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American Reformer
The American Reformer Podcast’s mission is to promote a vigorous Christian approach to the cultural challenges of our day, rooted in the rich tradition of Protestant social and political thought. Focusing particularly on issues facing American Christians, we will seek to contribute to the reformation of Christian institutions that have become corrupted by false ideologies and practices.
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Aug 14, 2025 • 1h 1min
Everson Must Fall (ft. Timon Cline)
Editors Mike Sabo and Ben Crenshaw interview Timon about his article on why Everson v. Board of Education must be overturned and separation of church and state ended, co-authored with Josh Hammer and Yoram Hazony, in the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy.
Notes: https://journals.law.harvard.edu/jlpp/
Timon Cline is the Editor-in-chief of American Reformer. Prior to his appointment as editor-in-chief, he was a deputy attorney general in the Office of the New Jersey Attorney General. He is a graduate of Rutgers Law School and Westminster Theological Seminary, the Director of Scholarly Initiatives at the Hale Institute at New Saint Andrews College, a fellow at the Craig Center at Westminster Theological Seminary, and an opinion contributor at World. His writing has appeared at American Mind, the American Conservative, and Modern Reformation, among others. He is a member of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church and lives in Philadelphia with his wife and son.
Learn more about Timon Cline's work:
https://americanreformer.org/about/
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Aug 13, 2025 • 1h 4min
Postliberal Protestants (ft. Hunter Baker)
Hunter Baker, provost and professor at North Greenville University, joins Timon and Josh to talk about his new book, Postliberal Protestants: Baptists Between Obergefell and Christian Nationalism.
Hunter Baker, J.D., Ph.D. serves as provost and dean of the faculty of North Greenville University. He is the author of three books (The End of Secularism, Political Thought: A Student's Guide, and The System Has a Soul), has contributed chapters and forewords to 21 others, and has published over 40 articles and essays. His work has been translated into Italian, Polish, and in the near future, Chinese. He is the winner of the 2011 Michael Novak Award conferred by the Acton Institute and has lectured widely on matters of religion and liberty. In addition to his work at North Greenville, Baker also serves as a contributing editor for Touchstone: A Journal of Mere Christianity and as an associate editor of the Journal of Markets and Morality. He is a fellow of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, the Center for Religion, Culture, and Democracy, and the Land Center for Cultural Engagement. Baker also writes for the popular website World Opinions.
Learn more about Hunter Baker's work:
https://www.ngu.edu/faculty/hunter-baker/
Purchase Dr. Baker's book, "Postliberal Protestants"
https://a.co/d/eQdqpPh
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Aug 5, 2025 • 1h 17min
American Awakening (ft. Joshua Mitchell)
Joshua Mitchell, professor at Georgetown University, joins Timon and Josh for a wide ranging discussion about America, identity politics, and Protestantism.
Joshua Mitchell, PhD. is currently professor of political theory at Georgetown University. He has been Chairman of the Government Department and also Associate Dean of Faculty Affairs at SFS-Q. During the 2008-10 academic years, Dr. Mitchell was took Leave from Georgetown, and was the Acting Chancellor of The American University of Iraq - Sulaimani. His research interest lies in the relationship between political thought and theology in the West. He has published articles in The Review of Politics, The Journal of Politics, The Journal of Religion, APSR, and Political Theory. In 1993 his book, NOT BY REASON ALONE: RELIGION, HISTORY, AND IDENTITY IN EARLY MODERN THOUGHT, was published by the University of Chicago Press. A second book, THE FRAGILITY OF FREEDOM: TOCQUEVILLE ON RELIGION, DEMOCRACY, AND THE AMERICAN FUTURE, was published in 1995, also by the University of Chicago Press. In 2006, PLATO'S FABLE: ON THE MORTAL CONDITION IN SHADOWY TIMES, was published by Princeton University Press. His most recent book, TOCQUEVILLE IN ARABIA: DILEMMAS IN A DEMOCRATIC AGE, was published by the University of Chicago Press in 2013. More recently, he finished a book entitled, AMERICAN AWAKENING: IDENTITY POLITICS AND OTHER AFFLICTIONS OF OUR TIME, to be published shortly by Encounter Books (2020). His next book-length project will be called THE GENTLE SEDUCTION OF TYRANY.
Learn more about Dr. Joshua Mitchell's work:
https://gufaculty360.georgetown.edu/s/contact/00336000014Rh8tAAC/joshua-mitchell
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Jul 28, 2025 • 30min
Teach Them Diligently (ft. Kirk Cameron)
Kirk Cameron joins Timon and Josh to talk about the See You at the Library initiative, America's Christian heritage, culture building, and why teaching our children biblical virtue is essential for national renewal.
Notes: https://bravebooks.us/pages/see-you-at-the-library
Kirk Cameron is known by millions as “Mike Seaver” from the 1980’s sit-com “Growing Pains.” Since then, Kirk starred in “Fireproof” - the #1 inspirational movie of the year and inspired the best-selling book “The Love Dare” - as well as the movies “Left Behind”, “Monumental”, produced his newest film “Lifemark” with the Kendrick Brothers about the value of life in the womb and the beauty of adoption, and produced the documentary “The Homeschool Awakening” about the growing homeschooling movement. Kirk hosts TBN’s television series “Takeaways with Kirk Cameron” and “One on One with Kirk Cameron” and co-hosted the series “The Way of the Master”. Recently, he has been featured in the press, talking about his “American Campfire Revival” livestream, events, and podcast, urging the family of faith to return to the principles that will bring blessing and protection to America. Kirk recently authored the children’s book “As You Grow” that teaches Biblical principles and character
Learn more about Kirk Camera's work:
https://www.kirkcameron.com/
https://bravebooks.us/pages/brave-plus
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Jul 23, 2025 • 1h 1min
Stockholm Syndrome Christianity (ft. John West)
John West, Vice President of the Discovery Institute, joins the show to talk his new book Stockholm Syndrome Christianity. West argues that many Christian leaders and institutions are adopting secularist views and facilitating cultural decline. He cites examples like Andy Stanley's rejection of the Old Testament and Francis Collins's support for LGBTQ+ rights and abortion-related research.
Dr. John West is Vice President and a Senior Fellow at the Seattle-based Discovery Institute, where he also serves as Managing Director of the Institute’s Center for Science & Culture, which he co-founded with philosopher of science Stephen Meyer in 1996. His current research examines the impact of science and “scientism” on public policy and culture. His other areas of expertise include constitutional law, American government and institutions, and religion and politics.
Learn more about John G. West's work:
https://www.discovery.org/p/west/
https://x.com/jgwestdi
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Jul 17, 2025 • 51min
The Johnson Amendment (ft. Jon Whitehead)
Jon Whitehead, attorney and former board member of the ERLC, joins the show to talk about the significance and implications for pastors of the Trump administration’s recent changes to the tax code.
Jonathan Whitehead represents churches, denominations, colleges, and religious organizations on matters of corporate governance and compliance. He played a leading role in landmark Missouri cases on the relationship between denominational groups and their related entities. He has authored numerous amicus briefs and been co-counsel on cases before the United States Supreme Court. In 2018, he was named an "Influential Appellate Advocate" by Missouri's Lawyers Weekly. He is a graduate of Southwest Baptist University (2001) and Harvard Law School (2004). He is also a Blackstone Fellow (2002).
Learn more about Jonathan Whitehead's work:
https://x.com/jrwhitehead
https://www.whiteheadlawllc.com/
https://americanreformer.org/author/jonathan-whitehead/
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Jul 4, 2025 • 1h 4min
Conservatism & Higher Ed (ft. Scott Yenor)
American Reformer contributor and Claremont Institute fellow, Scott Yenor, joins Josh and Timon to talk about his experience in conservative higher education reform.
Scott Yenor is a Washington Fellow at The Claremont Institute’s Center for the American Way of Life. His research focuses on feminism, sexual liberation, and on dismantling the rule of social justice in America’s universities. Yenor is author of Family Politics: The Idea of Marriage in Modern Political Thought (Baylor, 2011). His latest book is The Recovery of Family Life: Exposing the Limits of Modern Ideologies (Baylor 2020). In addition, his academic publications have appeared in Law & Liberty, The Federalist, City Journal, and The Claremont Review of Books. He is a political science professor at Boise State University. He earned his Ph.D from Loyola University, Chicago. He has five children and lives with his wife, Amy, in Meridian, Idaho.
Learn more about Scott Yenor's work:
https://dc.claremont.org/author/scott-yenor/
https://experts.boisestate.edu/en/persons/scott-yenor
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Jun 25, 2025 • 1h 5min
Iran and Equality (ft. Ben Crenshaw & Mike Sabo)
For an editors roundtable, Timon, Ben, and Mike discuss the meaning of American equality and the potential for war with Iran.
Mike Sabo is a Contributing Editor of American Reformer and an Assistant Editor of The American Mind, the online journal of the Claremont Institute. His writing has appeared at RealClearPolitics, The Federalist, Public Discourse, and American Greatness, among other outlets. He lives with his wife and son in Cincinnati.
Learn more about Mike Sabo's work:
https://americanreformer.org/author/mike-sabo/
Ben R. Crenshaw is a Visiting Assistant Professor at the Declaration of Independence Center at the University of Mississippi. He is a Ph.D. candidate in Politics at the Van Andel Graduate School of Statesmanship at Hillsdale College. You can follow him on X at @benrcrenshaw.
Learn more about Ben Crenshaw's work:
https://americanreformer.org/author/bencrenshaw/
https://gradschool.hillsdale.edu/Profiles/Benjamin-Crenshaw/
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Jun 10, 2025 • 1h 11min
The Virtue of Nationalism (ft. Yoram Hazony)
Yoram Hazony joins Josh and Timon to celebrate the seventh anniversary reprint of his book, The Virtue of Nationalism.
Yoram Hazony is President of the Herzl Institute in Jerusalem, and currently serve as Chairman of the Edmund Burke Foundation, a public affairs institute based in Washington DC that has hosted the National Conservatism Conference since 2019. He has authored numerous books including, "Conservatism: A Rediscovery," "The Philosophy of Hebrew Scripture," "The Jewish State: The Struggle for Israel's Soul," "God and Politics in Esther," and most notably "The Virtue of Nationalism" which was selected as Conservative Book of the Year in 2019, and was an Amazon #1 best-seller in both International Diplomacy and Nationalism. Yoram lives in Israel with his wife Yael and together they have nine children.
Learn more about Yoram Hazony's work:
https://www.yoramhazony.org/about/
https://herzlinstitute.org/en/
https://x.com/yhazony
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Jun 2, 2025 • 1h 3min
Scandals and Due Process (ft. Mike Sabo & Ben Crenshaw)
In this editors roundtable, Mike, Ben, and Timon talk about the recent revelations surrounding former President Biden's health, and recent court cases that are preventing President Trump's immigration policies.
Mike Sabo is a Contributing Editor of American Reformer and an Assistant Editor of The American Mind, the online journal of the Claremont Institute. His writing has appeared at RealClearPolitics, The Federalist, Public Discourse, and American Greatness, among other outlets. He lives with his wife and son in Cincinnati.
Learn more about Mike Sabo's work:
https://americanreformer.org/author/mike-sabo/
Ben R. Crenshaw is a Visiting Assistant Professor at the Declaration of Independence Center at the University of Mississippi. He is a Ph.D. candidate in Politics at the Van Andel Graduate School of Statesmanship at Hillsdale College. You can follow him on X at @benrcrenshaw.
Learn more about Ben Crenshaw's work:
https://americanreformer.org/author/bencrenshaw/
https://gradschool.hillsdale.edu/Profiles/Benjamin-Crenshaw/
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