

Water Values Podcast
Dave McGimpsey
The Water Values Podcast series is presented in collaboration with Bluefield Research. This podcast series explores water issues from a variety of perspectives with the goal of uncovering the true value of water. Each episode will delve into one aspect of water, such as water utilities, water treatment, water resources, water reuse, and more.
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Nov 19, 2024 • 39min
The Importance of Earnestly Valuing Water with Alex Shannon
Alex Shannon, Senior Vice President and West Region Business Line Leader, provides a phenomenal interview focusing on valuing water, spending water infrastructure funds efficiently, and analyzing the issues from multiple perspectives: economics, OneWater, local politics, and more. Tune in for some of Alex’s great insights.
In this session, you’ll learn about:
Alex’s transformation from economist to the water economist
How Alex’s economics background meshes well with the water sector
The benefits of dynamic economic modeling of capital improvement plans (CIPs) and master plans for water utilities
How to maintain a dynamic CIP and master plan
Alex’s thoughts on how artificial intelligence (AI) will affect dynamic CIPs and master plans
The three major variable inputs for dynamic CIPs and master plans
OneWater and the value proposition for water
Why water quality is top of mind for Alex
How water quality and OneWater approaches differ from large systems to small systems
Alex’s thoughts on overcoming local politics to creatively solve water issues
Where Alex has seen IIJA and IRA funds going to water infrastructure issues
How Alex has seen water utilities overcome affordability challenges
Alex’s thoughts on what’s in the future for water utility infrastructure
Resources and links mentioned in or relevant to this session include:
Alex’s LinkedIn profile
WSP’s water supply & distribution web page
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Nov 5, 2024 • 44min
The LCRI – What You Need to Know with 120Water’s Isaac Pellerin
Isaac Pellerin, Vice President of Marketing at 120Water, dives into the data on lead service line (LSL) inventories and explains what you need to know about the Lead and Copper Rule Improvements (LCRI). Plus, Reese Tisdale provides an update on the flow of funds coming out of the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act in this month’s Bluefield on Tap segment.
In this session, you’ll learn about:
Isaac’s unique road to the water sector
How 120Water’s business model has evolved from its initial inception
The current state of utility LSL inventories based on the approximately 8,000 utilities submitting via the 120Water software platform
The unknown percentage and lead percentage in the LSL inventories
The difference between LSL percentages between urban and rural utilities
The LCRI and its 5 focus areas
Isaac’s thoughts on assisting rural utilities achieve LCRI compliance
What the 10-year LSL replacement deadline really means
The significance of lowering the lead action level and the change in tap sampling requirements
What Isaac thinks utilities should be aware of about the LCRI
What “potholing” is
What should be on utilities’ to-do list for LCRI compliance
Why it’s important to eliminate as many unknowns as possible in the next LSL inventories due in 2027
Resources and links mentioned in or relevant to this session include:
Isaac’s LinkedIn profile
120Water’s website
Registration for 120Water’s webinar on LCRI Compliance
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Oct 15, 2024 • 34min
Industrial Water Applications and Reuse with Gradiant Co-Founder and COO Prakash Govindan
Prakash Govindan, COO and Co-Founder of Gradiant, provides a phenomenal look at industrial water applications and reuse. Prakash describes a multitude of issues and uses relating to water in industrial settings. He does a great job putting water in context of business needs and political decision-making.
In this session, you’ll learn about:
Prakash’s upbringing in the Chennai, India, and how it shaped his appreciation of water
How Prakash earned his Ph.D. and became unemployable, so had to start a company
How Prakash worked on and invented zero liquid discharge technologies at MIT
How in Prakash’s words, Gradiant is a water company that solves societal problems
How Gradiant facilitates lithium extraction and production, and PFAS destruction
Gradiant’s involvement in industrial water reuse
Prakash’s unique perspective on the intersection between water, geopolitics, and national security in the context of the semiconductor industry
How water-intensive industries can flip a water rich area to water-stressed (see: Taiwan, where Prakash explains uses 60% of its water in the semiconductor industry)
Water reuse in industrial applications and manufacturing processes
Differences in developing water reuse solutions for greenfield and brownfield projects
How Prakash tries to futureproof water solutions
Why water is not a piece of the puzzle, it is the puzzle
Resources and links mentioned in or relevant to this session include:
Prakash’s LinkedIn profile
Gradiant’s website
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Oct 1, 2024 • 45min
Water Use in Mining with INTERA’s Patrick Williamson
Patrick Williamson, a Principal Hydrogeochemist with INTERA, provides a phenomenal discussion on the interrelationship between water and mining. Patrick deftly addresses a range of water issues present in mining. Plus, Reese Tisdale addresses the Rethinking Water conference and the role of private capital in the water sector in this month’s Bluefield on Tap segment.
In this session, you’ll learn about:
Patrick’s fascinating background as an “oil brat”, exposure to geology as a result, and how that led him to environmental geochemistry and the water sector
Why mining is important for modern life – “If it can’t be grown, it needs to be mined”
Why mining is water intensive
How water is used in mining
What mine tailings are and why tailings ponds are used
Dewatering in mines
The difference between contact water and non-contact water and their treatment needs
How water intensity of mining depends on the relationship among climate, commodity, and location
The tension between water for mining, water for agriculture, and water for human populations
The broad spectrum of water risks facing the mining sector
ESG implications for the mining sector
Why water cannot be viewed as a consumable input anymore
The biggest water transformations in mining over the last 20 years
Resources and links mentioned in or relevant to this session include:
Patrick’s LinkedIn profile
INTERA’s website
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Sep 17, 2024 • 43min
A Big Investment to Make Water Simple with Josh Cantone and Patrick Keaney
Josh Cantone, Managing Director of Suez Digital Solutions North America/CEO of Optimatics and Patrick Keaney, CEO of Subeca, provide a fascinating look at the Series A investment into Subeca, a tech company aiming to bring simple and cost-effective solutions to water utilities of all sizes. Josh and Patrick not only describe the motivation behind the investment but delve into the technology and the factors that make it an easy, secure and cost-effective solution for even the smallest utilities.
In this session, you’ll learn about:
Josh’s background in Australia and Australian stormwater infrastructure projects
Patrick’s background in environmental engineering and how he moved from Big Tech to start-up CEO
Why Subeca is a tech company, not a metering company
How Subeca specializes in IoT solutions that focus on the water industry
Why Suez/Optimatics wanted to strategically target the smart metering market
Why Suez decided to make a Series A investment in Subeca
Patrick’s thoughts on the smart meter market
How Subeca’s smart meter register technology allows for simplistic and easy implementation on Amazon’s cybersecurity Sidewalk platform
The unique aspects of Subeca’s Series A investment and the participating investors
How Subeca provides simple and affordable smart meter solutions to smaller and mid-size utilities
Resources and links mentioned in or relevant to this session include:
Josh’s LinkedIn profile
Patrick’s LinkedIn profile
Subeca’s website
Article on the Series A investment in Subeca
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Sep 3, 2024 • 41min
Why Stormwater Deserves More Attention with ADS’s Brian King
Brian King, the Executive Vice President of Marketing, Product Management and Sustainability for Advanced Drainage Systems provides a tour de force interview explaining stormwater in a way you’ve probably never heard before. Plus, Reese Tisdale returns for a Bluefield on Tap segment discussing how the outcome of the 2024 presidential election might impact the water sector.
In this session, you’ll learn about:
Brian’s background in construction building materials
Why Brian made the jump to stormwater and how construction building materials feeds into stormwater management
Where stormwater fits into the water story
How to flip the narrative on stormwater from afterthought to forethought
The steps in stormwater management: Capture, Convey, Store, Treatment, and Opportunities to use it as a resource
The types of capture infrastructure, including gray and green infrastructure
Examples of stormwater infrastructure enabling efficient use of land, resources and public engagement, including unique storage solutions
Why underground stormwater storage is a preferred storage method
The various stormwater treatment options and considerations
The two big stormwater treatment standards used in the United States
Considerations and opportunities for stormwater harvesting
Why sustainable stormwater solutions are often economically more viable than traditional solutions
Resources and links mentioned in or relevant to this session include:
Brian’s LinkedIn profile
ADS’s website
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Aug 20, 2024 • 28min
Cybersecurity Threats, Resources, and Assistance with CISA’s David Mussington
David Mussington, Executive Assistant Director for Infrastructure Security at the Cybersecurity & Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), gives a phenomenal interview covering cybersecurity issues relevant to water and wastewater utilities (and other critical infrastructure sectors, too!), including identifying resources, aid, and funding opportunities for water and wastewater utilities.
In this session, you’ll learn about:
David’s impressive background in cybersecurity
What CISA is and what it does
How CISA assists and supports owners and operators of critical infrastructure
The risks cyber threats pose to critical infrastructure systems
The changing nature of cyber threats
Why cybersecurity is more than just water and wastewater service, it impacts the entire economy
How utilities can assess what assets are exposed and at risk, and why they need to
The forms of cybersecurity aid that CISA provides for free
Why critical infrastructure entities need to ensure their vendors take cybersecurity precautions
David’s tips for some simple cybersecurity steps
Resources and links mentioned in or relevant to this session include:
David’s LinkedIn profile
CISA’s water and wastewater website
TWV #252: Cybersecurity for Water Utilities with Dentons Partner Kyle Miller
TWV #212: Cybersecurity Basics with Consolidated Utility District’s Mike Sumner
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Aug 6, 2024 • 45min
PFAS Eradication with Doug Hatler
Doug Hatler comes on for his second appearance on The Water Values Podcast. Doug provides an impassioned interview on PFAS and the need to eradicate it, along with identifying levers to achieve eradication. Plus, Reese Tisdale discusses the California water conservation mandate on our Bluefield on Tap segment.
In this session, you’ll learn about:
Catching up with Doug since his last podcast appearance
Doug’s goal of eradicating PFAS not just from the environment but from society
Doug’s take on the challenges facing PFAS eradication
Doug’s view on why rushing to clean up PFAS before addressing the production of PFAS is not the best approach
Doug’s prescient thoughts on PFAS remediation technology and its relation to regulation
How the potential overturning of the Chevron decision might affect PFAS regulation [NOTE: The interview was recorded prior to the issuance by the SCOTUS of the Loper Bright Enterprises and Relentless opinions that overturned Chevron]
Current state of PFAS destruction/remediation technology
Where are we on the global PFAS eradication continuum
Doug’s leave behind message on where PFAS eradication and its costs fit into larger societal pressures and demands
Resources and links mentioned in or relevant to this session include:
Doug’s LinkedIn profile
Environmental Business Ventures’ website
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Jun 18, 2024 • 45min
Reimagining Desalination with OceanWell’s Jonathan Haswell
Jonathan Haswell, Chief Business Officer at OceanWell, delivers a fascinating discussion on OceanWell’s first of a kind approach to desalination. Jonathan discusses the advantages of the “water farms” OceanWell seeks to deploy, including the significant environmental and energy benefits in this can’t miss interview. Plus, Reese Tisdale returns before our summer hiatus for a Bluefield on Tap segment, covering the recent announcement of DuPont splitting into three companies.
In this session, you’ll learn about:
Jonathan’s unique background and how the water sector found him just 2 years ago
OceanWell’s new approach to desalination
An overview of the technology
How OceanWell provides environmental benefits and reduced energy consumption compared with conventional desalination
The depth at which the necessary hydrostatic pressure is found
The distance from shore the necessary depth is typically found
The onshore infrastructure needed
The outreach process to engage with stakeholders
The “first of a kind” risk and how OceanWell addresses the risks
How OceanWell leveraged non-water technologies to develop its product
Why OceanWell believes “water dissolves conflict and creates value wherever it goes”
Why OceanWell chose California to develop its desalination solution
Resources and links mentioned in or relevant to this session include:
Jonathan’s LinkedIn profile
OceanWell’s website
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Jun 4, 2024 • 37min
Long-Range Water Planning with INTERA’s David Jordan
INTERA’s Western Water Resources Lead David Jordan provides a terrific look at the nuts and bolts of long-range water planning, including a discussion about how it has evolved over time, the impact of technology on planning, a success story, and much more.
In this session, you’ll learn about:
David’s unique background in the water sector
What long-range water planning is
The time horizons typical for long-range water planning
How long-range water planning has evolved over time
The relationship between population growth and conservation
The role of AI and machine learning in long-range water planning
How utilities make investment decisions given uncertainty and limited capital
How regulatory frameworks layer in to long-range water planning
The role of stakeholder involvement in long-range water planning
The success story of Albuquerque’s long-range water planning efforts
Why long-range water planning is like your 401(k)
P3s and long-range water planning
Resources and links mentioned in or relevant to this session include:
David’s LinkedIn profile
INTERA’s website
Thank You!
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