

Water Values Podcast
Dave McGimpsey
The Water Values Podcast series is presented in collaboration with Bluefield Research. This podcast series explores water issues from a variety of perspectives with the goal of uncovering the true value of water. Each episode will delve into one aspect of water, such as water utilities, water treatment, water resources, water reuse, and more.
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May 21, 2024 • 34min
The PFAS Rule and Solving the PFAS Challenge with Xylem’s Snehal Desai
Snehal Desai, Xylem’s Senior Vice President and Chief Growth and Innovation Officer, joins us for a phenomenal discussion about PFAS. Snehal addresses the EPA’s recently promulgated PFAS rule and dives into present treatment options, including several PFAS treatment success stories, and where PFAS treatment technology is headed.
In this session, you’ll learn about:
Sne’s extensive experience and varied roles in the water industry
How a clear signal from regulators on PFAS helps industry participants
The lead-in time for PFAS rules
The purpose of the 3 year monitoring timeline
The period of time in which utilities need to get solutions in place
How PFAS rule implementation mirrors other environmental rule roll-outs
The solutions currently available to treat PFAS
How “mobile” solutions are developing
The three categories of technological development Sne sees coming in PFAS remediation
Why PFAS remediation needs to be tailored to the characteristics of the water being treated
Examples of PFAS remediation (& the importance of talking about remediation!)
Sne’s take on the biggest challenges of PFAS rule compliance
Snehal’s insights into treating wastewater effluent streams for PFAS remediation
Resources and links mentioned in or relevant to this session include:
Snehal’s LinkedIn profile
Xylem’s website
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May 7, 2024 • 44min
The Blue Economy and Regional Partnering in the Great Lakes with Alaina Harkness
Water rock star Alaina Harkness, Executive Director of Current and CEO/Principal Investigator of Great Lakes ReNew, provides a phenomenal look at water’s place in economic development, building regional partnerships, and so much more. Plus, Reese Tisdale discusses hydrogen in this month’s Bluefield on Tap segment.
In this session, you’ll learn about:
Alaina’s background in foundation work and economic development
Current’s mission and why it was formed
How Alaina scaled Current up
What Alaina means by ‘Blue Economy’
How Alaina linked water and economic development
Why Alaina thinks now is the time to accelerate investment in the water sector, especially in the Great Lakes
How water has morphed from an afterthought to a driver in economic development
How the Great Lakes ReNEW came together to create regional partnerships
How R&D, Commercialization, and Work Force elements came together to form the basis of the regional partnerships
How the Great Lakes ReNEW’s workforce development initiative is coming together
What’s in store for Great Lakes ReNEW
How the cooperative grant structure from the National Science Foundation works
Resources and links mentioned in or relevant to this session include:
Alaina’s Linkedin Profile
Current’s website
Great Lakes ReNEW’s website
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Apr 16, 2024 • 37min
Reflections on the Boldt Decision with Earl McGimpsey
Growing up, I always sensed that my father was deeply involved in a significant legal case, although my understanding of it was limited as I was less than 5 years old at the time. It wasn’t until much later in life, when I attended an American Bar Association Water Law Conference, that I truly grasped the importance of the Boldt Decision. Now, as this pivotal ruling marks its 50th anniversary, I felt compelled to capture my father’s thoughts on the case.
In this session, you’ll learn about:
The background on the Boldt Decision (United States v. Washington, 384 F.Supp. 312 (W.D. Wash. Feb. 12, 1974)
Why the Indian Tribes brought suit
The parties involved in the Boldt lawsuit
The bodies of water affected by the Boldt Decision
How and why different agencies of the State took different positions on the lawsuit
Words matter: why the language “usual and accustomed grounds and stations” from the 1850’s era treaty was so important
How the court determined the Indian Tribes were engaged in commercial fishing at the time of the treaty
Why Native Americans testified on both sides of the case (for the State and for the Tribes)
How the United States argued that the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service could assist the Indian Tribes in regulating fishing
Why Judge Boldt determined that the State could not regulate Indian fishing
The appellate process for the Boldt Decision
The effects on commercial fishing of the Boldt Decision
How the media covered the Boldt Decision
Resources and links mentioned in or relevant to this session include:
University of Washington Law School’s webpage on the Boldt Decision
Historylink website article on the Boldt Decision
The Backlash to Boldt: Article on the National Museum of the American Indian website
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Apr 2, 2024 • 43min
Corporate Water Stewardship and Science Based Targets with WWF’s Allen Townsend
WWF’s Allen Townsend provides an illuminating discussion on Science Based Targets and corporate water stewardship. Allen explains current guidance status, the entities involved, and where science based targets for nature and corporate water stewardship are headed. Plus, Reese Tisdale updates us on IIJA funding status during this month’s Bluefield on Tap segment.
In this session, you’ll learn about:
Allen’s background and the book that galvanized his decision to focus on the water sector
Allen’s work on the World Wildlife Fund’s Freshwater and Food Team
What the Science Based Target Network (SBTN) is
What the Freshwater Hub is
WWF’s Corporate Water Stewardship Program
SBTN’s 5-step framework for attaining science based targets for nature
Using targets as a compass
Where SBTN is in the process of piloting the program and revising guidance
Why being an early adopter for companies is important
How watershed basin-based approaches to water stewardship yield enhanced results
How to get involved in corporate water stewardship
Resources and links mentioned in or relevant to this session include:
Allen’s LinkedIn page
World Wildlife Fund’s website
Science Based Target Networks Freshwater Hub website
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Mar 19, 2024 • 40min
Back to the Future: Ten Years Gone and Strategic Water Foresight with Matthew Klein
Ten years ago, Matthew Klein was the first ever guest of The Water Values Podcast. Matt, now CEO and Chief Futurist at Aqualaurus Group, returns to discuss the discipline of strategic foresight and how it can benefit the water industry.
In this session, you’ll learn about:
Matt’s water journey over the past 10 years
How and why Matt decided to become a water futurist through the discipline of strategic foresight
Why Matt started the Water Foresight Podcast
Why the water industry needs strategic foresight
How water foresight helps anticipate, frame, and shape the probable futures
Matt’s hypothesis on water culture
The main benefits of a utility adopting a foresight mindset
How utility vendors can benefit from water foresight
The lenses through which strategic foresight anticipates, frames, and shapes the future
Examples of using water foresight to anticipate forthcoming changes
Resources and links mentioned in or relevant to this session include:
Matthew’s LinkedIn page
Water Foresight podcast Buzzsprout website
Aqualaurus
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Mar 5, 2024 • 43min
Water Service and Inequity in Mobile Home Parks with UCLA’s Greg Pierce
Today’s podcast episode features Greg Pierce, Professor of Urban Planning at UCLA, Research and Co-Executive Director at UCLA’s Luskin Center for Innovation, Director of UCLA’s Water Resource Lab, and Director of UCLA’s Human Right Water Lab.
During this conversation, Greg addresses water equity issues affecting mobile home parks, emphasizing the importance for anyone concerned about small systems to also prioritize the issues faced by these communities, i.e., mobile home park water systems. Plus, Reese Tisdale makes an appearance to discuss Eversource’s decision to divest Aquarion on this month’s Bluefield on Tap segment.
In this session, you’ll learn about:
Greg’s unique journey to the water industry and WASH research focused on the United States
How Greg defines mobile home parks and how mobile home parks compare and contrast with manufactured housing
Why mobile home parks are an important barometer for measuring WASH issues
How mobile home parks typically receive and manage water services
The challenges mobile home park water systems face in complying with Safe Drinking Water Act regulations
The technical, managerial, and financial challenges faced by mobile home park water systems
Why it’s difficult to gather data on how much mobile home park residents pay for water services
Why neighboring water systems often decline to provide water services to mobile home parks
How water equity issues in mobile home parks are emblematic of broader inequity issues facing mobile home parks including general infrastructure, heat, fire, ramifications of climate change, stigma, and more
What “premise plumbing” means for mobile home parks and why it’s a problem
Potential solutions and policy initiatives to improve water equity in mobile home parks
Resources and links mentioned in or relevant to this session include:
Greg’s LinkedIn page
Greg’s email address
Greg’s X handle
UCLA Luskin Center for Innovation’s website
NIST website
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Feb 20, 2024 • 37min
Cybersecurity for Water Utilities with Dentons Partner Kyle Miller
Dave’s law partner at Dentons, Kyle Miller, is a cybersecurity and data privacy lawyer who provides a tremendous discussion on a wide range of cybersecurity issues for water utilities. Water utilities (and all critical infrastructure providers) will find Kyle’s in-depth knowledge and experience on cybersecurity and data privacy issues well worth the time investment.
In this session, you’ll learn about:
Kyle’s background in cybersecurity and information technology before becoming a data privacy and cybersecurity lawyer
Recent cybersecurity incidents involving water utilities
Traditional profit-based cyber attacks and the rise of politically motivated attacks
The reasons why utilities have difficulty with cybersecurity
Why some utilities have a false sense of security over cybersecurity
The cybersecurity vulnerabilities present in utilities
Why the integration of information systems and operations systems presents a risk
The regulation that wasn’t in 2023 (U.S. EPAs withdrawn regulation)
The legal requirements of the Cyber Incident Reporting for Critical Infrastructure Act that utilities need to be aware of
Why utilities need to know the applicable regulations in advance (because you won’t have time to look them up during an incident)
Two important members of the acronym soup of cybersecurity:
CISA: Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency
NIST: National Institute for Standards and Technology
Kyle’s terrific “leave behind” message for water utilities on cybersecurity
Resources and links mentioned in or relevant to this session include:
Kyle’s LinkedIn page
Kyle’s bio on Dentons’ website
CISA website
NIST website
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Feb 6, 2024 • 41min
Sustainable Water Supply with Eastern’s General Manager Joe Mouawad
Eastern Municipal Water District (Eastern) General Manager, Joe Mouawad, provides a fantastic discussion of Eastern’s Purified Groundwater Replenishment Program and its attendant benefits, as well as a discussion about water usage and water efficiency in Eastern’s service area.
In this session, you’ll learn about:
Joe’s background in water and path to Eastern’s General Manager position
Eastern’s water resource portfolio
Eastern’s brackish groundwater desalination program
Eastern’s customer growth and how Eastern has creatively reused water
Eastern’s Purified Groundwater Replenishment Program
The groundwater infiltration and aquifer recharge process and cycle
The climate extremes driving Eastern’s water resource portfolio diversification
The federal and state support for the groundwater purification project
How the aquifer recharge supports groundwater resources throughout the entire basin
How the Water Master administers and improves the basin’s groundwater resources
The groundwater replacement program’s impact on subsidence and energy usage
Water efficiency measures adopted by Eastern
Resources and links mentioned in or relevant to this session include:
Joe Mouawad LinkedIn profile
Eastern Municipal Water District’s Website
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Jan 16, 2024 • 47min
Key Water Megatrends with Art Umble
Art Umble, Director of the Stantec Institute for Applied Science, Technology & Policy, provides a fascinating discussion identifying the key megatrends impacting water and exploring the issues driving those megatrends.
In this session, you’ll learn about:
Art’s distinguished background in water
The work undertaken by the Institute for Applied Science, Technology and Policy
The knowledge gaps we need to fill in order to develop a strategy to address water stress
Key water megatrends: (1) Water Stress; (2) Global Urbanization; (3) Transboundary Water; (4) Agricultural Productivity
Water stress as a global, national, and regional issue
The three S’s of water stress: scarcity, socio-economics, and security
Water stress is usually discussed in scarcity terms, but socio-economics factors (i.e., infrastructure adequacy) also plays a significant role
The global urbanization challenge and the concentration of water demand
How population growth will affect water stress
Agriculture water sources – “blue water” and “green water” and what they are
How evapotranspiration affects green water
Unsustainable irrigation and the reasons behind it
Art’s thoughts on how we address water stress
Resources and links mentioned in or relevant to this session include:
Art’s LinkedIn page
The Stantec Institute for Applied Science, Technology & Policy’s website
TWV #227: A Refreshing Vision for Water with Metropolitan’s Adel Hagekhalil
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Jan 2, 2024 • 44min
A Fresh Take on Digital Transformation with Seth Johnstone
Seth Johnstone, the Client Engagement Leader for Water Utility Digital Solutions at 1898 & Co., provides a fresh perspective on digital transformation at water utilities. Seth crushes this interview, and no matter how much you think you know about digital transformation, you will learn from taking a listen to Seth. Plus, Reese Tisdale kicks off another year of Bluefield on Tap with a Top 5 issues list. See if your issues list matches Reese’s list.
In this session, you’ll learn about:
Seth’s unique background in water
What an underwater archaeologist does
Seth’s thoughts on technology and workforce replacement
Seth’s awesome take on the essential function of technology for a utility
Why Seth believes most of what a utility does from an asset perspective is location-based
What the “laser guided shovel” is
Cybersecurity issues for utilities
The IT and OT cybersecurity issues and how to marry them together
Why utilities need to prepare for and respond to hyperlocal issues
Resources and links mentioned in or relevant to this session include:
Seth’s LinkedIn page
1898 & Co.’s website
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