

Off The Looking Glass
Kate Fagan & Jessica Smetana
Kate Fagan and Jessica Smetana host this magazine style podcast. The show will include a mix of interviews, skits and discussions that consider an alternative historical point of view on culture, as well as women’s sports and those who have critiqued them. While the show is *technically* about sports, it will mostly enter through the side doors of pop culture and comedy, with a northstar of telling the story of (women in) sports with humor, insight, and joy.
Episodes
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Apr 5, 2023 • 45min
Heartland
Jess & Kate take a journey back in time with a legend, “Machine Gun Molly” Kazmer (née Bolin), who grew up playing 6-on-6 in basketball-mad Iowa before starring in the WBL. But first, the pair weighs in — twice, in fact! — on the Angel Reese vs. Caitlin Clark craziness. Oh, oh, AND … that new voice you hear is the first “Extra, Extra!” from producer Anya Alvarez, who tells us the story of a women’s basketball team from depression-era Oklahoma. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mar 29, 2023 • 32min
The Pill?
A first of its kind for OTLG: Kate and Jess hold down an episode all on their own! The pair take you back to the pod’s drawing-board days, answering questions such as, “What were some abandoned titles for the show?” and “What is your favorite fake ad?” Plus, they tackle important questions from listeners, including, “Is the show jinxing people” and, paramount, “Which college coach would you give truth serum to?” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mar 24, 2023 • 19min
Where the Buffalo Roam
EMERGENCY POD ALERT Come jump on the Colorado Buffaloes’ bandwagon alongside Kate — and maybe, Kate hopes, Jess? — as CU head coach JR Payne joins the pod ahead of her team’s Sweet Sixteen showdown with Caitlin Clark and Iowa. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mar 22, 2023 • 41min
Cardinal Rule
OTLG goes to the West Coast for a pre-NCAA tournament interview (sorry for your loss, Stanford faithful) with the stoic legend, Tara VanDerveer, who reveals the moment she first heard about Netflix. Plus, an Extra, Extra hot off the presses! We go way back … to the first-ever women’s college game played at the San Francisco Armory … Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mar 15, 2023 • 37min
Mac
Kate and Jess are joined by Stanford basketball star Cameron Brink (who loves Barbie and has never seen Sandlot!), and then they debut a brand new segment called “The OpEd” to discuss a story that piqued their interest — a New York Times article about NIL and the marketing of female athletes — which also connects with Brink. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mar 8, 2023 • 40min
The Hustle
Kate and Jess welcome on Adia Barnes, who talks about the impact of Arizona’s 2021 run to the NCAA title game. Then, an Extra, Extra hot off the presses!: the tale of Karen Logan, designer of the Wilson basketball, and her near-erasure from the history books. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mar 1, 2023 • 38min
Rocky Top
Kate and Jess go full-Tennessee in this episode, much to Kate’s delight. The duo welcomes Lady Vols’ coach (and former ‘90s star) Kellie Jolly Harper and introduce a new storytelling segment called “Campfire” — this one starring icon Cheryl Miller — that of course leads to a fiery (fire-y) discussion on the merits of S’mores. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Feb 22, 2023 • 32min
Trophies
They’re back in the game! Jess & Kate have a spiffy new logo and brand-new game plan — OTLG is going weekly until the end of time! — and to kick it all off they’re joined by reigning NCAA champion and Player of the Year, Aliyah Boston! (Don’t skip the ads, but DO go down the rabbit holes!) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jun 29, 2022 • 58min
Euro Step
In this, the Season 2 Finale, Kate & Jess go INTERNATIONAL, talking all things F1 (and W Series!) with Sky Sports host and professional driver Naomi Schiff, which leads to a very loud rabbit hole; then, Kate brings an “Extra, Extra!” in advance of the 2022 Euros about the “FA ban” — the story of when England’s Football Association barred women from its fields. Plus, the show gets a new sponsor: Cameo’s Oopsie Doopsies! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jun 22, 2022 • 52min
A Land Before IX
Jess & Kate commemorate the 50th anniversary of Title IX with an “Extra, Extra” that explains why the NCAA running women’s sports is like the fox guarding the hen house. Plus, USWNT midfielder Kristie Mewis — recent reader of The Five Love Languages — joins the show in a wide-ranging interview (from Sam Kerr to A League of Their Own to claiming shotgun as a kid). Oh, and, DON’T SKIP THE ADS! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices


