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Aug 12, 2025 • 1h 8min
What Got You Here Won't Get You There: Reflecting on Product Leadership Blind Spots with Cassie Campbell and Carmen Palmer
Join Carmen Palmer, CEO of Women in Product, as she chats with Cassie Campbell, a fractional CPO coach and founder, about the insights from their powerful podcast series focused on product leadership coaching. This episode delves into the importance of coaching, distinguishing it from training, and its value for product leaders. They discuss key themes from the series, personal experiences, challenges, and the role of community, especially for Women in Product. Cassie also shares her journey and how coaching can uncover blind spots, foster growth, and enhance leadership quality. Whether you're a seasoned product leader or just starting, this episode offers valuable takeaways to navigate your career journey.00:00 Introduction and Host Transition00:36 Unpacking the Podcast's Focus on Leadership Coaching02:09 Themes from Top Coaches02:34 Customer Discovery and Outcome-Oriented Product Management04:19 The Importance of Context in Coaching10:53 Personal Takeaways and Blind Spots17:58 The Value of Executive Coaching25:23 Treating Learning and Development as a Product32:20 Navigating Financial Conversations in Product Leadership34:14 Behind the Scenes: Building the Podcast Series35:45 The Importance of Coaching in Product Leadership36:58 Key Takeaways from Podcast Production40:00 Addressing Team Challenges and Conflict47:55 The Role of AI in Product Management50:58 A Day in the Life of a Fractional CPO and Coach58:52 The Power of Community and Women in Product📚Resources:Book: What Got You Here Won’t Get You There by Marshall Goldsmith and Mark Reiter - We used the saying “what got you here won’t get you there” in this episode and I thought it important to share that was not to refer to this book. However, I’ve started reading the book and can highly recommend to anyone curious about coaching.Book: Transformed - Moving to the Product Operating Model by Marty Cagan Book: Trillion Dollar Coach by Eric Schmidt Book: Reboot - Leadership and the Art of Growing Up by Jerry Colonna✨Where to find Carmen:On LinkedIn💫 Where to find Cassie:Substack: Athena & JazzOn LinkedIn At Cassie Camp - Learn more about product leadership coaching and fractional product leadership🙋🏻♀️Where to find Women in Product:On LinkedIn Website https://womenpm.org/Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/

Jul 22, 2025 • 50min
Non-PM Advice Every Product Leader Needs: A Product-Market Fit Conversation with Rob Snyder
This is a must-listen episode for any founders, especially those using “AI Agentic Coding” or “Vibe Coding” to quickly build concepts and now need to think about finding product-market fit. Even if you’re an experienced PM, you’re bound to expand your aperture and understanding of the “path to PMF” with this episode.In this episode, we sit down with Rob Snyder, a two-time founder and current fellow at Harvard Innovation Lab, to discuss his unique approach to finding product-market fit. Rob shares his journey from McKinsey and Harvard Business School to the realities of startup life, emphasizing the challenges and lessons learned in the 'pain cave.' We delve into the importance of understanding true customer demand, avoiding common discovery pitfalls, and the real meaning of pivoting. Rob also offers insights into his bootcamp and one-on-one coaching for early-stage founders, illustrating how to extract actionable insights from sales calls and get on the same side of the table with potential customers. This conversation is a must-watch for product managers and founders navigating the complexities of the zero-to-one phase of product development. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome02:39 Rob Snyder's Background and Journey04:54 The Importance of Product Market Fit08:42 Understanding Customer Demand14:55 Discovery and Validation in Startups19:48 Navigating Pivots and Iterations23:32 Introduction to Founder Sales25:02 Challenges Founders Face with Sales26:45 Effective Sales Strategies28:31 Bootcamp for Founders31:38 Coaching and Real-World Examples35:48 The Role of AI in Sales Discovery38:00 Finding Product-Market Fit44:27 Working with Rob and Final Thoughts📚Resources:The Path to Product Market Fit Slide DeckThe Path to Product Market Fit Video Workshop✨Where to find Rob:On LinkedInWebsite: Finding PullSubstack: How To Grow💫 Where to find Cassie:On LinkedIn At Cassie Camp - Learn more about product leadership coaching and fractional product leadershipSubstack: Athena & Jazz🙋🏻♀️Where to find Women in Product:On LinkedIn Website https://womenpm.org/Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/

Jul 17, 2025 • 49min
Jessica Nelson Kohel on Strengthening Product Teams Through Immersive Coaching
Join us in this episode with Jessica Nelson Kohel, founder and CEO of PMX Group, a niche product consultancy. Jessica discusses the intersections of product coaching, training, and consulting, and provides insights into the benefits of bringing outside perspectives into product teams. From supporting founder-led companies in scaling their product orgs to aiding new VPs of Product, Jessica shares engaging stories and valuable lessons on effective team dynamics, leadership, and immersive discovery processes. Learn about the importance of trust, the nuances of CEO-product leader relationships, and the power of collaborative coaching for product excellence.00:00 Welcome and Introduction00:27 Jessica's Background and PMX Group00:56 Transitioning to Consulting02:01 The Value of an Outside Perspective04:18 Challenges of Being an FTE05:54 The Rise of Super ICs09:08 Coaching and Upskilling Product Teams11:33 Immersive Discovery Approach17:31 Building Trust and Accurate Diagnosis20:23 Engaging with Stakeholders23:31 Supporting New Product Leaders42:49 Peer Coaching and Team Support📚Resources:Peer Coaching & Community Resources MentionedWomen in ProductLenny’s NewsletterContinuous Discovery HabitsCollaborative GainProduct Leader Summit ✨Where to find Jessica:On LinkedInThe PMX Group💫 Where to find Cassie:On LinkedIn At Cassie Camp - Learn more about product leadership coaching and fractional product leadership🙋🏻♀️Where to find Women in Product:On LinkedIn Website https://womenpm.org/Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/

Jul 8, 2025 • 32min
Meghna Shah: Bridging the Gap Between Coaching and Consulting with Two in a Box
In this episode of the Women in Product podcast, Meghna Shah of PWC joins Cassie Campbell to discuss the intersection of consulting and coaching in product management. Shah explains the importance of teaching clients how to build product management disciplines, using the analogy of teaching them to fish rather than just delivering the fish. They explore the mindset shifts required to succeed with agile and product management approaches, emphasizing the importance of coaching in making these shifts. Shah shares insights on the 'two in a box' model, where a coach and a product manager work together to ensure skill transfer. The discussion also includes strategies for influencing cross-functional teams, storytelling in product management, and the importance of continuous learning and adapting to technology changes.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome00:37 Meghna Shah's Background and Role at PWC01:23 The Importance of Coaching in Consulting02:09 Mindset Shifts and Agile Practices03:37 Influence and Stakeholder Engagement04:09 Technology's Evolving Role in Business05:24 Coaching for Continuous Improvement13:42 Success Story: Financial Services Organization17:45 Roles in Agile and Product Management21:54 Understanding the Value Chain26:33 Characteristics of Effective Product Teams30:57 Conclusion and Final Thoughts✨Where to find Meghna:On LinkedIn💫 Where to find Cassie:On LinkedIn At Cassie Camp - Learn more about product leadership coaching and fractional product leadership🙋🏻♀️Where to find Women in Product:On LinkedIn Website https://womenpm.org/Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/

Jul 1, 2025 • 55min
Tigers, Caves, and Bets - a Product Strategy Conversation with Coach Andrew Skotzko
In this engaging conversation, Andrew Skotzko, a seasoned product leadership coach and strategic advisor, shares his unique journey from growth hacking to product management. He discusses the vital difference between strategy and planning, introducing strategy as a series of calculated bets. Listeners will learn how to align product strategies with business goals, the importance of avoiding the 'strategy cave' mindset, and when to hire a coach. Andrew’s insights emphasize adaptability, continuous improvement, and the crucial role of collaboration in product leadership.

Jun 24, 2025 • 37min
Coco Brown on Career Care: The New Self-Care for Women in Leadership
In this insightful episode, we welcome Coco Brown, a multi-time entrepreneur and CEO of Athena Alliance. Coco shares her journey in Silicon Valley, her experience in HR and IT, and her mission to support women in leadership roles. She discusses the importance of career care, the power of coaching, and offers valuable advice for leaders navigating challenging times. With a focus on women in product roles, Coco emphasizes the opportunities for growth and diversification in their careers. She also shares her views on improving executive team dynamics and leveraging coaching for personal and professional development.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome01:01 Cocoa Brown's Career Journey05:50 The Power of Coaching06:20 Leadership Traits in Challenging Times09:49 The Role of Coaching in Leadership18:18 Women Investing in Career Care23:11 Paths for Product Leaders30:45 Executive Team Development36:30 Conclusion and Farewell📚Resources:Radical Candor by Kim Scott✨Where to find Coco Brown:On LinkedInExecutive Edge - Women in Product & Athena AllianceAthena Alliance💫 Where to find Cassie:On LinkedIn At Cassie Camp - Learn more about product leadership coaching and fractional product leadership🙋🏻♀️Where to find Women in Product:On LinkedIn Website https://womenpm.org/Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/

Jun 17, 2025 • 45min
Navigating Leadership with Confidence and Curiosity with Bosky Mukherjee
In this episode, Cassie welcomes Bosky Mukherjee, the prolific founder of PM Dojo and SheTrailblazes, and a veteran product advisor, leadership coach, and trainer. Bosky discusses her journey into product leadership, the formation of PM Dojo, and her mission to support women in product management. The conversation delves into the nuances of product management training versus coaching, the impact of AI on the industry, and strategies for driving cultural shifts within organizations. Bosky also shares insights on balancing humility with confidence and offers practical advice on leveraging coaching to unlock business potential and personal growth.More about Bosky:Bosky Mukherjee, an executive tech leader with over 22 years of global experience—spanning early-stage startups to high-growth companies like Atlassian.She’s the founder of SheTrailblazes and a powerful force for change in how women succeed, thrive, and rise to the top. Through her flagship program, Leadership Edge, Bosky equips women to lead with strategic visibility and executive communication—fast-tracking their path to promotion, all the way to the C-suite, and when the time is right, into entrepreneurship.Her work isn’t just about career growth. It’s about power, parity, and making sure women aren’t just at the table—but driving the agenda.Bosky is also the founder of PMDojo, where she helps companies build stronger, more strategic innovation teams—equipping product and technology talent to drive bigger business impact and communicate with executive fluency.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome00:49 Bosky's Journey into Product Leadership01:36 Challenges and Realizations in the Executive Room03:05 Founding PM Dojo and Its Mission04:50 AI in Product Management09:41 Training vs. Product Leadership Coaching11:05 Coaching Styles and Skills Development15:03 Working with Companies and Teams18:56 Driving Cultural Shifts in Organizations23:19 Assigning Dollar Value to Business Transformation23:33 Navigating Product Leadership Challenges24:38 Implementing Small Shifts for Big Changes25:25 Facilitating Business Conversations26:47 Success Stories and Skill Development28:39 Working It Out: Lessons from School30:26 Confidence, Humility, and Curiosity31:55 Hiring a Coach: When and Why34:53 Building Community and Networking38:18 Creative Budget Solutions for Product Teams44:10 Conclusion and Final Thoughts📚Resources:✨Where to find Bosky Mukherjee:On LinkedInSheTrailblazesPMDojo💫 Where to find Cassie:On LinkedIn At Cassie Camp - Learn more about product leadership coaching and fractional product leadership🙋🏻♀️Where to find Women in Product:On LinkedIn Website https://womenpm.org/Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/

Jun 10, 2025 • 45min
Hope Gurion: Leading Fearlessly and Coaching Across the Product Universe
Welcome to the podcast featuring Hope Gurion, an esteemed product leadership coach. She is recommended by Marty Cagan in his book, Transformed, has moderated product leadership councils with Phyl Terry’s Collaborative Gain, and works with Teresa Torres in training teams on Continuous Discovery Habits. In this episode, Hope delves into her extensive background in product management, sharing insights from over 25 years in the tech industry, her roles as Chief Product Officer, and SVP of Product. She discusses her transition from consulting to coaching, offering valuable guidance on becoming outcome-oriented and enhancing team effectiveness. Hope covers the challenges of finding the right company fit, the nuances between training and coaching, and key strategies for cross-functional collaboration. Tune in for actionable advice on elevating your product management career.00:00 Introduction and Welcome00:39 Hope Gurion's Background01:54 Transition to Coaching03:37 Challenges in Product Leadership04:55 Coaching and Training Approach07:25 Importance of Discovery in Product Management09:47 Balancing Training and Coaching15:57 Selecting the Right Coach18:51 Defining Success in Product Leadership21:33 Peer-Based Coaching vs. One-on-One Coaching28:23 Transformation in Organizations39:57 Podcast Origin Story and Conclusion📚Resources:Fearless Product Podcast & Mentioned episodes:S2 Ep. 2: How Do You Balance Investing in Tech Debt vs Customer Value?S1 Ep. 8: How Do You Say No to the CEO?Transformed by Marty Cagan - Hope is profiled as an exemplary product coachCollaborative Gain with Phyl Terry - Hope is a moderator for product leader peer councilsContinuous Discovery Habits at Product Talk with Teresa Torres - Hope trains teams✨Where to find Hope Gurion:On LinkedInHope’s Website - https://fearless-product.com/ 💫 Where to find Cassie:On LinkedIn At Cassie Camp - Learn more about product leadership coaching and fractional product leadership🙋🏻♀️Where to find Women in Product:On LinkedIn Website https://womenpm.org/Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/

Jun 3, 2025 • 52min
Tim Herbig Connecting the dots of Product Strategy, Product OKRs, and Product Discovery
Tim Herbig Connecting the dots of Product Strategy, Product OKRs, and Product DiscoveryIn this episode, we welcome Tim Herbig, a product leadership coach with a special focus on OKRs, in addition to product strategy and discovery. Tim shares his unique journey from product management to coaching, elaborating on the complexities and nuances of implementing OKRs in various business contexts. Through his insightful discussion, Tim covers the misconceptions about OKRs, the importance of adapting them to your specific needs, and effective strategies for measuring success. He also dives into the integration of product discovery and product strategy with OKRs, offering practical advice for product leaders facing challenges with OKR implementation. Whether you're in a startup or a large enterprise, Tim's expertise provides valuable perspectives on how to make OKRs work for your team.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome00:48 Tim Herbig's Journey into Product Management01:52 Transition to Coaching and Consultancy03:53 Specialization in OKRs and Product Management06:50 Adapting OKRs to Different Contexts09:46 Challenges and Strategies in OKR Implementation13:58 Measuring Success and Influence in OKRs22:47 OKRs in Product vs. Broader Company Context25:38 The Role of OKRs in Strategy and Discovery27:11 Confidence and Hypotheses in Strategy29:36 OKRs in Startups vs. Large Enterprises32:07 Adapting OKRs to Fit Your Context33:47 Common Misconceptions and Best Practices40:00 Aligning OKRs Across Teams47:43 When to Bring in OKR Support50:57 Conclusion and Contact Information📚Resources:Book: Radical Focus by Christina WodtkeBook: Measure What Matters by John DoerrArticle: Zone of control vs Sphere of influenceArticle: Ravi Mehta's Narrative, Commitments, and Tasks Framework✨Where to find Tim Herbig:On LinkedInTim’s Website - https://herbig.co 💫 Where to find Cassie:On LinkedIn At Cassie Camp - Learn more about product leadership coaching and fractional product leadership🙋🏻♀️Where to find Women in Product:On LinkedIn Website https://womenpm.org/Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/

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May 27, 2025 • 48min
Unleashing the Leader Within: Tami Reiss on Coaching and Mastering Influence to Maximize Impact
Tami Reiss is an experienced product leader and coach who shares her journey from product management to CEO. She emphasizes the vital role of continuous learning and strategic planning in professional growth. Tami discusses the different types of product coaches and the importance of building long-term relationships. She also provides actionable tips for influencing cross-functional teams and highlights how effective stakeholder management can enhance collaboration. Discover why coaching is a crucial tool for product leaders aiming to maximize their impact.