Rob Lister is a designer in healthcare, creating meaningful experiences in many arenas, including medical device design, care delivery, service design, and population health strategy. His experience as a design leader at IDEO and AT&T, and his background as a mechanical engineer, inform a strategic and operationally focused approach to innovation in healthcare. We talk about service design in healthcare and using design thinking to innovate in the healthcare industry. Listen to learn about: >> The power of design thinking to rethink and reshape healthcare >> Designing in complex systems >> The unique challenges of designing within healthcare systems >> Future Medical Systems’ work Our Guest Rob Lister is a designer in health care, creating meaningful experiences in many arenas, including medical device design, care delivery service design, and population health strategy. His experience as a design leader at IDEO and AT&T — and his background as a mechanical engineer — inform a strategic and operationally-focused approach to innovation in health care. He has collaborated with organizations ranging from pharma/tech giants (Eli Lilly and 3M Health Care), care providers (Stanford Health Care and SCAN Health) to early-stage medtech startups (Tusker Medical and Arrinex). Show Highlights [02:17] Rob offers appreciation for the DT 101 podcast. [02:44] Rob’s design Genesis story. [03:42] Starting as a mechanical engineer. [04:08] Getting to work at IDEO. [04:56] Rob’s passion for the healthcare industry. [05:32] Leading IDEO’s medical products team. [06:51] Rob’s brief interlude as the Director of Design at AT&T. [07:01] Co-founding Future Medical Systems. [07:44] Using design thinking in the healthcare industry. [09:04] Working with the nurses on medication safety practices at Lucile Packard Hospitals. [10:36] Medication injury is a massive, systemic issue in healthcare. [13:40] The role of communication in systems’ breakdowns. [17:08] The designer’s blessing. [18:35] The evolution of service design from product design. [22:24] Design thinking’s effect on risk mitigation design. [22:50] The importance of co-designing in service design. [23:43] Prototyping in real time at the point of care. [24:03] Rob’s three pillars of design thinking. [24:56] Future Medical Systems’ “micro pilots.” [25:53] Finding less risky ways of creating change within a system. [27:24] Rob talks about one of his healthcare dream projects: what happens after discharge when patients go home? [31:42] A Miro Moment. [33:00] Dawan asks Rob to talk about some of his other dream projects. [33:32] How do we find ways of better involving family members in a patient’s care? [34:32] Creating better frameworks around patient informed consent. [34:59] Involving nurses more in decision making. [36:44] Rob offers gratitude for nurses. [38:05] Where to learn more about Rob and his work, and advice from Rob for those who might want to get into designing for healthcare. Links Rob on LinkedIn Rob on Medium Future Medical Systems Book Recommendations Discovery Design: Design Thinking for Healthcare Improvement, by Future Medical Systems and The Risk Authority Other Design Thinking 101 Episodes You Might Like Healthcare Innovation + Nursing + Opportunities for Designers — DT101 E109 A Designer's Journey into Designing for Health and Healthcare with Lorna Ross — DT101 E45  Designing Health Systems + Creating Effective Design Workshops with Sean Molloy — DT101 E44

Shipra Kayan is a product evangelist at Miro, a designer, and a facilitator. She has built inclusive, engaged, and effective distributed teams at companies like Upwork and Miro. Armed with two decades of experience teaching design teams to collaborate across time zones, cultures, and knowledge silos, Shipra is a leading advocate for adopting visual collaboration within distributed teams. We talk about facilitation, Miro, and remote teams. Listen to learn about: >> How to help remote teams be successful >> The importance of facilitation >> The many ways Miro can help teams, remote or in-person, to collaborate and achieve better outcomes Our Guest Shipra Kayan is an entrepreneur and designer dedicated to transforming the way we work together as a global community. Based on her core belief that every human is inherently valuable and capable, Shipra’s vision is to create a world where two people of any cultural or geographic origin can come together to collaborate and build. Show Highlights [02:04] Starting out as a designer in Silicon Valley and discovering Miro.[05:27] Being one of Miro’s first customers.[05:40] Proving the belief that design can only be done in person wrong.[06:26] Miro is a collaborative canvas.[06:49] Figuring out what remote teams needed to succeed.[08:33] How Shipra plans meetings and workshops using Miro.[09:24] Tips from Shipra to help participants stay focused on the work.[13:14] Asking participants: how might we fail?[15:00] Getting teams to be playful and take risks.[16:25] One game Shipra likes to use to get a team’s creative juices flowing.[18:26] The challenge of virtual environments compared to physical ones.[19:50] Ways Shipra is bringing more physicality to the virtual environment.[23:25] Dawan and Shipra discuss how they are always finding new ways to use Miro.[28:34] A Miro Moment.[30:09] Shipra has seen a movement within the design community of designers wanting to improve their facilitation skills.[32:36] Dawan would like to see tools like Miro in greater use throughout higher education.[34:19] Miro is just as useful for face-to-face work as well.[37:19] Dawan and Shipra talk about designing an event from the outcome you want at the end.[40:28] Shipra’s advice to other designers. Links Shipra on LinkedInShipra on TwitterShipra on Medium Shipra’s Appreciation Circle in Miro What I've learned from facilitating over 100 remote collaborative workshops Drawing Session in Miro Bridging the Talent Gap Between Silicon Valley and East Africa Through UX3 strategies any leader can use to spot and move past groupthink Interview with Shipra on Rosenfeld MediaDesign Hires Interviews Shipra Kayan Other Design Thinking 101 Episodes You Might Like Teams, Sprints, Prototyping, and Better Meetings with Douglas Ferguson — DT101 E59Collaboration + Facilitation + Workshops with Austin Govella — DT101 E83Designing Facilitation: A System for Creating and Leading Exceptional Events // ALD 006 — DT101 E73

Sheryl Cababa, a human-centered design practitioner, discusses equity-centered design, systems thinking, co-creation, and her book on systems thinking for designers. They explore challenges in complex systems, visual collaboration using Miro, and enhancing design thinking through understanding human behavior and systems.

Kip Lee is a designer and healthcare executive at University Hospitals Health System in Cleveland, OH. As Vice President of UH Ventures, he manages an innovation portfolio that supports University Hospitals’ strategic initiatives and partnerships through product innovation and human-centered design. Outside of work, Kip serves on the editorial board of Design Issues, a design and innovation journal published by MIT Press. He also serves on several nonprofit boards. We talk about systems and design in healthcare. Listen to learn about: >> Complex systems >> Design in healthcare >> What is the role of management? >> The COVID-19 pandemic’s effect on healthcare innovation >> The interplay between design and management Our Guest Kipum (Kip) Lee, PhD is a designer and healthcare executive at University Hospitals Health System in Cleveland, OH. As Vice President of UH Ventures, he manages an innovation portfolio that supports University Hospitals’ strategic initiatives and partnerships through product innovation and human-centered design. Outside of work, he serves as an editor of Design Issues, the premier journal on design history, theory, criticism, and practice published by MIT Press, and on several non-profit boards. In addition to playing with his two kids, Kip loves used hardcover books, freshly ground coffee, low-humidity weather, and a good conversation. Show Highlights [01:26] Kip’s journey into design began with a love of drawing and visualization at a very early age. [02:36] Experiencing the New Jersey Governor’s School of the Arts during high school. [04:11] Kip talks about cultural expectations and how that affected his choices as he entered university. [05:09] Why Kip chose bioengineering as an undergrad. [06:20] A brief time in architecture as a graduate student. [07:47] Carnegie Mellon’s interaction design program. [08:27] Kip’s revelation while attending the U.S.’s first ever service design conference. [09:40] The course that made Kip fall in love with learning again. [10:41] How Kip’s studies in architecture and bioengineering have come full circle in his current work in healthcare. [13:51] Designing in complex systems. [14:00] Kip uses the military and warfare as another example of a complex system. [15:38] Looking at healthcare as a complex system. [16:54] Kip offers a pre-pandemic example of the challenges that arose in implementing a new technology. [18:26] Difficulties that can arise with terminology and in how language is used. [19:21] Vaccine hesitancy vs. vaccine readiness. [21:48] Complex systems are multidimensional, and aesthetics is often just as important as the technical. [23:02] Kip offers an example using PPE/masks during the pandemic to show why aesthetics matters. [26:06] The complexities involved in shaping and influencing people’s behaviors and choices [31:16] Dawan brings up the idea of shifting management more into performance facilitation rather than control. [32:43] A Miro Moment. [34:01] Kip likes Henry Mintzberg’s idea of management as “controlled chaos,” maintaining the balance between exploration, freedom, and a sense of order. [35:43] The need for c-suite execs to stay grounded in the actual front line work of the organization. [36:46] Designers as rebels. [37:05] Kip talks about parallel developments in both design and management. [38:43] What can designers learn from management? [41:33] How the pandemic helped healthcare innovation. [42:55] Good designers and good managers both work to create the environment where healthy and exciting interactions and projects can take place. [44:46] Service design’s uniqueness as a discipline. [47:09] The desire to serve is an essential aspect of what it means to be a designer. [47:39] Bruno Latour’s benefits of design. [49:03] Many things that are aspects of design are also aspects of management. [51:10] Designers and managers are often doing the same work. [51:37] Dawan talks about shifting from “solutions” to “responses.” [54:28] Systems have histories and memories. [57:14] Kip offers thoughts and advice for others who want to apply their design skills in the healthcare industry. [01:04:15] Kip’s last words about the design field as a whole. Links Kip on Twitter Kip on LinkedIn Kip on Google Scholar Kip on University Hospitals Ventures Kip on ResearchGate TEDx CLE, Master Builders for the 21st Century Critique of Design Thinking in Organizations: Strongholds and Shortcomings of the Making Paradigm Hack from Home | Discovering Problems in Our Dwelling Place: A Design Thinking Approach Architekton Designing for Value in Specialty Referrals: A New Framework for Eliminating Defects and Wicked Problems, by Patrick Runnels, Heather Wobbe, Kipum Lee, Randy Jernejcic, and Peter Pronovost Book Recommendations Team of Teams: New Rules of Engagement for a Complex World, by General Stanley McChrystal, Tantum Collins, David Silverman, and Chris Fussell The Systems Approach and Its Enemies, by C. West Churchman The Reflective Practitioner: How Professionals Think In Action, by Donald Schön A Cautious Prometheus? A Few Steps Toward a Philosophy of Design (with Special Attention to Peter Sloterdijk), keynote lecture from Bruno Latour Other Design Thinking 101 Episodes You Might Like Healthcare Innovation + Nursing + Opportunities for Designers — DT101 E109 A Designer's Journey into Designing for Health and Healthcare with Lorna Ross — DT101 E45 Service Design in Healthcare Inside Multiple Business Contexts with Jessica Dugan — DT101 E22

Nahal Tavangar is a self-professed generalist who has worked in the public, private, and nonprofit sectors across two continents. These roles and experiences have given her valuable insights into design thinking in various industries, work environments, business models, and workplace cultures. Today, we talk about research workshops, metaphors, and designing feedback. Listen to learn about: >> Designing feedback systems >> The three categories of feedback methods >> How Nahal uses LEGO Serious Play in her work >> Ways of working with visualizations and metaphor in design work Our Guest Nahal is passionate about creating ways to improve existing systems and processes to fit human needs, for the people they serve or may serve. Even before she learned about human-centered design, she was expressing and cultivating this passion in her work. After diving head-first into the Design Thinking community in Washington, D.C. and meeting her German boyfriend-now-husband, she decided to uproot her life in the U.S. in 2014 and move to Germany to pursue her M.A. in Integrated Design, with a focus on Service Design. Her thesis was on the topic of how we might capture more ‘holistic feedback’ in the design process. Nahal is a self-professed ‘generalist’ and has worked in the public, private and non-profit sectors across two continents. These roles seem unrelated at a glance, but the experiences have given her valuable insights into design thinking in various industries, work environments, business models, and workplace cultures. Show Highlights [03:02] Nahal’s journey into design thinking is thanks to a friend’s suggestion. [04:30] Getting involved with the Design Thinking DC community, and starting to apply design thinking to her work in PR. [05:00] Using a “question of the day” to get people in her office to think creatively. [06:23] Moving to Germany to get her master’s degree in service design. [09:00] Nahal’s struggle to call herself a designer. [10:23] Adapting terminology to fit the audience. [11:26] Dawan offers a story about asking workshop participants to sketch. [13:14] Nahal also likes getting people to work with visualizations instead of just talking. [13:37] Nahal talks about creating a customer journey map in her work for a German energy company. [19:09] Another initiative for the company involved diving into customer feedback channels [20:31] Discovering a passion for learning from customer feedback in order to create a learning culture at an organization. [21:46] The need to build connections between research and feedback systems. [22:12] The problem with only using surveys as a feedback mechanism. [22:53] The need for a better feedback system that ensures its insights are used by the organization. [24:47] Dawan talks about the limitations of surveys. [27:15] Nahal’s three categories of feedback methods. [28:23] Nahal gives an example of creating a robust feedback system. [29:33] Feedback systems need to be designed. [30:33] Getting trained in LEGO Serious Play, and how Nahal uses it in her work. [31:41] Nahal talks about the first time she used LEGO Serious Play in a workshop. [33:18] Dawan mentions the power of asking questions. [35:07] Using Image Cards to help people tap into metaphors. [36:09] The power of metaphor. [38:36] A Miro Moment. [40:22] Dealing with imposter syndrome. [41:38] Trust the process – and trust the people. [44:14] Nahal has words of encouragement for those trying to bring design thinking tools into their day-to-day. [46:36] Find ways to discover the needs of your customers. Links Nahal on Twitter Nahal on LinkedIn Nahal on Creative Mornings Nahal’s MA Thesis: Designing Holistic Feedback: A Typology of Methods and Proposed Framework for Soliciting More Comprehensive, Qualitative User Input Pega Book Recommendations How Customers Think: Essential Insights into the Mind of the Market, by Gerald Zaltman Creative Confidence: Unleashing the Creative Potential Within Us All, by Tom Kelley and David Kelley The Power of Moments: Why Certain Experiences Have Extraordinary Impact, by Chip Heath and Dan Heath Trust the Process: An Artist's Guide to Letting Go, by Shaun McNiff The Mom Test: How to talk to customers and learn if your business is a good idea when everyone is lying to you, by Rob Fitzpatrick Good Services: How to Design Services that Work, by Louise Downe Other Design Thinking 101 Episodes You Might Like Design Thinking for the Public Sector + Building and Training Design Thinking Teams with Stephanie Wade — DT101 E14 Experiencing Design: The Innovator’s Journey with Karen Hold — DT101 E71 Designing a Learning System for the Good Life // ALD 013 — DT101 E108

Nick Fink is a design and research leader with over two decades of experience in the industry. Nick currently consults and advises businesses on design and research in Seattle through his company, Craft & Rigor. Listen to learn about: >> Core disciplines of UX design >> What is interaction design? >> What does it mean to be a UX designer today? >> The challenges UX and design face in today’s business environment Our Guest Nick Finck is a design and research leader with over two decades of experience in the industry. He strives to improve people’s lives through crafting well-designed experiences that matter. Nick currently consults and advises businesses on design and research through Craft & Rigor in Seattle. Before this, he was in design and research leadership roles at Amazon Web Services, Facebook, Ubermind, Deloitte Digital, projekt202, and his own agency Blue Flavor. Nick's contributions to the UX community go far and wide. He is an experienced public speaker and has given over 102 talks in 10 countries. He has helped countless industry professionals and career transitioners as a design coach and mentor. Earlier in his career, he was the publisher of Digital Web Magazine, an online magazine for web professionals Show Highlights [02:44] Nick takes us in the wayback machine, back to dialup days and his start in web development. [03:53] Moving from web development into web design, and following that thread into interaction design and UX. [05:53] Nick talks about creating his model highlighting the core disciplines of UX. [07:27] Starting off with user research and understanding your users. [07:53] Communicating through content. [08:12] Adding structure and organization. [08:41] Designing user interactions based on user behavior. [09:38] Evaluating the work. [11:29] Changes Nick would make to his model today. [13:41] What’s happening in UX design today. [15:39] What does it mean to be a UX designer today? [16:02] People are often confused as to what UX design actually is. [16:50] How the confusion has fractured the UX community. [20:45] UX and design teams. [21:12] The concept of design maturity. [23:04] There is a lack of resources and transitional roles for a designer’s career path into management. [24:56] Nick’s “Big Wheel” analogy for design in organizations. [26:00] You probably don’t have enough designers. [27:02] There is more to UX than UI design. [27:46] The disappointment of companies not giving UX design the time and space it needs to really shine. [28:34] You cannot do effective UX design without user research. [30:41] Form ever follows function. [31:55] UX is about helping users solve problems. [32:40] Dawan talks about how Indi Young approaches user research. [33:07] Understanding someone’s purpose as the starting point for design. [34:10] Nick shares an example from his work on the importance of understanding someone’s story and journey. [38:23] A Miro Moment. [40:51] Things Nick wishes companies knew about UX. [41:08] UX is not just about the product. [42:54] Rethinking how your company operates and taking the time to examine legacy tech and processes. [44:45] Bill Buxton’s talk about technology and innovation in technology. [47:06] Nick’s advice for company executives when it comes to design. [48:49] Where to learn more about Nick and his work. [49:31] What Nick does in his business advisory consulting work. [52:34] Sharing what a “yes” would look like to plant the seed for future change. Links Nick on Twitter Nick on LinkedIn Nick’s website Craft and Rigor on Twitter Design Career Network, How to build a well-rounded, effective design team User Defenders Podcast: 036: No Designer Left Behind with Nick Finck Bill Buxton at TechFest 2013: Designing for Ubiquitous Computing Other Design Thinking 101 Episodes You Might Like UX + Into, Through, and (Almost) Out of Design with Kara DeFrias — DT101 E103 UX + Navigating Rough Design Waters + Design Leadership with Dennis Lenard — DT101 E82 UX Research + Research Teams + UX Camp DC with Glennette Clark — DT101 E80

Alvin Schexnider is an emancipatory designer and a business operations strategist who helps institutions become more effective, just, citizen-centered, and innovative. He has 15 years of experience in leadership across design, strategy, equity, and business operations in the government, nonprofit and for-profit spaces. Currently he is a part of Capital One's Equity and Design team as a senior equity design strategist. Outside his day-to-day work, he runs GraffitiVersal, an organization that makes resources to inspire, elevate, and catalyze change. GraffitiVersal’s latest release is called A Continuum of Freeing Design and Vigorous Futures, a card deck detailing an approach for designing for both equitable and just outcomes in the present, and for thriving worlds in the future. We talk about bringing human-centered design to operations and human resources. Listen to learn about: >> Alvin’s roundabout road into design >> Alvin’s experiences at the Greater Good Studio >> Using design at the Illinois Department of Health during the COVID-19 pandemic >> Alvin’s role as Senior Equity Design Strategist at Capital One Our Guest Alvin (he/him) is a designer, futurist, strategist, and illustrator. He's a right brain / left brained DesignOps leader, with 10 + years of tri-sector people management, who uses foresight and equity to build and vitalize impactful organizations. He leverages his 15 years of experience and leadership across strategy & business operations, multidisciplinary design (service design, human-centered design, equity design), and org change to drive concepting, adoption, and implementation of major initiatives. At present, he is a Manager, Design Practice & Equity Design on Capital One's Experience Strategy & Operations Team; previously, he was Sr. Equity Design Strategist in its Equity by Design Program. Before this role, he was Chief People Officer of the Illinois Department of Human Services (IDHS - agency budget of $9 Billion), focused on improving the experience of 14,000 staff while leading a department of 130 people, and before that, he was also Senior Operations Lead for IDHS focusing on strategy, bizops, and service design projects. Alvin began to build capacity in human-centered design as the first Director of Design Operations at Greater Good Studio, a human-centered design firm that works with global foundations, government agencies, and national NGOs. Outside of his day job, Alvin is also Founder & Organizer of GraffitiVersal — an emancipatory lab using design, art, foresight, & Afrofuturism for change. GraffitiVersal's Racial DeckEquity Cardset & Continuum of Freeing Design & Vigorous Futures CardDeck have been used at organizations such as: Meta, LAB at OPM, Univ. of Chicago, and Slalom Consulting. He's also the author of A Kids Book About Radical Dreaming (via A Kids Co.) and is currently writing & illustrating his first Afrofuturist graphic novel for middle schoolers through the Sequential Artists Workshop's Graphic Novel Intensive. Besides hanging with his partner and 2 kids, you’ll find him reading N.K. Jemisin or a Black Panther comic book. Show Highlights [00:39] Alvin’s love of art and storytelling started early, as a kid creating his own comics. [05:06] Starting college as a PolySci major with plans to be a lawyer. [07:18] The moment Alvin realized he didn’t want to pursue law as a career. [07:56] Moving on to business management studies, and his time in Beijing. [09:02] Starting his business career at Abbott Laboratories and returning to China. [13:21] Sidestepping away from for-profit into mission-driven and non-profit spaces. [15:14] Realizing he had a knack for business operations and systems thinking. [16:47] How his time as Director of Operations at Greater Good Studio transformed his thinking and started him on his own path into design. [21:07] Immersing himself in design spaces and in learning design. [21:57] Taking all he’d learned about human-centered design into his next job — COO of Erie Neighborhood House Services. [23:52] Getting recruited to work for the Illinois Department of Human Services. [27:10] During the COVID-19 pandemic, Alvin used design to help shape the department’s response. [29:19] Redesigning policies and spaces to keep staff healthy as essential workers. [35:27] Taking over as the head of HR for the department, and working on improving employee experience. [38:33] Alvin’s current role as the Senior Equity Design Strategist for Capital One’s Equity by Design team. [43:06] You don’t have to be an official designer to use design in your work. Links Alvin Schexnider on LinkedIn Alvin Schexnider on Medium GraffitiVersal GraffitiVersal on Instagram A Kids Book About Radical Dreaming (A Kids Co Publishing) by Alvin Schexnider - recently released! Wakanda Forever - A Film Review - Human Futures Magazine AIGA Chicago Podcast - Designing For: Equity Interview with Slalom Consulting Continuum Deck of Freeing Design & Vigorous Futures  Traveling through the spacetime continuum to escape racism Books Recommendations Kindred, by Octavia Butler We Do This Til We Free Us, by Mariame Kaba Black Panther: A Nation Under Our Feet, by Ta Nehisi Coates Design Justice: Community-Led Practices to Build the Worlds We Need, by Sasha Costanza-Chock This is Service Design Doing, by Marc Stickdorn, Markus Hormess, and Adam Lawrence Afrofuturism: The World of Black Sci-Fi and Fantasy Culture, by Ytasha Womack Far Sector, by N.K. Jemisin Employee Experience: Develop a Happy, Productive and Supported Workforce for Exceptional Individual and Business Performance, by Ben Whittier Emergent Strategy: Shaping Change, Changing Worlds, by Adrienne Maree Brown Good Services: How to Design Services that Work, by Louise Downe Drawn Together, by Minh Lê and Dan Santat Other Design Thinking 101 Episodes You Might Like Designing for the Greater Good, Strategy + Design Thinking, and Measuring Design Thinking with Jeanne Liedtka — DT101 E1 Critical and Emancipatory Design Thinking with Lesley-Ann Noel — DT101 E57 5.5 Things Every Designer Should Know About: The Opioid Overdose Epidemic (Part 1) with Stacy Stanford — DT101 E102

Allen Higgins joins me as we share host and guest roles to talk about design practice systems and creating for and with the people we serve. Alan is a research associate and lecturer in the Center for Innovation Technology and Organization in the School of Business at University College Dublin. Listen to learn about: Design and design thinking process Design thinking mindset How to introduce design thinking to teams and organizations What is innovation? Design Justice and ethical design  Our Guest Allen Higgins is a researcher/lecturer in the Management Information Systems subject area in the UCD College of Business—University College Dublin, Ireland. He is a member of the UCD Centre for Innovation, Technology and Organization (CITO) and the UCD Centre for Business and Society. Show Highlights [00:39] Script is flipped! Dawan talks about how he got into design thinking. [02:14] Launching Fluid Hive in 2008. [02:38] Allen’s interest came while developing a course for university. [04:48] Allen and Dawan compare how they approach design thinking. [06:46] The big question: What problem are we trying to solve? [08:30] Finding the problem is the real problem. [09:30] IDEO as people’s first introduction to design thinking. [10:05] There is no single recipe for innovation. [10:40] Experienced designers are comfortable with ambiguity. [11:32] It’s hard to change our view of the world. [12:09] Designers can see the world in multiple ways. [14:08] The difference between reaction and response. [15:55] The answer to the question should take you from the world you have to the world you want. [17:57] Failure is part of the process. Failure is actually learning. [20:56] A design thinking culture values continual learning. [22:06] Part of bringing design thinking to organizations is speaking the language of that organization. [23:53] Dawan and Allen talk about making design thinking part of organizational culture. [25:27] Inviting people into learning and using design thinking. [27:04] Allen talks about innovation, and the hospitality metaphor. [29:42] Allen offers an example of a case study where an organization was introducing large-scale change to its systems. [31:42] Designing with the people who will implement and support the solution in mind. [32:40] Dawan’s preferred definition of innovation. [35:47] The world we have, and the world we want. [37:05] Best intentions, and the need for design justice. [37:47] The racism (and sexism) in AI image generators. [38:47] The systems we design often reinforce societal bias. [44:11] Doug Dietz’s MRI story TED Talk. [45:50] Ethical design. [46:31] The concept of the “user” in design. [47:01] The difficulty with personas. [48:25] Indi Young’s mental models for user behavior. [49:24] Focusing on why and how people decide instead of empathy. [50:32] “Nothing about us without us”: co-creating with the people you’re designing for. [52:27] You are not your user. [54:01] Giving everyone access to the tools of design and design thinking. [56:26] Designing for accessibility. [1:02:19] Allen and Dawan end the conversation by talking about empathy vs. sympathy. Links Allen on LinkedIn Allen on Google Scholar Allen on University College Dublin Allen on ResearchGate The Design Talk podcast Transforming healthcare for children and their families: Doug Dietz at TEDxSanJoseCA Book Recommendations Ten Types of Innovation: The Discipline of Building Breakthroughs, by Larry Keeley, Helen Walters, Ryan Pikkel, and Brian Quinn Mental Models: Aligning Design Strategy with Human Behavior, by Indi Young Other Design Thinking 101 Episodes You Might Like How to Learn Design Thinking + Design Thinking Pedagogy with Julie Schell — DT101 E15 Launching and Leading a University-wide Design Thinking Initiative with Danielle Lake — DT101 E31 Systemic Service Design + a Critical Lens on Design Practice with Josina Vink — DT101 E85

Mike Monteiro is a designer and the author of Ruined By Design, You're My Favorite Client, The Collected Angers, and the newly-revised Design is a Job. Listen to learn about: >> Mike’s book, Design is a Job >> Ethics in design >> Designing society so that ethical behavior becomes the norm Our Guest Mike Monteiro is the co-founder and design director of Mule Design. He mostly writes these days. His latest book is the second edition of Design Is a Job. Show Highlights [00:39] How Mike got into design during graduate school. [03:54] His first job in desktop publishing and printing taught him to measure work in 30-minute increments. [06:04] Moving into writing books. [07:32] Mike’s book, Design is a Job, was written to help designers with the ins and outs of being a professional designer. [10:57] Why Mike felt it was time to revise the book. [13:23] The “revised” edition changed so much, it’s basically a different book. [14:33] Mike talks about some of the new ideas in the revised edition. [15:12] Designers moving from contractors to employees. [18:02] The importance of ethical behavior and ethical decisions. [18:15] Mike’s butcher metaphor. [24:35] What companies and society can do to create an environment that encourages ethical behavior. [26:52] The first steps on the path to a more ethical world. [30:58] Finding his place in the semi post-pandemic world. [34:13] Knowing when it’s time to get off the stage. [35:48] Speaking only if you can improve the silence. [37:05] Getting older and realizing the value of listening. [38:34] How do we redesign power so that it can inoculate itself against power’s darker aspects [42:14] The messiness of the world today, and how should designers work within that world to make it a better place? [45:07] There is always a cost to the ethical choice. Links Mike on Twitter Mike on Medium Mule Design Mule Design on Twitter Ruined By Design Creative Mornings Podcast, F*ck You, Pay Me with Mike Monteiro Creative Mornings HQ: Let's Make Mistakes Intercom: Mule Design’s Mike Monteiro on responsibility in experience design Invision: Mike Monteiro: Design is Political Creative Bloq: Why designers need to stick to their guns Webstock ‘13: Mike Monteiro - How Designers Destroyed the World Interview with Mike by Clearleft Books By Mike Monteiro Design is a Job You’re My Favorite Client Ruined By Design: How Designers Destroyed the World, and What We Can Do to Fix It The Collected Angers Other Design Thinking 101 Episodes You Might Like Designing Culture at Work + Social Innovation + Necessary Disquiet with Lauren Currie — DT101 E29 Design for Good + Gut Checks + Seeing Power with George Aye — DT101 E50 Cognitive Bias + Ethics + Dreaming the Future of Design with David Dylan Thomas — DT101 E112

Hazel White is a designer and a visualizer. She creates simple visuals to help communicate complex ideas. We talk about how design and visualization combine to facilitate thinking, fuel solving, and create transformative change. Listen to learn about: >> How visualizations can help us communicate ideas >> Examples of what you can use visualizations for >> Hazel’s visualization projects and their impact >> Advice for those wanting to try creating their own visualizations >> Some tools and resources for those who want to create visualizations Our Guest Hazel White is a designer and educator who specializes in creating visuals that simplify complex information. During the Covid-19 pandemic, she collaborated with healthcare experts to rapidly distill complex information into simple and memorable visuals for frontline staff in hospitals and care homes. Currently, she is working on visuals of palliative care guidelines for health and care staff, visually recording a sports governing body’s transformation program, and developing internal documentation for a prominent cultural organization. Previously, Hazel was Founding Director of Open Change - a company which supported organizations to navigate change using Design Thinking. Clients included government, healthcare and national cultural organizations in the UK and Europe. Hazel spent two decades teaching design in Universities in the UK and South Korea.She is an Associate of the UK Design Council. Show Highlights [00:53] Dawan thanks Hazel for the incredible visualization she created for podcast conversation (download it here). [01:46] Hazel’s path from design thinking to visualization. [02:13] Discovering that drawing helped her remember things, such as lectures, better. [03:33] Visualizations are helpful for everyone’s memory recall. [04:49] Hazel gives one example from the healthcare industry of the powerful impact using visualizations has had on those she’s worked with. [08:15] How the pandemic increased the need for getting important information out quickly while also ensuring people understood it. [09:12] Hazel’s work on a series of COVID-19 related visualizations for hospital staff. [12:51] The value of using visualizations in a work environment. [13:40] Working on the Scottish Government’s Framework for Care for Adults in Care Homes [16:22] Visualizations can be used to capture ideas and themes during live workshops and meetings. [17:22] Using visualizations to map out how things interrelate and to see things changing over time. [18:01] Visualizations can help make complex information more accessible. [19:03] Visuals are something that people will remember. [21:04] How working with visualizations has changed how Hazel thinks and works. [23:50] Creating your own visuals, and when to hire a professional. [26:04] Advice for people who want to give creating visualizations a try, but who aren’t “good” at drawing. [27:50] The importance of feedback and collaboration during the creation process. [29:49] The positive feedback Hazel has gotten about her work. [32:37] Dawan gives listeners a visualization challenge. [33:29] Hazel offers tools and resources listeners can use while doing their challenge. [34:51] Drawing visualizations on Magic Whiteboard. [37:35] Thinking about visualizations and accessibility. Links Hazel on Twitter Hazel on LinkedIn Hazel White Design Ole Qvist-Sørensen: Draw More, together Magic Whiteboard Scriberia Eva-Lotta Lamm,  Sketchnoting: Communicate with Visual Notes Book Recommendations Visual Collaboration: A Powerful Toolkit for Improving Meetings, Projects, and Processes, by Loa Baastrup and Ole Qvist-Sørensen Other Design Thinking 101 Episodes You Might Like A Designer’s Journey into Designing for Health and Healthcare with Lorna Ross — DT101 E45 Designing for Healthcare vs Sick Care + The Emergency Design Collective — DT101 E52 Civic Design + Innovation Ops + System Design with Ryann Hoffman — DT101 E62