
The American Reformer Podcast
The American Reformer Podcast’s mission is to promote a vigorous Christian approach to the cultural challenges of our day, rooted in the rich tradition of Protestant social and political thought. Focusing particularly on issues facing American Christians, we will seek to contribute to the reformation of Christian institutions that have become corrupted by false ideologies and practices.
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Mar 11, 2025 • 1h 2min
The Sin of Empathy (ft. Joe Rigney)
Joe Rigney of New Saint Andrews College, stops by to talk about his much anticipated new book, The Sin of Empathy.
#JoeRigney #Empathy #Compassion #Emotions #Manipulation #Psychology #Politics #Faith #Book #News
Show Notes:
https://americanreformer.org/author/joerigney/
Purchase Dr. Rigney's Book, The Sin of Empathy
Canon Press: https://canonpress.com/products/the-sin-of-empathy
Amazon: https://a.co/d/7VXmnur
Dr. Rigney is an Associate Pastor at Christ Church in Moscow, Idaho and serves as Fellow of Theology at New Saint Andrews College. He is the author of seven books: Live Like a Narnian: Christian Discipleship in Lewis’s Chronicles (Eyes & Pen, 2013); The Things of Earth: Treasuring God by Enjoying His Gifts (Crossway, 2015); Lewis on the Christian Life: Becoming Truly Human in the Presence of God (Crossway, 2018); Strangely Bright: Can You Love God and Enjoy This World? (Crossway, 2020); More Than a Battle: Experiencing Victory, Freedom, and Healing from Lust (B&H, 2021), Courage: How the Gospel Creates Christian Fortitude (Crossway, 2023), and Leadership and Emotional Sabotage (Canon Press, 2024). Previously, Dr. Rigney served as a professor and president of Bethlehem College & Seminary in Minneapolis, a pastor at Cities Church in St. Paul, and a teacher at Desiring God. Joe lives in Moscow, Idaho with his wife Jenny and three sons.
Learn more about Joe Rigney's work at:
https://nsa.edu/contributors/joe-rigney
https://emotionalsabotage.com
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Mar 6, 2025 • 40min
States of the Future (ft. Noah Wall & Nate Fischer)
Noah Wall and Nate Fischer, founders of the State Leadership Initiative, join the pod.
#StateLeadership #NateFischer #NoahWall #Federalism #RedStates #America #Future
Show Notes:
https://thefederalist.com/2025/02/19/meet-the-group-writing-the-blueprint-for-dismantling-bureaucracy-in-every-red-state/
https://stateleadership.org/
Noah Wall is the president and founder of the State Leadership Initiative, which aims to develop policies and doctrines that undermine the foundations of Environmental, Social, and Governance (ESG) and Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI). Noah has devoted his career to advancing the values our nation was founded upon: limited government, free markets, individual liberty and the rule of law. Noah is a recognized expert in influencing public policy at the federal, state and local levels. Between April 2023 and December 2024, Wall was the executive vice president for Policy and Government Affairs at the State Financial Officers Foundation (SFOF). And prior to that he served as Executive Vice President at FreedomWorks.
Learn more about Noah Wall's work:
https://x.com/noahwwall
https://stateleadership.org/about/#our-team
Nate Fischer is the Founder & CEO of New Founding, a cofounder of American Reformer, an investor and entrepreneur, and Founder of the State Leadership Initiative. He makes early-stage venture investments and is the principal of NF Macro, a multi-strategy investment firm. He previously co-founded Trustwork, an online platform for property maintenance services, and InvestRes, a $1.5B real estate investment company. He lives with his wife and four children in Dallas, Texas.
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https://www.newfounding.com/about
https://twitter.com/NateAFischer
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Feb 13, 2025 • 58min
USAID: Leftist Patronage Network (ft. Auron MacIntyre)
Auron MacIntyre joins Mike and Timon on the show to break down Trump's efforts to shut down USAID.
#AuronMacIntyre #USAID #DOGE #ElonMusk #Government #Waste #Cuts #Jobs #ForeignPolicy #Influence #Shutdown
Show notes:
https://www.theblaze.com/podcasts/the-auron-macintyre-show
https://www.standingforfreedom.com/2025/02/shutting-down-usaid-a-triumph-for-american-taxpayers-and-christian-values/
Auron MacIntyre is the host of “The Auron MacIntyre Show” and a columnist for Blaze News. He offers thought-provoking and mold-breaking insights, drawing from the best political thinkers throughout history to make sense of our current political climate in a way that is easy to digest.
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https://www.theblaze.com/u/auronmacintyre
https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre
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Feb 11, 2025 • 53min
Russell Kirk & American Roots (ft. Alan Cornett)
Alan Cornett, host of Cultural Debris, joins Timon to talk about why the work of Russell Kirk is needed today.
#RussellKirk #RootsofAmericanOrder #CulturalDebris #America #Values #Politics #History #Diversity
Show Notes:
https://culturaldebrisexcursions.com/
https://www.regnery.com/9781882926992/the-roots-of-american-order/
Alan Cornett is the founder and host of the Cultural Debris Podcast. Alan comes from the Appalachian mountains of eastern Kentucky where his ancestors settled over two centuries ago. He is a former assistant to Russell Kirk, and enjoys books, bluegrass, basketball, bourbon, and Wendell Berry. He studied history at the University of Kentucky and the University of South Carolina. Alan lives in Lexington, Kentucky.
Learn more about Alan Cornett's work:
https://culturaldebrisproject.com/
https://x.com/alancornett
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Feb 7, 2025 • 1h 1min
Orders of Magnitude
Timon, Ben, and Mike discuss the post-inauguration landscape and Trump’s first batch of executive orders.
#DonaldTrump #Election #2024 #ExecutiveOrders #First100Days #TrumpNews #News #MikeSabo #BenCrenshaw #TimonCline
Show Notes:
https://americanreformer.org/2024/08/the-end-of-birthright-citizenship/
Mike Sabo is a Contributing Editor of American Reformer and an Assistant Editor of The American Mind, the online journal of the Claremont Institute. His writing has appeared at RealClearPolitics, The Federalist, Public Discourse, and American Greatness, among other outlets. He lives with his wife and son in Cincinnati.
Learn more about Mike Sabo's work:
https://americanreformer.org/author/mike-sabo/
Ben R. Crenshaw is a Visiting Fellow at American Reformer and Visiting Assistant Professor at the Declaration of Independence Center at the University of Mississippi. He is a Ph.D. candidate in Politics at the Van Andel Graduate School of Statesmanship at Hillsdale College. You can follow him on Twitter at @benrcrenshaw.
Learn more about Ben Crenshaw's work:
https://americanreformer.org/author/bencrenshaw/
https://gradschool.hillsdale.edu/Profiles/Benjamin-Crenshaw/
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Jan 21, 2025 • 1h 10min
Political Mix: Post Election
Timon, Ben, and Mike provide post-election insights and discuss priorities for Trump’s next term.
#DonaldTrump #Election #2024 #Inauguration #TrumpNews #News #MikeSabo #BenCrenshaw #TimonCline
Show Notes:
https://americanreformer.org/2024/12/year-end-editorial/
https://americanreformer.org/2024/01/announcement-mike-sabo-appointed-contributing-editor/
From Ben Crenshaw:
https://americanreformer.org/2025/01/justice-for-gang-rapists-and-their-enablers/
https://americanreformer.org/2025/01/on-the-need-for-citizen-militias/
Mike Sabo is a Contributing Editor of American Reformer and an Assistant Editor of The American Mind, the online journal of the Claremont Institute. His writing has appeared at RealClearPolitics, The Federalist, Public Discourse, and American Greatness, among other outlets. He lives with his wife and son in Cincinnati.
Learn more about Mike Sabo's work:
https://americanreformer.org/author/mike-sabo/
Ben R. Crenshaw is a Visiting Fellow at American Reformer and Visiting Assistant Professor at the Declaration of Independence Center at the University of Mississippi. He is a Ph.D. candidate in Politics at the Van Andel Graduate School of Statesmanship at Hillsdale College. You can follow him on Twitter at @benrcrenshaw.
Learn more about Ben Crenshaw's work:
https://americanreformer.org/author/bencrenshaw/
https://gradschool.hillsdale.edu/Profiles/Benjamin-Crenshaw/
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Jan 2, 2025 • 1h 10min
Reformed Resurgence (ft. Brad Vermurlen)
Brad Vermurlen, a social scientist and assistant professor of sociology at Calvin University, joins Timon to talk about the new calvinism and his book, Reformed Resurgence from Oxford University Press.
#BradVermurlen #America #UnitedStates #Religion #Culture #Modernity #Calvin #Calvinism
Brad Vermurlen is a social scientist whose research centers on American religion, culture, and modernity. He is currently visiting assistant professor of sociology at Calvin University and an affiliated scholar with the Institute for Advanced Catholic Studies at the University of Southern California.
Learn more about Brad Vermurlen's work:
https://bradvermurlen.com/
https://x.com/brad_vermurlen
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Dec 23, 2024 • 55min
Against Worldview (ft. Simon Kennedy)
Simon Kennedy, research fellow at University of Queensland and fellow at the Danube Institute, joins Timon to talk about his new book, Against Worldview from Lexham Press.
#SimonKennedy #AgainstWorldview #Christianity #Theology #Politics #Tradition #NaturalLaw #Ethics
Simon P. Kennedy is research fellow at the University of Queensland in Australia and a non-resident fellow at the Danube Institute in Budapest. He is associate editor of Quadrant magazine and teaches at a variety of institutions, including the Lachlan Macquarie Institute and Queensland Theological College.
Learn more about Simon Kennedy's work:
https://x.com/spkenn1
https://uq.academia.edu/SimonKennedy
Purchase Simon Kennedy's new book, "Against Worldview"
https://a.co/d/8WUajcU
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Dec 18, 2024 • 1h 1min
TheoBros (ft. Doug Wilson)
Doug Wilson joins Josh and Timon to talk about the recent profile of the “TheoBros” from Mother Jones and what building thick Christian communities looks like in negative world.
#DouglasWilson #ChristKirk #ChristChurch #BlogMablog #MoscowIdaho #CREC #Trump #Government #Nominees #JDVance #America #Community
Douglas Wilson served in the submarine service of the U.S. Navy, then earned two B.A. degrees, one in Philosophy and one in Classical Studies, plus an M.A. in Philosophy; all three of his degrees were granted by the University of Idaho. He has been an Instructor at both the University of Idaho and Lewis & Clark State College, and is currently a Senior Fellow at New Saint Andrews College, where he has taught since its inception without compensation. He has served Christ Church, Moscow, as a pastor since 1977, and under his leadership it has founded New Saint Andrews College, Canon Press publishing house, the Communion of Reformed Evangelical Churches, and many mission churches around the US and internationally. He has authored almost eighty books for a dozen different publishing houses. He is happily married to Nancy, coming up on 50 years, and has three kids and seventeen grandkids.
Learn more about Pastor Douglas Wilson's work at:
https://dougwils.com/
https://twitter.com/douglaswils
https://www.christkirk.com/
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Dec 13, 2024 • 1h 10min
Who Are We? (ft. Auron MacIntyre)
Auron MacIntyre joins the show to talk about American identity, the future prospects of the right, and how to handle disagreements within a movement.
Show Notes:
Purchase Auron MacIntyre's new book, The Total State
#AuronMacIntyre #TotalState #Politics #Identity #Nation #People #ConservativeMovement #Multiculturalism #Immigration #Diversity #Republic #Culture
Auron MacIntyre is the host of “The Auron MacIntyre Show” and a columnist for Blaze News. He offers thought-provoking and mold-breaking insights, drawing from the best political thinkers throughout history to make sense of our current political climate in a way that is easy to digest.
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https://www.theblaze.com/u/auronmacintyre
https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre
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