/adults incurring a false narrative, and urging for research.
Richard Wenzel, Pharm.D., CPPS, is an accomplished clinician, researcher, educator, lecturer, and mentor in the profession of pharmacy, whose expertise includes hospital practices, headache disorders, and patient safety, as well as the evolving realm of direct-to-consumer genetic testing. He has authored or co-author approximately 50 peer-reviewed publications in medical and pharmacy journals including Phase III and post hoc medication research, systematic literature reviews, clinical narratives, and opinion piece articles.He has also given more than 100 presentations at national, state, and local-level medical professionals’ (pharmacist, physician, physician assistant, nursing) meetings as well as lectures at U.S. and international Colleges of Pharmacy. Richard is a recipient of the American Pharmacists Association’s "One-to-One Patient Counseling Award" and is a two-time nominee for the American Association of Colleges of Pharmacy "Master Preceptor" award and a university’s "Preceptor of the Year" recipient, having successfully provided clinical rotation site education to more than 600 pharmacy students!
On This Episode We Discuss:
Richard’s personal journey of discovering his misattributed paternity
How this discovery has affected his perception of his relationship with his mother and childhood experiences
Wrestling with the discovery of misattributed paternity when the parents are deceased
Guidelines that healthcare providers follow regarding the disclosure of misattributed parentage
Benefits and harms that need to be considered when deciding whether to disclose misattributed parentage
How the discovery of misattributed parentage can impact individuals, particularly children, and their sense of identity
Available support and resources for individuals who have discovered misattributed parentage, and what more needs to be done to assist them
Advice for others who are in the midst of a not-parent-expected discovery and for healthcare providers on the other side of this
Richard Wenzel’s Resources
American Medical Association Code on Ethics of Collecting Family History
American Academy of Pediatrics’ Article on the Pediatrician’s Role on Patient and Family Centered Care
American Academy of Pediatrics “Value of Family Medical History and adoption as a barrier to accurate history”
Jodi Girard’s Narrative & Kara Rubenstein Narrative
American Society of Human Genetics Position Statement and Article
American Society for Reproductive Medicine Position Statement
American College of Medical Genetics and Genomics Position Statement
Organizations include donordeceived.org and womenagainstpaternityfraud.org
Shepard, A., Diamond, D., Willard, L., Staples, J., Martin, K., & Witherspoon, N. (2022). Discovering Misattributed Paternity After DNA Testing and its Impact on Psychological Well-Being and Identity Formation. American Journal of Qualitative Research, 6(3), 189-211. https://doi.org/10.29333/ajqr/12611
Avni C, Sinai D, Blasbalg U, Toren P. Discovering your presumed father is not your biological father: Psychiatric ramifications of independently uncovered non-paternity events resulting from direct-to-consumer DNA testing. Psychiatry Res 2023;323:115142.
Lawton B L, Pyott L C, Deyerin K R, Foeman A K. Experiences of Misattributed Parentage Communities: Impacts of Discovering New Familial Kinships. Journal of Family History 2023: epub ahead of print; doi.org/10.1177/03631990231156176.
Grethel, M., Lewis, J., Freeman, R., & Stone, C. (2022). Discovery of unexpected paternity after direct-to-consumer DNA testing and its impact on identity. Family Relations, 1– 17. https://doi.org/10.1111/fare.12752
Klugman-Rabb, Jodi, "A Qualitative Study on the Effect of Misattributed Parentage Experiences" (2023). Collected Faculty and Staff Scholarship. 354.
https://scholar.dominican.edu/all-faculty/354
Family Secrets: Exploring unexpected paternity through direct-to-consumer DNA ancestry tests. Gina Daniel, Masters Thesis, https://millersville.tind.io/record/6411/files/Gina%20Daniel.pdf
Semikhodskii A, Makarova T, Sutyagina D. Paternity pseudo-exclusion caused by tetragametic chimerism in a gestational surrogacy case. Eur J Med Genet. 2023 Jun 3;66(8):104799. doi: 10.1016/j.ejmg.2023.104799
Sheets KM, Baird ML, Heinig J, Davis D, Sabatini M, Starr DB. A case of chimerism-induced paternity confusion: what ART practitioners can do to prevent future calamity for families. J Assist Reprod Genet. 2018 Feb;35(2):345-352. doi: 10.1007/s10815-017-1064-6.
Li D, Liao C. Incidental discovery of nonpaternity during prenatal testing of genetic disease. Fetal Diagn Ther 2008;24:39-41. “that pleases those who do not wish to disclose [MP] yet accurately states the laboratory’s results for legal purposes”
We close out Pride month on June 30th with our next new episode “Navigating Barriers in LGBTQIA+ Genetic Care”, this is an episode drop from the PhenoTips Speaker Series, also hosted by Kira Dineen. New episodes are released every Friday. In the meantime, you can binge over 240 other episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, streaming on the website, or any other podcast player by searching, “DNA Today”. Episodes since 2021 are also recorded with video which you can watch on our YouTube channel.
DNA Today is hosted and produced by Kira Dineen. Our social media lead is Corinne Merlino. Our video lead is Amanda Andreoli. Our Outreach Intern is Sanya Tinaikar. Our Social Media Intern is Kajal Patel. And our Graphic Designer Ashlyn Enokian.
See what else we are up to on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube and our

Jun 16, 2023 • 20min
#241 NBC’s Maury Povich on Paternity Testing
Maury Povich, an iconic talk show host known for paternity testing, shares the origin of his famous catchphrase. He discusses the emotional impact of revealing paternity test results and why people choose public testing. The podcast also explores the challenges faced when performing tests and the psychological factors that drive people to seek paternity testing.

Jun 9, 2023 • 31min
#240 Young Adult Patient Advocacy with Sneha Dave
Joining us for this episode is Sneha Dave, Founder and Executive Director of Generation Patient, an organization that facilitates events, online programs, and advocacy initiatives for young adults living with chronic and rare conditions to ensure that they have the opportunities and resources to thrive.
Sneha Dave (she/her) graduated from Indiana University in May 2020 where she majored in chronic illness advocacy as well as journalism. She created the Generation Patient and its program the Crohn’s and Colitis Young Adults Network (CCYAN) to create support systems for adolescents and young adults with chronic conditions across the U.S. and internationally. She is proud to work with a team composed entirely of young adults with chronic medical disabilities and to keep Generation Patient transparent and independent from the pharmaceutical and insurance industry.
Sneha has completed an undergraduate research fellowship in health policy at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. She has also interned at numerous places such as Pfizer Global Headquarters in health economics and outcomes research for Inflammation and Immunology. Sneha has spoken on Capitol Hill, featured nationally on C-SPAN, and is a past contributor for U.S. News and World Report. She has served on the Democratic National Committee Disability Policy Subcommittee and she is part of the Midwest Comparative Effectiveness Public Advisory Council, an independent appraisal committee of the Institute for Clinical and Economic Review. Sneha also serves on the patient engagement collaborative for the FDA. She was previously a national policy fellow at RespectAbility and now serves as the youngest director on the board for the national nonprofit. Sneha has won multiple awards for her advocacy work, so we are pleased to have her featured here on DNA Today!
Shoutout to our Communications Lead, Corinne Merlino, for recommending Sneha Dave to be our guest.
On This Episode We Discuss:
Sneha’s personal experience with ulcerative colitis and how it led to becoming a patient advocate
The mission and goals of Generation Patient and the Crohn's and Colitis Young Adults Network
Some of the biggest challenges facing young adults living with chronic and rare conditions today
The importance of increased representation of young adults in clinical trials and the impact it can have on the development of treatments
Potential harms of DTC pharma advertising on Instagram and TikTok to young viewers and what can be done to mitigate that harm
How the Generation Patient team ensures that the organization remains independent from the pharmaceutical and insurance industry
How Sneha and her team at Generation Patient engages with the FDA
Advice for young adults living with chronic or rare conditions who may feel isolated or unsupported in their experiences
Advice for other young professionals that are seeking ways to be more involved and gain experiences in healthcare
You can learn more about Generation Patient and their different initiatives at the links below:
Generation Patient's website
Community and resources for college students with chronic conditions
Registration for Generation Patient's 2023 Virtual Health Advocacy Summit
The Crohn’s and Colitis Young Adults Network
Be sure to follow Generation Patient on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram and our guest, Sneha Dave, on Twitter!
Stay tuned for the next new episode of DNA Today on Friday, June 16th, 2023 where our host Kira Dineen sits down with a household name and an icon in the world of talk shows. New episodes are released every Friday. In the meantime, you can binge over 240 other episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, streaming on the website, or any other podcast player by searching, “DNA Today”. Episodes since 2021 are also recorded with video which you can watch on our YouTube channel.
DNA Today is hosted and produced by Kira Dineen. Our social media lead is Corinne Merlino. Our video lead is Amanda Andreoli. Our Outreach Intern is Sanya Tinaikar. Our Social Media Intern is Kajal Patel. And our Graphic Designer Ashlyn Enokian.
See what else we are up to on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube and our website, DNAToday.com. Questions/inquiries can be sent to info@DNAtoday.com.
TrakGene has designed a genetics electronic health record. Here’s what it features: pedigrees, demographic data, genetics information, risk tools, and sophisticated reporting, all within a clinician designed workflow. It integrates within other clinical genetic software, databases, and hospital information systems to maintain accurate patient records. You can learn more in episodes 208, 210, and 237 of DNA Today! Use Promo code “DNATODAY” to get $800 off your subscription, that’s a discount of 80% exclusively to DNAToday listeners. Go check it out at trakgene.com. (Sponsored)

Jun 2, 2023 • 47min
#239 Duty To Warn with Janice Berliner
We are joined again by Janice Berliner joining us again on DNA Today. She was a guest on Episode 152 where we talked about her debut novel, Brooke’s Promise. In this episode we are chatting about her second novel, In Good Conscience, which features genetic counseling!
Aside from being a novelist, Janice Berliner is a board certified genetic counselor with more than 32 years of experience. In her roles as both a clinician and as the Director of the Master of Science in Genetic Counseling Program at Bay Path University. Her novels derive from her expertise working with families facing the risk of disease, and the intensely personal and life-altering nature genetic illness can have on family relationships.
On This Episode We Discuss:
How Janice’s genetic counseling experience influenced and inspired her while writing In Good Conscience
The concept of “Duty To Warn” and how this applies in the genetics space
Protections that celebrities have against people sharing their private information in public media spaces
Support and resources available to genetic counselors when facing complex situations involving the duty to warn
How advancements in genetic testing technologies and the availability of direct-to-consumer genetic testing impact the duty to warn
Tease of Janice’s next novel
Advice for applicants on matching from a program director
During the interview Janice mentioned a few cases of breached health data from healthcare workers. In 2007, Palisades Medical Center in New Jersey suspended 27 employees for a month for looking at George Clooney’s medical records after he had been treated for injuries sustained in a motorcycle accident (NY Times). In 2008, UCLA Medical Center fired or suspended more than 25 employees, including 6 physicians, for snooping in Britney Spears’ medical records during her stay in their psychiatric unit (LA Times). Again in 2010, UCLA Medical Center was fined $95,000 for failing to stop employees from accessing Michael Jackson's records. Two hospital workers and two contract employees were terminated (LA Times).
Janice also mentioned the National Society of Genetic Counselors (NSGC) Code of Ethics. We both recommended GC Prep (one of our sponsors) for mentorship and resources on genetic counseling graduate school application process. GC Prep’s Mikayla Stoecker and Janelle Villiers were guests on Episodes #193 and #194 sharing application advice. DNA Today’s Patreon also includes one-on-one mentorship with our host Kira Dineen, you can sign up here.
Kira also mentioned a few other DNA Today episodes including #234 Genetic Counseling History: 1st NSGC Conference and #235 Genetic Counseling History: ABGC Formation,
To learn more about Janice and In Good Conscience, visit her website, or check her out on Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, and Instagram.
We will also give away 5 copies of her book on our social media channels. Search @DNATodayPodcast to enter on Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter! There’s a pic of our host, Kira, with the book on the beach, yes it’s a great beach read! Can’t wait to see if you won, buy the book here on Amazon (don’t forget to leave a review there and on Goodreads).
Stay tuned for the next new episode of DNA Today on June 9th, 2023. New episodes are released every Friday. In the meantime, you can binge over 235 other episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, streaming on the website, or any other podcast player by searching, “DNA Today”. Episodes since 2021 are also recorded with video which you can watch on our YouTube channel.
DNA Today is hosted and produced by Kira Dineen. Our social media lead is Corinne Merlino. Our video lead is Amanda Andreoli. Our Outreach Intern is Sanya Tinaikar. Our Social Media Intern is Kajal Patel. And our Graphic Designer Ashlyn Enokian.
See what else we are up to on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube and our website, DNAToday.com. Questions/inquiries can be sent to info@DNAtoday.com.
TrakGene has designed a genetics electronic health record. Here’s what it features: pedigrees, demographic data, genetics information, risk tools, and sophisticated reporting, all within a clinician designed workflow. It integrates within other clinical genetic software, databases, and hospital information systems to maintain accurate patient records. You can learn more in episodes 208, 210, and 237 of DNA Today! Use Promo code “DNATODAY” to get $800 off your subscription, that’s a discount of 80% exclusively to DNAToday listeners. Go check it out at trakgene.com. (Sponsored)
Did you know that among patients with documented mild cognitive decline, about one-third progress to a diagnosis of Alzhiemer’s Disease? As the Alzheimer’s and dementia field evolves, new diagnostics are being developed working to provide answers in more and more accessible ways. Quest Diagnostics is leading the way in making Alzheimer's testing accessible through assessing biomarkers like ApoE isoforms and Beta-Amyloid plaques with blood instead of spinal fluid. Learn more about Alzheimer's Disease including Quest Diagnostics’s newest risk assessments in DNA Today’s Episode 236. Learn more about Quest’s tests here. (Sponsored)
As a listener of DNA Today, you probably heard me talk about NIPT, non-invasive prenatal screening, that looks for extra or missing chromosome conditions during pregnancy. But did you know there is one that can also screen for recessive disorders (like cystic fibrosis) and fetal antigens? BillionToOne offers UNITY Screen, which does all this from one blood draw from a pregnant person. Visit unityscreen.com for more info. Listen to DNA Today Episode #224 Single Gene NIPT and #225 Fetal Antigen NIPT. (Sponsored)

May 26, 2023 • 54min
#238 Secondary Findings with Caralynn Wilczewski and Andrea Alvarez
We want to take a moment to express our appreciation to all our incredible listeners. We have been enjoying getting to know some of you through our Patreon. As a patron you can gain benefits that take your DNA Today experience to the next level including our exclusive monthly club, behind the scenes podcast views, input on future episodes including interview questions, one on one mentorship with me, physical merch, and more!
Speaking of our patrons, we want to give a special shoutout to some awesome listeners who have already joined us: Matthew, Hannah, Lynn, Sanya, Molly, Emily, Amanda, Ash, Cristina, and Wesley. Your support means the world to us, and we couldn't be more grateful for your contribution. It helps support the show and builds our engaging community. So join us here!
In this episode we are discussing secondary findings and a study exploring what they mean for the patients who receive them.
Joining us for this discussion is Caralynn Wilczewski who is a genetic counselor for the Reverse Phenotyping Core and the Genomic Services Research Program in the National Human Genome Research Institute in the National Institutes of Health. In her current role, she provides genetic counseling and coordinates clinical research that uses a genotype-first approach to advance the goal of predictive genomic medicine. She obtained her bachelor’s in Molecular Biology with Honors from Loyola University Chicago and her PhD in Genetics and Molecular Biology from University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. She then obtained a Master’s degree in Genetic Counseling from the joint program at Johns Hopkins University and the National Institutes of Health.
Also joining us is Andrea Alvarez, a participant in the Genomic Services Research Program. Andrea joined a genetic sequencing study at Morehouse College and received an unexpected genetic test result which Alvarez will discuss in this episode!
In this episode we are discussing secondary findings, and a study exploring what they mean for the patients who receive them. Stay tuned as we will have another secondary findings installment coming soon to DNA Today!
On This Episode We Discuss:
Population health studies and how they help us understand the role of genetics in disease risk and prevention
Secondary findings and how someone might receive one
Opting in/out regarding the reveal of secondary findings in population health studies
What happens after someone finds out they have one of these unexpected genetic risk factors
Andrea’s experience with receiving a surprising secondary finding and how it has impacted her life
Support and next steps for people after the receive a secondary finding
The Genomic Services Research Program’s study for patients with secondary findings and what it can offer to folks who participate
How we can ensure that population health studies related to genetics are conducted in a way that is inclusive and representative of diverse populations
If you’d like to learn more about secondary findings, check out the ACMG Recommendations for Reporting of Incidental Findings in Clinical Exome and Genome Sequencing and this news article!
Join or refer a patient to the Genomic Services Research Program (GSRP) study on secondary findings by filling out this survey. More resources below!
Secondary findings resources for listeners: Clinicians
List of ACMG secondary findings genes
ClinGen Actionability Knowledge Repository: Search by gene or condition for brief summaries of most secondary findings conditions and risks with recommendations for surveillance, management, and treatment.
ACMG ACT sheets: Short summaries of a few secondary findings genes and conditions with instructions on next steps for clinicians whose patients receive one of these results.
Secondary findings resources for listeners: Patients
MedlinePlus Genetics: What are secondary findings from genetic testing?
MedlinePlus Genetics: Patient-friendly information about genetic conditions and how genes can play a role in our health.
If you’re interested in learning more about the Genomic Services Research Program and their study about secondary findings, please email them (gsrp@NIH.gov), call or text 240-408-0447, or visit genome.gov/GSRP.
Stay tuned for the next new episode of DNA Today on June 2nd, 2023 where we’ll be joined by Janice Berliner to discuss her latest novel, In Good Conscience, a genetics novel! New episodes are released every Friday. In the meantime, you can binge over 235 other episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, streaming on the website, or any other podcast player by searching, “DNA Today”. Episodes since 2021 are also recorded with video which you can watch on our YouTube channel.
DNA Today is hosted and produced by Kira Dineen. Our social media lead is Corinne Merlino. Our video lead is Amanda Andreoli. Our Outreach Intern is Sanya Tinaikar. Our Social Media Intern is Kajal Patel. And our Graphic Designer Ashlyn Enokian.
See what else we are up to on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube and our website, DNAToday.com. Questions/inquiries can be sent to info@DNAtoday.com.
TrakGene has designed a genetics electronic health record. Here’s what it features: pedigrees, demographic data, genetics information, risk tools, and sophisticated reporting, all within a clinician designed workflow. It integrates within other clinical genetic software, databases, and hospital information systems to maintain accurate patient records. You can learn more in episodes 208, 210, and 237 of DNA Today! Use Promo code “DNATODAY” to get $800 off your subscription, that’s a discount of 80% exclusively to DNAToday listeners. Go check it out at trakgene.com. (Sponsored)
Did you know that among patients with documented mild cognitive decline, about one-third progress to a diagnosis of Alzhiemer’s Disease? As the Alzheimer’s and dementia field evolves, new diagnostics are being developed working to provide answers in more and more accessible ways. Quest Diagnostics is leading the way in making Alzheimer's testing accessible through assessing biomarkers like ApoE isoforms and Beta-Amyloid plaques with blood instead of spinal fluid. Learn more about Alzheimer's Disease including Quest Diagnostics’s newest risk assessments in DNA Today’s Episode 236. Learn more about Quest’s tests here. (Sponsored)
As a listener of DNA Today, you probably heard me talk about NIPT, non-invasive prenatal screening, that looks for extra or missing chromosome conditions during pregnancy. But did you know there is one that can also screen for recessive disorders (like cystic fibrosis) and fetal antigens? BillionToOne offers UNITY Screen, which does all this from one blood draw from a pregnant person. Visit unityscreen.com for more info. Listen to DNA Today Episode #224 Single Gene NIPT and #225 Fetal Antigen NIPT. (Sponsored)

May 19, 2023 • 40min
#237 Digital Tools for Cancer Outreach with Michelle Bowman
The podcast discusses the use of digital tools in cancer genetic counseling and explores topics such as diversity, equity, inclusion, and justice in healthcare and genetics. It also covers the complexity of accessing healthcare, advancements in prenatal testing, diagnostics for Alzheimer's and dementia, and the use of technology in cancer outreach.

May 12, 2023 • 40min
#236 Assessing for Alzheimer’s Disease with Quest Diagnostics
If you are listening to a genetics podcast, then I know you are a nerd that also likes reading genetic books and watching genetics movies and shows. There aren’t many genetics clubs out there for nerds like us, so we launched a Patreon where we could do just that! This is the benefit that was asked for the most when we were designing our Patreon was an exclusive monthly club where we chat about a genetics book or movie or we focus on mentorship in becoming a genetic counselor (like application/interview insight and boards prep). So if you want to be in these live Zooms with me and our team, sign up now!
Shoutout to our new Patrons Molly, Emily, Cristina, Wesley , Hannah, Amanda, Lynn, Ashlyn, and Sanya ! Join our Patreon community here. If you sign up by May 25th I will throw in an extra gift in the mail for you!
Join our Patreon community here. If you sign up by May 25th I will throw in an extra gift in the mail for you!
Alzheimer’s is the most feared health condition of later life among retirees, ranking higher than COVID-19, cancer, heart attack and stroke (Reference). Answers from risk assessments and diagnostic testing can help clinicians and those dealing with cognitive decline in themselves or loved ones choose a path forward. As the Alzheimer’s and dementia fields evolve and as new therapies come out, new diagnostic tools are also being developed with the goal of providing answers that are accessible.
With all of these new diagnostic advancements, it can be challenging for clinicians to determine what to order and when. Susan Hahn, a genetic counselor and expert in the field of Alzheimer’s disease, is joining us from Quest Diagnostics to speak on the newest risk assessment advances including some recently launched tests from Quest and what patient types they make the most sense for.
Providing the patient perspective, we have Rebecca Chopp joining us from the University of Chicago. Rebecca was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s about three years ago, and currently serves on the board of Voices of Alzheimer’s as an advocate. She’ll be joining us to speak on her experience receiving a diagnosis and how she has since learned to “live with joy”.
Rebecca Chopp, Ph.D., is a widely published author, editor, and academic in the fields of education, philosophy, religion, and feminism. She served as the 18th, and first female, Chancellor of the University of Denver. She was additionally President of Swarthmore College and Colgate University, and she served as Provost and Executive Vice President for Academic Affairs at Emory University and as a Dean at Yale University. Chopp has served on the Governing Board of the Association of American Colleges and Universities, Olin University, The Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching, and American Council on Education. Currently, Rebecca is an Alzheimer's Advocate who serves on the Board of the Colorado Alzheimer's Association, paints classical portraits and hikes, bikes and walks Buhdy, her dog. An ordained minister, she is currently working on a book entitled Art, Spirit, Body: Ways to Live While Dying from Alzheimer's.
Susan Hahn, MS, CGC is a highly accomplished, strategic, and charismatic genetics professional who spent the past two decades initiating and leading research, outreach, education, and policy activities to facilitate and expand the responsible translation of genomic medicine in the clinical setting. She has published numerous peer-reviewed articles, encyclopedia entries and chapters. As a result of her long-standing interest in professional, public, and childhood education, she has development and administered numerous undergraduate and graduate courses, public outreach events, web resources, conferences, and print materials. As an active leader, Susan has Chaired or Co-chaired numerous committees and task forces for ABGC and NSGC. In 2014, she was President of the American Board of Genetic Counseling. Susan currently works for Quest Diagnostics as Director of Health Economics and Outcomes Research.
On This Episode We Discuss:
An overview of Alzheimer's disease, how it affects the brain and cognition, and some of the early signs and symptoms
Genes implicated in Alzheimer’s disease and how they are inherited
The relationship of the APOE gene to Alzheimer’s disease and the three alleles (e2, e3, e4) and how they correlate to risk for developing the condition
Chris Hemsworth and the APOE e4 allele
Recommendations for pursuing genetic testing and the limitations of these tests
Quest’s diagnostic blood test and future applications
Recommendations to mitigate risk in individuals that have 1 to 2 copies of the e4 version of the APOE gene
Options for people diagnosed with Alzheimer’s disease
Rebecca’s diagnostic odyssey, how she has coped with her diagnosis, and how art and spirituality have aided in her positive mindset
You can connect with our guest, Susan Hahn, on Twitter and LinkedIn. If you’re interested in learning more about Quest Diagnostics and their Alzheimer’s blood test, you can visit their website, or follow them on Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, and Instagram.
If you’re interested in learning more about the patient experience with Alzheimer’s disease, you can check out this Washington Post article featuring Rebecca Chopp that we mentioned in this episode and features Rebecca Chopp, the movie Still Alice, Alzheimer's Association, and Voices of Alzheimer’s.
Stay tuned for the next new episode of DNA Today on May 19th, 2023, where we’ll be exploring the utilization of digital tools to reach patients who can benefit from cancer genetic counseling. Our guest is Australian genetic counselor, Michelle Bowman.
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Want to become a genetic counselor? Looking for ways to engage with the field and boost your resume for grad school applications? Then you should check out Sarah Lawrence’s “Why Genetic Counseling Wednesday Summer Series”! Every Wednesday this June (plus the last Wednesday in May) Sarah Lawrence is hosting a series where you can interact through Zoom with genetic counselors from different specialties. It kicks off on May 31st! You can sign up at SLC.edu/DNAtoday. Again visit SLC.edu/DNAtoday to register to level up your resume for applications in the fall. (Sponsored)
As a listener of DNA Today, you probably heard me talk about NIPT, non-invasive prenatal screening, that looks for extra or missing chromosome conditions during pregnancy. But did you know there is one that can also screen for recessive disorders (like cystic fibrosis) and fetal antigens? BillionToOne offers UNITY Screen, which does all this from one blood draw from a pregnant person. Visit unityscreen.com for more info. Listen to DNA Today Episode #224 Single Gene NIPT and #225 Fetal Antigen NIPT. (Sponsored)

May 5, 2023 • 37min
#235 Genetic Counseling History: ABGC Formation
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We are continuing our peek into the past! Last episode we explored the history of the genetic counseling field with Michelle Fox and Debra Collins who shared about the first annual National Society of Genetic Counselors (NSGC) conferences. In this episode we are learning about the formation of the American Board of Genetic Counseling (aka ABGC) with Ann Walker and Ed Kloza.
Ann Platt Walker, MA, LCGC has held many leadership positions including the Founding President and Director of the American Board of Genetic Counseling (ABGC), President of the National Society of Genetic Counselors (NSGC) in 1982, and has been on the Board of Directors for the American Board of Medical Genetics (ABMG), American Society of Human Genetics (ASHG), and the American Council for Genetic Counseling (ACGC). During Ann’s career she held roles at the University of California, Irvine Medical Center including as the program director for the Master’s of Science in Genetic Counseling Program for over two decades. She has authored over 20 peer reviewed publications, 10 book chapters, and countless abstracts and presentations. Ann has been awarded many times through her impressive career including the Natalie Weissberger Paul National Achievement and Leadership Awards from NSGC.
Ed Kloza, MS, LCGC was the first genetic counselor in Maine. He helped establish clinical genetics in Southern Maine and pioneered prenatal serum screening at the Foundation for Blood Research in Scarborough, and was a member of the team from Women & Infants Hospital of Rhode Island which published the first international clinical validation study of cell-free DNA screening. He was key in the development of the genetic counseling profession including as a past president of NSGC (the first, and one of only two males elected to that position), and in helping create the American Board of Genetic Counseling (which we are focusing on today). In 2000, Ed was honored with the Natalie Weissberger Paul National Achievement Award. Currently Ed is the genetics education consultant for the New England Regional Genetics Network (NERGN) and is an adjunct Professor at Bay Path University with their graduate Genetic Counseling program.
On This Episode We Discuss:
The ABGC versus the NSGC and which came first!
The early days of board exams
What prompted the creation of the ABGC in 1992
Challenges in forming ABGC
The original goals of ABGC as an organization
The first ABGC president and other key players
When ABGC began to accredit genetic counseling programs
Establishing practice-based competencies
If you want to learn more about the history of the GC field, check out Episode 136 with Linda Robinson . Episode 31 with Robin Schwartz also gives a great overview of the field.
You can learn more about ABGC by heading to their website, or by following them on Twitter, Facebook, and LinkedIn.
Stay tuned for the next new episode of DNA Today on May 12th, 2023, where we’ll be discussing risk assessment advances for Alzheimer’s disease! New episodes are released every Fridays. In the meantime, you can binge over 235 other episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, streaming on the website, or any other podcast player by searching, “DNA Today”. Episodes since 2021 are also recorded with video which you can watch on our YouTube channel.
DNA Today is hosted and produced by Kira Dineen. Our social media lead is Corinne Merlino. Our video lead is Amanda Andreoli. Our Outreach Intern is Sanya Tinaikar. Our Social Media Intern is Kajal Patel. And our Graphic Designer Ashlyn Enokian.
See what else we are up to on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube and our website, DNAToday.com. Questions/inquiries can be sent to info@DNAtoday.com.
Want to become a genetic counselor? Looking for ways to engage with the field and boost your resume for grad school applications? Then you should check out Sarah Lawrence’s “Why Genetic Counseling Wednesday Summer Series”! Every Wednesday this June (plus the last Wednesday in May) Sarah Lawrence is hosting a series where you can interact through Zoom with genetic counselors from different specialties. It kicks off on May 31st! You can sign up at SLC.edu/DNAtoday. Again visit SLC.edu/DNAtoday to register to level up your resume for applications in the fall. (Sponsored)
As many of you know through podcasting I have become an entrepreneur including consulting for other podcasts. Since I don't have a business degree I have learned a lot through podcasts like Porch Talks. The inspiration to start this show was from the host Melissa Bradley who wanted to inform, instruct, and inspire fellow entrepreneurs, especially in people who identify as women, people of color, immigrants, veterans, people with disabilities, and folks in the LGBTQIA+ community (which drew me in initially). So if you are thinking about starting a business or just love hearing stories about how businesses grow, Porch Talks is for you. (Sponsored)
Surely you have heard of whole genome sequencing, but what about rapid and ultra-rapid whole genome sequencing? This is an emerging method of diagnosing genetic conditions for quick management. PerkinElmer Genomics offers this incredibly valuable test, which can be life saving for ill babies and kids. Learn more in our full episode (#226) with PerkinElmer Genomics. You can visit perkinelmergenomics.com for more information. (Sponsored)


