
The MMT Podcast with Patricia Pino & Christian Reilly
The MMT Podcast offers economic analysis on current issues from a Modern Monetary Theory perspective. Aimed at anyone who has ever felt lost in the jargon used by mainstream economics commentators. We believe economics is for everyone.
You can help sustain this podcast via Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/MMTpodcast
Latest episodes

Mar 2, 2022 • 1h 20min
#127 Robert Hockett: Fine Tuning Monetary Easing
Patricia and Christian talk to author, public finance consultant, and Professor of Law Robert Hockett about his proposal to tame speculative bubbles and put public capital back to public use. Please help sustain this podcast! Patrons get early access to all episodes and patron-only episodes: https://www.patreon.com/MMTpodcast For an intro to MMT: Listen to our first three episodes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/41742417 All our episodes in chronological order: https://www.patreon.com/posts/43111643 All our episodes with Robert Hockett: https://www.patreon.com/posts/63228139 Building Banks Better: A Plan to Put Public Capital Back to Public Use by Robert Hockett: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4023614 Fine-Tuning Monetary Easing, Part 2: The Fed’s New Chicago Trading Capacity by Robert Hockett: https://www.forbes.com/sites/rhockett/2022/01/31/fine-tuning-monetary-easing-part-2-the-feds-new-chicago-trading-capacity/?sh=33ff44a3318d Money from Nothing: Or, Why We Should Stop Worrying About Debt and Learn to Love the Federal Reserve by Robert Hockett and Aaron James: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Money-Nothing-Worrying-Federal-Reserve/dp/B08FLQK2YF/ref=sr_1_1?crid=KT51L5RY6QZ6&keywords=robert+hockett&qid=1646152833&s=books&sprefix=Robert+Hockett%2Cstripbooks%2C70&sr=1-1 Financing the Green New Deal: A Plan of Action and Renewal by Robert Hockett: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Financing-Green-New-Deal-Renewal/dp/3030484491/ref=sr_1_3?crid=KT51L5RY6QZ6&keywords=robert+hockett&qid=1646152833&s=books&sprefix=Robert+Hockett%2Cstripbooks%2C70&sr=1-3 More on inflation: Episode 65 - Phil Armstrong: Understanding Inflation: https://www.patreon.com/posts/40672678 Episode 104 - John T Harvey: Inflation, Stagflation & Healing The Nation: https://www.patreon.com/posts/52207835 Episode 123 - Warren Mosler: Understanding The Price Level And Inflation: https://www.patreon.com/posts/59856379 A list of MMT-informed campaigns and organisations worldwide: https://www.patreon.com/posts/47900757 Levy Economics Institute of Bard College 2022 Summer Seminar: https://www.levyinstitute.org/news/summer-seminar-2022 We are working towards full transcripts, but in the meantime, closed captions for all episodes are available on our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEp_nGVTuMfBun2wiG-c0Ew/videos Show notes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/63227310

Feb 16, 2022 • 1h 16min
#126 Dirk Ehnts: How Banks Create Money
Patricia and Christian talk to economist and author Dr Dirk Ehnts, about his latest book, MMT Essentials, the hierarchy of money, and where commercial banks fit into it. Please help sustain this podcast! Patrons get early access to all episodes and patron-only episodes: https://www.patreon.com/MMTpodcast Springer Essentials: MMT by Dirk Ehnts (available in German at time of posting): https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-658-36488-5 Levy Economics Institute of Bard College 2022 Summer Seminar: https://www.levyinstitute.org/news/summer-seminar-2022 For an intro to MMT: Listen to our first three episodes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/41742417 All our episodes in chronological order: https://www.patreon.com/posts/43111643 All our episodes with Dirk Ehnts: https://www.patreon.com/posts/44467243 Dirk Ehnts’ website: https://www.dirk-ehnts.de/ Dirk Ehnts on Twitter: https://twitter.com/DEhnts Episode 13 - Steven Hail: Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Banking, But Were Afraid To Ask: https://www.patreon.com/posts/41790887 Episode 43 - Sam Levey: Understanding Endogenous Money: https://www.patreon.com/posts/35073683 Episode 84 - Andrew Berkeley, Richard Tye & Neil Wilson: An Accounting Model Of The UK Exchequer (Part 1): https://www.patreon.com/posts/46352183 Episode 86 - Andrew Berkeley, Richard Tye & Neil Wilson: An Accounting Model Of The UK Exchequer (Part 2): https://www.patreon.com/posts/46865929 An Accounting Model of the UK Exchequer by Andrew Berkeley, Richard Tye & Neil Wilson: https://gimms.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/An-Accounting-Model-of-the-UK-Exchequer-2nd-edition.pdf Episode 65 - Phil Armstrong: Understanding Inflation: https://www.patreon.com/posts/40672678 Episode 104 - John T Harvey: Inflation, Stagflation & Healing The Nation: https://www.patreon.com/posts/52207835 Episode 123 - Warren Mosler: Understanding The Price Level And Inflation: https://www.patreon.com/posts/59856379 A list of MMT-informed campaigns and organisations worldwide: https://www.patreon.com/posts/47900757 Transcript for opening monologue: https://www.patreon.com/posts/62603373 We are working towards full transcripts, but in the meantime, closed captions for all episodes are available on our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEp_nGVTuMfBun2wiG-c0Ew/videos Show notes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/62603318

Feb 2, 2022 • 1h 16min
#125 Sam Levey: Monopoly, Monopsony, And What To Do About Them
Patricia and Christian talk to economics scholar, teacher and writer Sam Levey about real existing economic conditions (containing monopoly, monopsony, and oligopolistic price-setting power), the inadequate models used by economists to interpret these conditions, and a better way forward. Please help sustain this podcast! Patrons get early access to all episodes and patron-only episodes: https://www.patreon.com/MMTpodcast For an intro to MMT: Listen to our first three episodes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/41742417 All our episodes in chronological order: https://www.patreon.com/posts/43111643 All our episodes with Sam Levey: https://www.patreon.com/posts/43189679 Buffer Stocks: A Better Diagram, by Sam Levey: https://slevey087.medium.com/buffer-stocks-a-simpler-diagram-a462e9ea5359 Monopoly Money: The State as a Price Setter by Pavlina R. Tcherneva: http://moslereconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Tcherneva_MonopolyMoney_2002.pdf Monopoly Money Redux by Sam Levey: https://medium.com/@slevey087/monopoly-money-redux-a4d96f156f7 Our episodes laying out the MMT Job Guarantee: Episode 4 - Fadhel Kaboub: What is the Job Guarantee?: https://www.patreon.com/posts/41742701 Episode 47 - Pavlina Tcherneva: Building Resilience - The Case For A Job Guarantee: https://www.patreon.com/posts/36034543 Modern Money and the War Treasury, by Sam Levey: http://www.global-isp.org/working-paper-no-123/ Our episodes about Modern Money and the War Treasury: Episode 32 - Sam Levey: How Uncle Sam Paid For World War II (part 1): https://www.patreon.com/posts/30005574 Episode 33 - Sam Levey: How Uncle Sam Paid For World War II (part 2): https://www.patreon.com/posts/30112818 For information on their forthcoming MMT book, sign up to the Gower Initiative For Modern Money Studies mailing list: https://gimms.org.uk/ A list of MMT-informed campaigns and organisations worldwide: https://www.patreon.com/posts/47900757 Transcript for opening monologue: https://www.patreon.com/posts/61954919 We are working towards full transcripts, but in the meantime, closed captions for all episodes are available on our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEp_nGVTuMfBun2wiG-c0Ew/videos Show notes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/61954971

Jan 26, 2022 • 1h 6min
#124 Phil Armstrong: Talking Turkey & Strategic Price Controls
Patricia and Christian talk to Dr Phil Armstrong about potential solutions to pandemic-related inflation and challenges faced by nations that have become dependent on foreign capital and foreign currency debt. Please help sustain this podcast! Patrons get early access to all episodes and patron-only episodes: https://www.patreon.com/MMTpodcast For an intro to MMT: Listen to our first three episodes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/41742417 All our episodes in chronological order: https://www.patreon.com/posts/43111643 All our episodes with Phil Armstrong: https://www.patreon.com/posts/42072846 Isabella Weber: Could strategic price controls help fight inflation?: https://www.theguardian.com/business/commentisfree/2021/dec/29/inflation-price-controls-time-we-use-it Bill Mitchell: Turkey tells us nothing about MMT – but MMT tells us a lot about why Turkey is in trouble: http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=48895 Some of our episodes on inflation Episode 65 - Phil Armstrong: Understanding Inflation: https://www.patreon.com/posts/40672678 Episode 104 - John T Harvey: Inflation, Stagflation & Healing The Nation: https://www.patreon.com/posts/episode-104-john-52207835 Episode 88 - Warren Mosler & Phil Armstrong: Weimar Republic Hyperinflation Through An MMT Lens (part 1): https://www.patreon.com/posts/47638591 Episode 89 - Warren Mosler & Phil Armstrong: Weimar Republic Hyperinflation Through An MMT Lens (part 2): https://www.patreon.com/posts/episode-89-phil-47904999 A Framework for the Analysis of the Price Level and Inflation by Warren Mosler: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sySbx6EHOAYpAjE4FGnYApdZNyY6rh79KzajZxSU884/edit Monopoly Money: The State as a Price Setter by Pavlina R. Tcherneva: http://moslereconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Tcherneva_MonopolyMoney_2002.pdf Our episodes laying out the MMT Job Guarantee: Episode 4 - Fadhel Kaboub: What is the Job Guarantee?: https://www.patreon.com/posts/41742701 Episode 47 - Pavlina Tcherneva: Building Resilience - The Case For A Job Guarantee: https://www.patreon.com/posts/36034543 Our episodes on US treasury spending during WWII: Episode 32 - Sam Levey: How Uncle Sam Paid For World War II (part 1): https://www.patreon.com/posts/30005574 Episode 33 - Sam Levey: How Uncle Sam Paid For World War II (part 2): https://www.patreon.com/posts/30112818 How To Pay For The War by John Maynard Keynes: https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.499597 Warren Mosler’s banking reform proposals: https://neweconomicperspectives.org/2010/02/warren-moslers-proposals-for-treasury.html Our episodes on monetary operations: Episode 13 - Steven Hail: Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Banking, But Were Afraid To Ask: https://www.patreon.com/posts/41790887 Episode 30 - Steven Hail: Understanding Government Bonds (Part 1): https://www.patreon.com/posts/29621245 Episode 31 - Steven Hail: Understanding Government Bonds (Part 2): https://www.patreon.com/posts/29829500 Episode 43 - Sam Levey: Understanding Endogenous Money: https://www.patreon.com/posts/35073683 Episode 84 - Andrew Berkeley, Richard Tye & Neil Wilson: An Accounting Model Of The UK Exchequer (Part 1): https://www.patreon.com/posts/46352183 Episode 86 - Andrew Berkeley, Richard Tye & Neil Wilson: An Accounting Model Of The UK Exchequer (Part 2): https://www.patreon.com/posts/46865929 For information on their forthcoming MMT book, sign up to the Gower Initiative For Modern Money Studies mailing list: https://gimms.org.uk/ A list of MMT-informed campaigns and organisations worldwide: https://www.patreon.com/posts/47900757 Transcript for opening monologue: https://www.patreon.com/posts/61624152 We are working towards full transcripts, but in the meantime, closed captions for all episodes are available on our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEp_nGVTuMfBun2wiG-c0Ew/videos Show notes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/61624068

Dec 15, 2021 • 1h 8min
#123 Warren Mosler: Understanding The Price Level And Inflation
Patricia and Christian talk to MMT founder Warren Mosler about his recent paper on inflation, his proposals for overhauling banking, and simplifying the tax system. Please help sustain this podcast! Patrons get early access to all episodes and patron-only episodes: https://www.patreon.com/MMTpodcast For an intro to MMT: Listen to our first three episodes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/41742417 All our episodes in chronological order: https://www.patreon.com/posts/43111643 All our episodes with Warren Mosler: https://www.patreon.com/posts/42918786 A Framework for the Analysis of the Price Level and Inflation by Warren Mosler: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sySbx6EHOAYpAjE4FGnYApdZNyY6rh79KzajZxSU884/edit Warren Mosler’s banking reform proposals: https://neweconomicperspectives.org/2010/02/warren-moslers-proposals-for-treasury.html Episode 13 - Steven Hail: Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Banking, But Were Afraid To Ask: https://www.patreon.com/posts/41790887 Episode 30 - Steven Hail: Understanding Government Bonds (Part 1): https://www.patreon.com/posts/29621245 Episode 31 - Steven Hail: Understanding Government Bonds (Part 2): https://www.patreon.com/posts/29829500 Episode 84 - Andrew Berkeley, Richard Tye & Neil Wilson: An Accounting Model Of The UK Exchequer (Part 1): https://www.patreon.com/posts/46352183 Episode 86 - Andrew Berkeley, Richard Tye & Neil Wilson: An Accounting Model Of The UK Exchequer (Part 2): https://www.patreon.com/posts/46865929 Episode 43 - Sam Levey: Understanding Endogenous Money: https://www.patreon.com/posts/35073683 Episode 65 - Phil Armstrong: Understanding Inflation: https://www.patreon.com/posts/40672678 Episode 88 - Warren Mosler & Phil Armstrong: Weimar Republic Hyperinflation Through An MMT Lens (part 1): https://www.patreon.com/posts/47638591 Episode 89 - Warren Mosler & Phil Armstrong: Weimar Republic Hyperinflation Through An MMT Lens (part 2): https://www.patreon.com/posts/episode-89-phil-47904999 Taxes For Revenue Are Obsolete by Beardsley Ruml: https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2019/07/taxes-for-revenue-are-obsolete.html For information on their forthcoming MMT book, sign up to the Gower Initiative For Modern Money Studies mailing list: https://gimms.org.uk/ A list of MMT-informed campaigns and organisations worldwide: https://www.patreon.com/posts/47900757 Transcript for opening monologue: https://www.patreon.com/posts/59826215 We are working towards full transcripts, but in the meantime, closed captions for all episodes are available on our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEp_nGVTuMfBun2wiG-c0Ew/videos Show notes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/59856379

Nov 17, 2021 • 1h 30min
#122 Warren Mosler, Philippa Sigl-Glöckner, Achim Truger, Paul Sheard: The Political Economy Of Fiscal Policy
A panel discussion with Warren Mosler (MMT founder), Achim Truger (German Council of Economic Advisers), Philippa Sigl-Glöckner (Dezernat Zukunft) and Paul Sheard (Harvard Kennedy School) from the 2nd International European Modern Monetary Theory Conference. Recorded September 14, 2021. Please help sustain this podcast! Patrons get early access to all episodes and patron-only episodes: https://www.patreon.com/MMTpodcast For an intro to MMT: Listen to our first three episodes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/41742417 All our episodes in chronological order: https://www.patreon.com/posts/43111643 Video of this event: https://youtu.be/oz9wU5VWGUQ All our episodes with Warren Mosler: https://www.patreon.com/posts/42918786 Our episode 116 featuring Dirk Ehnts interviewing Warren Mosler: https://www.patreon.com/posts/56979140 An explanation of the NAIRU (Non-accelerating inflation rate of unemployment) and the alternative MMT approach, the NAIBER (non-accelerating inflation buffer employment ratio): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAIBER Maximizing Price Stability in a Monetary Economy by Warren Mosler & Damiano B. Silipo: https://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_864.pdf Brexit Is A Wake-Up Call To The EU, But So Far It Is Not Being Answered by Paul Sheard: https://www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/brexit-is-a-wake-up-call-to-the-eu-but-so-far-it-is-not-being-answered-by-paul-sheard/ Philippa Sigl-Glöckner’s Organisation, Dezernat Zukunft: https://www.dezernatzukunft.org/ Our episode 47 with Pavlina Tcherneva explaining the Job Guarantee: https://www.patreon.com/posts/36034543 A list of MMT-informed campaigns and organisations worldwide: https://www.patreon.com/posts/47900757 We are working towards full transcripts, but in the meantime, closed captions for all episodes are available on our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEp_nGVTuMfBun2wiG-c0Ew/videos Show notes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/58778703

Nov 10, 2021 • 1h 38min
#121 Brian Romanchuk: MMT & The Recovery
Christian talks with author, financial consultant, and writer for bondeconomics.com Brian Romanchuck about recent monetary policy news and his recent book, Modern Monetary Theory & The Recovery. Please help sustain this podcast! Patrons get early access to all episodes and patron-only episodes: https://www.patreon.com/MMTpodcast For an intro to MMT: Listen to our first three episodes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/41742417 All our episodes in chronological order: https://www.patreon.com/posts/43111643 Brian’s books: http://www.bondeconomics.com/p/books.html Episode 30 - Steven Hail: Understanding Government Bonds (Part 1): https://www.patreon.com/posts/29621245 Episode 31 - Steven Hail: Understanding Government Bonds (Part 2): https://www.patreon.com/posts/29829500 Episode 43 - Sam Levey: Understanding Endogenous Money: https://www.patreon.com/posts/35073683 MMT Scholarship: http://neweconomicperspectives.org/mmt-scholarship Trade and external finance mysteries by Bill Mitchell: http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=39282 Our episode 47 with Pavlina Tcherneva explaining the Job Guarantee: https://www.patreon.com/posts/36034543 A list of MMT-informed campaigns and organisations worldwide: https://www.patreon.com/posts/47900757 We are working towards full transcripts, but in the meantime, closed captions for all episodes are available on our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEp_nGVTuMfBun2wiG-c0Ew/videos Show notes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/58493863

Nov 3, 2021 • 1h 22min
#120 Phil Armstrong: What Is Budget Responsibility?
Patricia and Christian take a look at the UK chancellor’s recent budget through the MMT lens with MMT scholar and author Dr Phil Armstrong. Please help sustain this podcast! Patrons get early access to all episodes and patron-only episodes: https://www.patreon.com/MMTpodcast For an intro to MMT: Listen to our first three episodes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/41742417 All our episodes in chronological order: https://www.patreon.com/posts/43111643 Follow Phil Armstrong on Twitter: https://twitter.com/PhilArmstrong58 All of our episodes with Phil Armstrong: https://www.patreon.com/posts/42072846 Phil Armstrong’s book, Can Heterodox Economics Make a Difference?: https://www.e-elgar.com/shop/gbp/can-heterodox-economics-make-a-difference-9781800370883.html Our episode 47 with Pavlina Tcherneva explaining the Job Guarantee: https://www.patreon.com/posts/36034543 A list of MMT-informed campaigns and organisations worldwide: https://www.patreon.com/posts/47900757 We are working towards full transcripts, but in the meantime, closed captions for all episodes are available on our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEp_nGVTuMfBun2wiG-c0Ew/videos Show notes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/58200406

Oct 27, 2021 • 58min
#119 Agustin Mario: MMT In Latin America & Argentina’s Jefes Y Jefas Program
Patricia & Christian talk with Argentinian economist and author of “Modern Monetary Theory And The Employer Of Last Resort” Agustin Mario about Argentina’s economic history, and its employer of last resort program - Plan Jefes y Jefas de Hogar Desocupados (Program for Unemployed Male and Female Heads of Households). Please help sustain this podcast! Patrons get early access to all episodes and patron-only episodes: https://www.patreon.com/MMTpodcast For an intro to MMT: Listen to our first three episodes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/41742417 All our episodes in chronological order: https://www.patreon.com/posts/43111643 Follow Agustin Mario on Twitter (@agu_mario): https://twitter.com/agu_mario Teoría del Dinero Moderno y Empleador de Última Instancia by Agustin Mario: http://bit.ly/2G2WKTt Red MMT (Spanish-language MMT network): http://www.redmmt.es/ A list of MMT-informed campaigns and organisations worldwide: https://www.patreon.com/posts/47900757 We are working towards full transcripts, but in the meantime, closed captions for all episodes are available on our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEp_nGVTuMfBun2wiG-c0Ew/videos Show notes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/57888740

Oct 20, 2021 • 1h 14min
#118 Patricia & Christian: The People Vs Interest Rates
Patricia & Christian talk about recent media coverage of economic policy and answer listener questions on interest rates, trade, monetary policy and more. Please help sustain this podcast! Patrons get early access to all episodes and patron-only episodes: https://www.patreon.com/MMTpodcast For an intro to MMT: Listen to our first three episodes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/41742417 All our episodes in chronological order: https://www.patreon.com/posts/43111643 All of our Q&A episodes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/57542767 An Accounting Model of the UK Exchequer: https://gimms.org.uk/2021/02/21/an-accounting-model-of-the-uk-exchequer/ The Natural Rate of Interest Is Zero by Mathew Forstater and Warren Mosler: http://www.moslereconomics.com/wp-content/graphs/2009/07/natural-rate-is-zero.PDF Episode 43 - Sam Levey: Understanding Endogenous Money: https://www.patreon.com/posts/35073683 A list of MMT-informed campaigns and organisations worldwide: https://www.patreon.com/posts/47900757 We are working towards full transcripts, but in the meantime, closed captions for all episodes are available on our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEp_nGVTuMfBun2wiG-c0Ew/videos Show notes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/57589452