

TOPcast: The Teaching Online Podcast
Thomas Cavanagh & Kelvin Thompson
Hosted by Thomas Cavanagh and Kelvin Thompson, the Teaching Online Podcast (TOPcast) takes a fun and informative look at the various trends, best practices and technologies in the realm of online education.
Episodes
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Jul 21, 2025 • 40min
Episode 190: “When Will Online Learning Stop Growing?” (Plus More Market Insights!)
Guest market analyst Dr. Glenda Morgan joins hosts Kelvin and Tom to share a concentrated distillation of wise insights on online enrollment growth, student success online, and much more.
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Dr. Glenda Morgan
Episode 190 Show Notes:
Episode Synopsis via Twitter
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Coffee Links
Single-Origin Colombia Chaparral, Tolima (“Red Condor”) from Black Gold Coffee Roasters (Venice, FL)
Content Links
Info and Question Contribution: “Last Call at the TOPcast Cafe” Plenary Panel (OLC Accelerate 2025)
Dr. Glenda Morgan’s Online Profile
[On Apple Podcasts] Online Education Across the Atlantic Podcast (co-hosted by Dr. Morgan)
OnEdTech Newsletter from Phil Hill & Associates
[From 99% Invisible Podcast] Episode #621 “Secret Mall Apartment” (including re-release of previous episode on the evolution/decline of US shopping malls – “Meet Me at the Fountain”)
Previous TOPcast Episodes Referenced
#174: “Get ‘All [Phil]’d Up’ On LMS/Online Enrollment Insights” (with guest Phil Hill)
#140: “Maturing the Core Work of Online Education” (with guest Neil Mosley)
#182: “When is “Good Teaching” Just ‘Good Teaching?’” (with guest Dr. Tom Tobin)
#156: “Reframing the Data That Tell the Stories About Online Students” (with guest Dr. Carmin Chan)
Just-for-Fun Pop Culture Links
[On Wikipedia] Jurassic World Rebirth
Extra Special Feature
Video Version of This Episode!

Jul 7, 2025 • 33min
Episode 189: “We Have a Problem” with Many of Our Incoming Students
Hosts Kelvin and Tom examine recent trend data on the academic readiness and unique challenges of current K12 students who will be college students soon. Digital learning professionals can bring our strengths to the table to partner with other colleagues in better supporting these learners.
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Episode 189 Show Notes:
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Coffee Links
Panoramic Blend from Excelsior Coffee (San Francisco, CA)
Fellow’s Take On Excelsior Panoramic | Brew Recipe
Content Links
[Blog Post/White Paper from Ruffalo Noel Levitz] “TWO Demographic Cliffs? How and Why to Diversify Revenue Streams” (2024)
[Report from Center for Democracy and Technology] “Out of Step: Students, Teachers in Stride with EdTech Threats While Parents Are Left Behind” (2025)
[AASCU/EAB FREE Webinar Recording] “Bridging Student Readiness Gaps: A Call to Action for Institutional Preparedness” (June 2025)
Research Study: “A Cross-Institutional Study of Instructional Characteristics and Student Outcomes: Are Quality Indicators of Online Courses Able to Predict Student Success?” (Joosten & Cusatis, 2019)
Research Review: “Educational Technologies and Their Impact on Student Success for Racial and Ethnic Groups of Interest” (Joosten et al., 2021)
Previous TOPcast Episodes Mentioned in This Episode
#98: “‘I Don’t Ever Want To Do [Online] Again’!” (with guest Ryan Rogers)
# 166: “High Structure Course Design for Online STEM Courses” ( with guest Dr. Justin Shaffer)
All the Previous Student-Related TOPcast Episodes
Kelvin’s Not-Quite-A-Newsletter, The Lift – insights and inspiration for academic innovation, digital learning, and leading (plus coffee tips!)
Just for Fun Pop Culture Links
The Monorail Mug from #KelvinsCupCollection of Annotated Photos on Twitter
The Monorail Safety Spiel and Music from Disney’s Magic Kingdom on SoundCloud
Extra Special Feature
Video Version of This Episode!

Jun 16, 2025 • 33min
Episode 188: How Do You Do It? Leading Strategy and Practice in Online Education
Return guest Dr. Jocelyn Widmer joins hosts Kelvin and Tom to discuss a brand new book focused on leading the strategy and practice of online higher education and clarifying the role of the Chief Online Learning Officer (COLO).
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Return guest Dr. Jocelyn Widmer
Episode 188 Show Notes:
Episode Synopsis via Twitter
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Coffee Links
[From Wake Up Coffee] “10 Reasons Why Your Office Coffee Tastes Terrible”
Content Links
Dr. Jocelyn Widmer’s Online Profile
[Publisher’s Website] The Chief Online Learning Officers’ Guidebook: A Framework for Strategy and Practice in Higher Education (Widmer and Cavanagh, 2025)
[Discount Code!] Use this code on the publisher’s website (above) through July 31, 2025 to receive a 20% discount off the list price of the Widmer and Cavanagh COLO book: 25SMA2
TOPcast Episode #126: “COLOs, Context, and Community” (featuring Dr. Jocelyn Widmer)
Extra Special Feature
Video Version of This Episode!

Jun 2, 2025 • 31min
Episode 187: The TOPcast “Core Audience” and Strategic Online Education
Hosts Kelvin and Tom speak about (and to) the “core audience” of online faculty, instructional designers, and administrative leaders, alongside many other roles, to unpack the podcast’s conceptualization of online education as centered on optimizing course design and teaching.
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Episode 187 Show Notes:
Episode Synopsis via Twitter
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Coffee Links
“Longest ‘94” House Blend from Heine Brothers Coffee (Louisville, KY)
Content Links
All TOPcast Episodes Tagged “faculty”
All TOPcast Episodes Tagged “instructional designers”
All TOPcast Episodes Tagged “leadership”
Specific Prior TOPcast Episodes Mentioned in this Episode
#25 – “But FIRRST… Lead Innovation”
#37 – “6 Deadly Sins of Online Teaching”
#72 – “Pro Tips on Vocal Care for Faculty”
#99 – “The Importance of ‘Faculty Voice and Faculty Valuing’ in Online Education”
#105 – “How Roasted is Your Course?”
#122 – “More Equitable Outcomes Through Instructional Design”
#167 – “Cultivating a Startup Mindset”
Extra Special Feature
Video Version of This Episode!

May 19, 2025 • 31min
Episode 186: Expert Tips for Online Program Marketing and Enrollment
Return guest Dr. Sasha Thackaberry-Voinovich joins hosts Kelvin and Tom to share hard won expert tips on improving online program marketing and enrollment.
Podcast Recording
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Return guest Dr. Sasha Thackaberry-Voinovich
Episode 186 Show Notes:
Episode Synopsis via Twitter
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Coffee Links
Single-Origin Peru San Fernando from Wonderstate Coffee
Wonderstate Coffee
Fellow Drops Coffee Connection Service
Content Links
Dr. Sasha Thackaberry-Voinovich’s Online Profile
[Book] How to Grow Enrollment in Online Higher Education: Strategies for Marketing and Recruitment (Thackaberry-Voinovich, 2025)
[Company] SkillsWave
[Article from Ruffalo Noel Levitz] “Digital Marketing at Every Stage of the Enrollment Funnel”
[Article from Niche] “How to Tackle Summer Melt (5 Effective Ways)”
Related Past TOPcast Episode: “Managing Change and Growth in Online Initiatives” (with guest Dr. Sasha Thackaberry)
Extra Special Feature
Video Version of This Episode!

May 5, 2025 • 33min
Episode 185: What Do the Top 10 TOPcast Episodes Tell Us?
With ten years in the rear view mirror, hosts Tom and Kelvin talk through insights gained about the field of online education and the podcast itself after they reviewed the “Top10” episodes of TOPcast. [Spoiler: Tune in for a big announcement!]
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Episode 185 Show Notes:
Episode Synopsis via Twitter
View complete list of episode highlights via Twitter
Coffee Links
Single-origin Guatemala from Heine Brothers Coffee (Louisville, KY)
Content Links
Full List of “Top 10” TOPcast Episodes
Other TOPcast Episodes Referenced in This Episode
Episode #183: “No Lemmings! Avoid the Enrollment Cliff with a Values-Driven Strategy“
Episode #134: “Self-Care and Online Education: Saying Yes, Saying No, and Why” (with guest Dr. Dylan Barth, related to knowing when to stop)
All 11(!) TOPcast Season Kick-Off Episodes
[Book] Quit: The Power of Knowing When to Walk Away (Duke, 2022)
[From UCF] “Teaching and Learning with AI Conference”
[Book] The Chief Online Learning Officers’ Guidebook: A Framework for Strategy and Practice in Higher Education (Widmer and Cavanagh, 2025)
[From UofL] “AI Ate My Homework” Podcast
The Lift, Insights and inspiration for academic innovation, digital learning, and leading
[On LinkedIn] Not-Quite-A-Newsletter Version
[On Soundcloud] Audio Edition
Just-for-Fun Pop Culture Link
[From Biography] “Did Yoko Ono Break Up the Beatles?”
Extra Special Feature
Video Version of This Episode!

Apr 21, 2025 • 31min
Episode 184: The Digital Learning Value of 1EdTech “Decomplexified”
Curtiss Barnes, CEO of the 1EdTech Consortium with over 30 years in education, drops by for an insightful conversation. He highlights the rebranding journey from IMS Global to 1EdTech, focusing on the importance of collaboration in shaping educational standards. The discussion also touches on the impact of data privacy in technology and the value of membership for higher education institutions. Barnes emphasizes how simplified mission and trusted apps can enhance digital learning, paving the way for innovation and improved credentialing.

Apr 7, 2025 • 28min
Episode 183: No Lemmings! Avoid the Enrollment Cliff with a Values-Driven Strategy
Hosts delve into how institutions can avoid the looming enrollment cliff by adopting a values-driven strategy. They reflect on the tension between in-person and online education, showcasing different institutional responses. Anecdotes emphasize the power of aligning personal passions with core values. The conversation highlights the need for intentional strategies to address demographic shifts and evolving educational trends, urging colleges to cater to diverse learners while staying mission-focused.

Mar 17, 2025 • 32min
Episode 182: When is “Good Teaching” Just “Good Teaching?”
Guest Dr. Thomas J. (Tom) Tobin joins hosts Tom and Kelvin for a slightly spicy conversation about the extent to which general teaching behaviors can be meaningfully separated from other factors such as course modality, student characteristics, institutional resources, and more.
Podcast Recording
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Dr. Thomas J. (Tom) Tobin
Episode 182 Show Notes:
Episode Synopsis via Twitter
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Coffee Links
“Office Coffee: How It Works” [From Moustache Coffee Club. No relation.]
Content Links
Dr. Thomas J. Tobin’s Website
[Book] Evaluating Online Teaching (co-written by Dr. Tobin)
[From Higher Ed Dive] “Ed Department changes reporting requirements for online colleges” (January 2025)
[From Wikipedia] History of the “Loyal Opposition”
[OLC Innovate 2022 Keynote Plenary] “Let’s Not Romanticize 2019 for Online Learning” (Hill and Moreau. edited transcript and video on OnEdTech blog)
[From EDUCAUSE’s Game Changers ebook] “The Postmodality Era: How Online Learning Is Becoming Learning” (Cavanagh, 2012)
TOPcast Episode #177 “Creating the Digital Learning Future Our Students Deserve” (featuring cameo by Dr. Tobin)
TOPcast Episode #160 “‘Remember the Why:’ Designing Meaningful Learning Assignments” (with guest Dr. Jean Mandernach)
TOPcast Episode #127 “Community Wisdom: Students, Hybridity, and More!” (including “call-in” comment by Dr. Tobin)
Extra Special Feature
Video Version of This Episode!

Mar 3, 2025 • 32min
Episode 181: Help in Grasping “Good Online Course”
Hosts Kelvin and Tom discuss the challenge, still present after 30 years, of helping others (e.g., policymakers, potential students, etc.) understand what a “good online course” is without experiencing one themselves. They discuss why this still matters and what approaches might help.
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Episode 181 Show Notes:
Episode Synopsis via Twitter
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Coffee Links
Single-Origin Costa Rica – “Finca Ines San Roque” – from Loquat Coffee (Los Angeles, CA)
[From Wikipedia] Background on National “Cup of Excellence” Coffee Competitions
Content Links
[Article with embedded video] “Bill Gates on What Sets UCF Apart:The philanthropist and Microsoft founder described UCF as a pioneer in digital learning.”
[From UCF] “Knights Online” Video Series for Prospective Students
[7-minute video] “Webcourses@UCF [LMS] Student Tour”
[From UCF’s “Quality Review Showcase”] Example of Aligning Course Excerpts with Online Course Quality Standards (“Introduce Course Modules”)
An Example Written “Portrayal,” Telling the Story of an Online Course (from Kelvin’s Dissertation)
Overview of Kelvin’s Dissertation (Constructing Educational Criticism of Online Courses: A Model for Implementation by Practitioners)
A Remembrance of UCF Colleague Dr. Barbara Truman
All the Past TOPcast Episodes Tagged with “Quality”
Just-for-Fun Pop Culture Link
“Whitman’s Sampler” of Chocolates
Extra Special Feature
Video Version of This Episode!