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Apr 2, 2025 • 1h 4min

EP 37 — Building Useful AI on Crypto Rails with Ejaaz

In this episode, Ejaaz joins Saurabh to explore what it really takes to build usable, decentralized AI tools on crypto rails.We break down the AI x Crypto stack from first principles: – Why fragmented compute networks haven’t worked (and what might change that) – How AI agents are reshaping crypto UX – Why open-sourcing everything could backfire in an alpha-driven world – Who the actual users of crypto-AI might be—and why they’re likely not crypto-nativeWe also discuss why product-led growth beats token-first strategies in the long run, and how to think clearly when everything—from apps to infrastructure—is bleeding into each other.If you're a founder, crypto builder, AI researcher, or just trying to make sense of where this industry is heading, this conversation is for you.Key Moments —00:00 Introduction 01:10 Understanding the AI Stack10:04 Business Models in the AI Stack18:41 AI's Role in DeFi27:58 The Future of Trading Agents33:27 The Case for Proprietary Strategies35:10 Opportunities for AI in Crypto39:10 Bridging Web2 and Web3 with AI43:16 The Role of Agents in Supply Chain and Enterprise47:56 Identifying Blind Spots in AI and Crypto49:39 Accelerate DAO👥 Guest: Ejaaz Ahamadeen – Co-Founder, Aiccelerate DAO Twitter: https://x.com/cryptopunk7213 🎙️ Host: Saurabh Deshpande – DCo Podcast Twitter: https://x.com/desh_saurabh 📬 Stay Updated: Subscribe to DCo Newsletter → https://www.decentralised.co/subscribe Follow DCo on Twitter → https://x.com/Decentralisedco This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.decentralised.co
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Mar 25, 2025 • 1h 3min

EP 36 — Beyond Four-Year Market Cycles with Will Clemente

We break down why the familiar crypto playbook no longer applies. We explore the death of predictable Bitcoin cycles, how macroeconomic shifts under Trump's administration are reshaping markets, and why stablecoins like USDC could soon dominate finance. Will shares his disciplined strategy—separating long-term conviction from short-term trades—and why crypto, in his words, remains 'the purest form of capitalism.' Tune in for a grounded, insightful take on navigating today's evolving crypto landscape.00:00 Will's Journey04:19 From Trading Sneakers to Bitcoin and Market Analysis06:20 Market Dynamics and Economic Influences15:52 Investing in Private Deals20:02 Navigating Criticism and Building a Social Media Presence25:13 Advice for Aspiring Investors and Content Creators28:56 Trends in Bitcoin and Institutional Adoption32:55 The Future of Crypto: Speculation and Regulation34:10 Portfolio Management: Balancing Long-term and Tactical Investments36:37 Stablecoins38:11 Bitcoin L2s and DeFi: Exploring New Frontiers40:45 Market Cycles47:27 Building Sustainable Businesses in Crypto51:00 The Role of Regulation in Unlocking Crypto's Potential55:55 From Memecoins to Value-driven Investments01:01:03 Market Outlook: Short-term Caution vs. Long-term OptimismFollow Us: DCo – https://x.com/Decentralisedco Will Clemente – https://x.com/WClementeIII Saurabh Deshpande – https://x.com/desh_saurabh Subscribe to DCo Newsletter – https://www.decentralised.co/subscribe This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.decentralised.co
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Mar 11, 2025 • 1h 15min

EP 35 — AI Traders, Swarms, and Surviving the Bear Market with Shaw

In a space where information is the ultimate edge, how do the best traders and builders stay ahead?Shaw from elizaOS returns to the podcast to break down the harsh realities of crypto trading, AI-driven investing, and building through market cycles. We explore:•The information edge in crypto: Why the best traders aren’t chart readers but those closest to deal flow.• AI trading agents: Overhyped? Why LLMs struggle with time-series data and where AI can actually add value.• Swarms over super AIs: The case for specialized AI agents instead of one-size-fits-all models.• Surviving market downturns: How token allocation mistakes are forcing founders into existential choices.• Revenue vs. hype: Why sustainable monetization beats reliance on speculative pumps.• Vampire attack partnerships: How some collaborations are designed to drain value rather than create it.Chapters —00:00 Introduction 02:52 The Role of AI in the Current Market05:53 Building Trust for AI-Driven Trading08:45 Exploring Copy Trading and Community Dynamics12:02 AI Agents and Swarms17:51 Practical Applications of AI Agents in Workflows28:09 Privacy and Security in Multi-tenant Environments35:12 Navigating Startup Challenges and Team Dynamics38:08 Tokenomics and Value Accrual Strategies46:21 Timing the Market and Launch Strategies50:20 The Future of Product Quality in DAOs51:09 Identifying Gaps in DAO Governance55:52 Balancing Contributions and Token Holding01:01:52 User Experience in DeFi Applications01:04:04 The Hype Cycle of New Technologies01:06:35 Lessons Learned from the Crypto SpaceFollow Us:DCo – https://x.com/DecentralisedcoShaw (wartime arc) – https://x.com/shawmakesmagicSaurabh Deshpande – https://x.com/desh_saurabhSubscribe to the DCo Newsletter – https://www.decentralised.co/subscribe This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.decentralised.co
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Feb 27, 2025 • 51min

Ep 34 — How to Bring Institutional DeFi Trading to Retail with Jai Prasad

We discuss Jai's journey from leading blockchain integration at Coinbase to founding DefinitiveFi, and how the platform grew from $20-30M to nine-figure monthly volumes.Jai explains the key innovations needed for mainstream DeFi adoption - gas abstraction, chain abstraction, and account abstraction - and how advanced order types like TWAPs allow large trades without moving markets. The conversation explores compliance challenges for institutions in DeFi, the intersection of AI and crypto, and token design philosophy.We also touch on DefinitiveFi's future plans, including expanding beyond spot trading to perps and yield strategies. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.decentralised.co
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Feb 19, 2025 • 50min

Ep 33 — Scaling the Ethereum Civilisation with Brother Bing

Ethereum scaling has been an uphill battle. We’ve built rollups, fragmented liquidity, and pushed execution limits—but have we really solved the problem? Instead of patching Ethereum’s existing framework, MegaETH has rewritten the Ethereum data structure from scratch, eliminating bottlenecks and achieving millisecond block times. The implications? Possibility of on-chain high-frequency trading, real-time gaming, instant micropayments, and an entirely new breed of decentralised applications.Chapters00:00 Introduction01:11 Journey Towards Starting MegaETH06:43 The White Paper11:12 Consensus Mechanisms and Performance Challenges15:09 Security and Censorship Resistance in MegaETH19:03 Use Cases24:10 Empowering Applications in Crypto25:38 Cultural Influences on Crypto Markets27:48 Blockchain as Civilization30:30 The Role of Community in Crypto32:57 Valuations and Community Loyalty38:10 Building a Community40:52 Capitalism and Sustainable Business ModelsFollow Us: DCo – https://x.com/Decentralisedco Shuyao Kong a.k.a Brother Bing – https://x.com/hotpot_daoSaurabh Deshpande – https://x.com/desh_saurabh DCo Newsletter – https://www.decentralised.co/ This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.decentralised.co
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Feb 4, 2025 • 49min

Ep 32 — Bitcoin Mining Economics with Nick Hansen

Bitcoin mining is a delicate balance between mathematical certainty and real-world volatility. In this episode, Nick Hansen, CEO of Luxor, breaks down the evolution of mining—from hardware cycles to energy markets, hashrate futures, and Bitcoin’s shrinking block subsidy. We also discuss miners' role in stabilising power grids and the contentious debate over Bitcoin fees. Tune in to understand the future of mining and what happens when the last Bitcoin is mined.Chapters00:00 Introduction02:41 Nick’s Journey From Dirt Biking to Bitcoin Mining08:01 The Evolution of Luxor Mining and Its Services09:22 Understanding the Crypto Market and AI's Impact12:00 Transitioning from Hardware to Software in Mining13:21 Hashrate vs. Price: Understanding Bitcoin Economics17:46 How Electricity Costs Rule Mining Operations20:31 The Mining Hamster Wheel: Upgrading Equipment and Supply Chains22:47 Evolution of Mining Technology and Efficiency24:03 Energy Costs and Mining Profitability27:16 Hashrate Futures and Market Dynamics33:49 The Role of Renewable Energy in Bitcoin Mining40:09 Innovations in Block Construction and Mining Risks43:29 Future of Bitcoin Fees and Emission Concerns This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.decentralised.co
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Jan 30, 2025 • 46min

Ep 31 - Web3 Marketing Playbook with Phin from Abstract

Web3 marketing has a retention problem. Too many projects chase mindshare, but few know how to build communities that last. In this episode, Phin, lead marketer at Abstract, shares his journey from Web2 to Web3 and unpacks why most crypto marketing playbooks are fundamentally flawed.We explore why engagement farming isn’t enough, why crypto products should compete in the mainstream, and how Abstract is rethinking consumer crypto by making Web3 seamless.If you’re a founder or marketer looking to cut through the noise and build something real, this episode is for you.Chapters:00:00 Introduction 02:47 The Evolution of Abstract and L2 Launch Decisions05:55 Comparing Ethereum and Solana: Insights and Opinions09:10 Marketing Strategies: Web2 vs Web311:58 The Future of Marketing in Web314:51 Data Privacy and User Experience in Web318:03 Session Keys and On-Chain Interactions23:56 Simplifying the Crypto Experience26:47 Reducing Onboarding Friction28:56 The Role of Price in Marketing30:35 Self-Custody and Consumer Behavior32:30 Building a Community in Crypto39:05 Abstract's Consumer-Centric Approach43:00 NFTs vs Tokens: Branding Strategies44:49 Marketing on a Budget This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.decentralised.co
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Jan 21, 2025 • 1h 5min

Ep 30- The Encrypted Supercomputer with Yannik from Arcium

In this episode, Yannik Schrade, CEO of Arcium, explains how they're building an encrypted supercomputer to bring privacy to both Web2 and Web3. We explore:• The journey from creating one of the world's most downloaded iPad apps to building privacy infrastructure• Why current privacy solutions like trusted hardware and zero-knowledge proofs aren't enough• How Arcium achieves efficient private computation through pre-computed multiplications and oblivious data structures• The future of private AI - from confidential training to trustless inference• Why privacy should be infrastructure, not a product• The path to bringing institutional players into DeFi through privacy• How Arcium could enable everything from dark pools to private gamingTimestamps -00:00 Introduction to Web3 and Privacy02:54 The Journey from Law to Crypto05:50 Building Elusive: On-Chain Transactional Privacy09:06 The Encrypted Supercomputer11:57 AI's Role in Crypto and User Experience14:51 Legacy Approach to Privacy Enhancing Technologies18:05 Zero-Knowledge Proofs and Their Limitations20:53 The Future of Privacy in DeFi and Healthcare23:47 Secure Multi-Party Computation: A New Paradigm27:12 Confidential Computing and Trust Models32:32 Transforming Encrypted Data into Random Values34:27 Understanding Arcium's Position in the Tech Stack36:54 Arcium as an Encrypted Supercomputer38:52 Efficiency of Secure Multi-Party Computation41:47 Flexibility and Oblivious Data Structures in MPC44:11 Selective Disclosure and Composability in Confidential Computing46:03 Arcium's Autonomous Network and Accountability Protocols49:55 AI Agents and Trust in Decision-Making52:45 Responsible AI and Explainability56:48 Market Landscape and Use Cases for Arcium This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.decentralised.co
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Jan 8, 2025 • 53min

Ep 29 - Kyle Samani on Why Bitcoin as Digital Gold Might Be a Myth

Kyle Samani, Managing Partner at Multicoin Capital and a prominent voice in the crypto space, shares his contrarian views on Bitcoin's reputation as 'digital gold.' He argues this analogy could be hindering crypto's potential. The discussion spans the evolution of Multicoin, their pivot away from Bitcoin and Ethereum, and the importance of utility in digital assets. Samani also tackles the dynamics of institutional adoption and how understanding market trends can uncover lucrative investment opportunities within blockchain ecosystems.
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Dec 17, 2024 • 1h 15min

Ep 28- From Mixing Music to Teaching Computers to Trade

Discover how a journey from NYC's music scene led to the creation of an AI-driven investment platform. Hear about the hilariously absurd AI persona, DGN Spartan, critiquing meme coin culture. Learn how the speaker aims to democratize investments and innovate trading strategies using AI. Explore groundbreaking frameworks that revolutionize social media interactions and streamline coding for everyone. Finally, delve into the future of AI agents and their potential to reshape trust and engagement in the market.

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