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Pioneer Institute
“The Learning Curve” is where you’ll find straight talk about the nation’s hottest education stories - news and opinion from the schoolyard to the 2020 campaign trail. Co-hosts Gerard Robinson and Cara Candal serve up provocative commentary on the issues that impact parents and kids, teachers and students, political leaders, policymakers and taxpayers all across the country. “The Learning Curve” features school leaders, innovators, bestselling authors, policymakers and more on how we’ll use education to prepare the next generation of Americans. Follow The Learning Curve on Send any suggestions, tips, and fan mail to micaela@pioneerinstitute.org.Listen to all episodes of The Learning Curve at Ricochet.com.
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Jan 29, 2025 • 41min
Notre Dame Law Assoc. Dean Nicole Stelle Garnett on Catholic Schools & School Choice
In this episode of The Learning Curve, co-hosts U-Arkansas Prof. Albert Cheng and Alisha Searcy interview Nicole Stelle Garnett, Associate Dean and John P. Murphy Foundation Professor of Law at Notre Dame Law School, and a national expert in education law and school choice. Dean Garnett discusses the vital role Catholic education plays in fostering faith, community, and the pursuit of “the true, the good, and the beautiful.” She explores the challenges posed by the decline of Catholic schools in urban areas, as outlined in her book Lost Classroom, Lost Community: Catholic Schools' Importance in Urban America, and highlights policy solutions such as expanding educational choice options to support Catholic school families. She delves into recent landmark U.S. Supreme Court decisions, including Espinoza v. Montana Department of Revenue and Carson v. Makin, which undermined the legal barriers to school choice, like Blaine Amendments, while strengthening religious liberty in K-12 schooling. Dean Garnett also examines the growth of private school choice programs, education savings accounts, and education tax credits across the U.S., and offers insights into upcoming legal challenges as the opponents of school choice and religious education strategize to push back.

Jan 27, 2025 • 52min
Alexandra Popoff on Vasily Grossman & Holocaust Remembrance
In this special Holocaust Remembrance Day episode of The Learning Curve, co-hosts U-Arkansas Prof. Albert Cheng and the Heritage Foundation's Jason Bedrick interview Alexandra Popoff, a former Moscow journalist and acclaimed biographer. Ms. Popoff delves into the life and legacy of Vasily Grossman, a 20th-century Jewish Soviet writer and journalist. She explores Grossman's transition from chemical engineering to writing, influenced by his Jewish heritage and the historical context of the time. Popoff discusses Grossman's role as a war correspondent for the Red Army newspaper, covering key WWII battles and providing early reports on Nazi death camps, including Treblinka. She highlights his 1944 piece, "The Hell of Treblinka," which was used as evidence in the Nuremberg Trials. Popoff also examines Grossman's major literary works, including Stalingrad and Life and Fate, which were censored and "arrested" by the Soviet government for their anti-totalitarian content. She reflects on Grossman's historic contributions to Holocaust literature and the lessons his writings offer on the political nature of Nazism and Soviet communism. In closing, she reads a passage from her book, Vasily Grossman and the Soviet Century.

Jan 17, 2025 • 52min
Stanford's Lerone Martin on the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. & the Civil Rights Movement
In this special MLK Day episode of The Learning Curve, co-hosts Alisha Searcy and U-Arkansas Prof. Albert Cheng interview Prof. Lerone Martin, Martin Luther King, Jr. Centennial Professor at Stanford University and Director of the MLK Research and Education Institute. Dr. Martin offers deep insights into the life and legacy of Dr. King. He explores MLK’s role as a spiritual and political leader, advocating for nonviolent protest and “soul force.” Prof. Martin discusses the dynamic between Dr. King, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), and figures like Bob Moses and Fannie Lou Hamer. He highlights how MLK's understanding of history, literature, poetry, and hymns influenced his iconic speeches, including the famous “I Have a Dream” address. Dr. Martin then delves into MLK's struggles in Birmingham, the challenges he faced from FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, and his "Mountaintop" speech before his assassination. Prof. Martin also examines the Civil Rights Movement’s impact on both Southern and Northern cities and its place in contemporary education, urging policymakers, schools, and parents to learn from MLK’s teachings.

Jan 15, 2025 • 38min
ExcelinEd's Dr. Kymyona Burk on Mississippi, Early Literacy, & Reading Science
This week on The Learning Curve, co-hosts Alisha Searcy and U-Arkansas Prof. Albert Cheng interview Dr. Kymyona Burk, Senior Policy Fellow at ExcelinEd and former state literacy director for Mississippi. Dr. Burk shares insights from her remarkable career in K-12 education reform. She discusses her journey from classroom teacher to leading transformative literacy initiatives in Mississippi that resulted in groundbreaking improvements in early literacy and NAEP reading scores. She examines the strengths and weaknesses of teaching approaches like “whole language” and phonics and emphasizes the importance of early childhood education, leadership, and high-quality reading materials in fostering young readers. Reflecting on Mississippi’s successes and the broader national learning loss exacerbated by COVID-19, Dr. Burk offers actionable advice for state policymakers to help students recover and thrive with the science of reading.

Jan 8, 2025 • 39min
Harvard's Leo Damrosch on Alexis de Tocqueville & Democracy in America
This week on The Learning Curve, co-hosts Alisha Searcy of DFER and U-Arkansas Prof. Albert Cheng interview Leo Damrosch, the Ernest Bernbaum Professor of Literature Emeritus at Harvard University and author of Tocqueville’s Discovery of America. Prof. Damrosch delves into Alexis de Tocqueville’s historic nine-month journey through the United States in 1831–1832, which inspired his masterpiece, Democracy in America. He explores Tocqueville’s observations on American democracy, civic individualism, materialism, and the rule of law, contrasting them with European political institutions. Prof. Damrosch highlights Tocqueville’s impressions of influential political figures like Andrew Jackson and John Quincy Adams, his prescient views on slavery’s moral and political impact, and his critiques of American materialism and inequality. He also sheds light on Tocqueville’s insights into education’s role in fostering self-government and democracy, as well as his enduring legacy as a thinker whose analysis of democracy resonates across political divides. Throughout the interview Damrosch offers his profound understanding of Tocqueville’s relevance to contemporary debates on equality, governance, and democratic ideals. In closing, he reads a passage from Tocqueville's writings.

Dec 18, 2024 • 51min
UK’s John Suchet, OBE, on Tchaikovsky, The Nutcracker, & Ballets
This week on The Learning Curve, co-hosts U-Arkansas Prof. Albert Cheng and Dr. Jocelyn Chadwick interview distinguished British television journalist, author, and Classic FM presenter, John Suchet, OBE. Mr. Suchet explores the life and legacy of Pyotr Tchaikovsky, one of Russia's greatest composers. He shares insights into Tchaikovsky’s upbringing, his late start in composing, and the emotional challenges that shaped his career and music. Suchet discusses Tchaikovsky's struggles with self-doubt, harsh critics, and a turbulent personal life, which influenced his famous works. He highlights Tchaikovsky's enduring masterpieces, including The 1812 Overture, The Nutcracker, Swan Lake, and The Sleeping Beauty, examining his genius for melody, orchestral “color,” and exploring international inspirations. Suchet also reflects on the immense contemporary cultural and financial success of The Nutcracker and Tchaikovsky’s other ballets, which captivate audiences worldwide. Closing the discussion, Suchet celebrates Tchaikovsky’s unparalleled ability to create music that remains timeless, magical, and universally beloved, establishing his place as a cornerstone of the classical music repertoire. In doing so, he reads a passage from his book, Tchaikovsky: The Man Revealed.

Dec 11, 2024 • 51min
U-OK’s Dan Hamlin on Emerging School Models & Learning Loss
This week on The Learning Curve, co-hosts Alisha Searcy of DFER and U-Arkansas Prof. Albert Cheng interview Dan Hamlin, an Associate Professor in the Department of Educational Leadership and Policy Studies at the University of Oklahoma. Prof. Hamlin offers his insights on the state of K-12 education policy and reform. He shares how his academic experiences and research shaped his philosophy on education and informed his work with Harvard PEPG’s “Emerging School Models” conference. Hamlin also analyzes the pandemic's impact on education, including the rise of school choice options like ESAs, microschools, and pods. He highlights findings from his Pioneer white paper, From Crisis to Opportunity: Post-Pandemic Academic Growth in Massachusetts, and offers policy recommendations for addressing learning loss, including effective use of ESSER funds. Prof. Hamlin also delves into his research on high-dosage tutoring models, emphasizing their potential to improve academic outcomes and close opportunity gaps, and advocates for data-driven approaches to K-12 education reform.

Dec 4, 2024 • 44min
NYT #1 Bestseller Dava Sobel on Marie Curie & Women in Science
This week on The Learning Curve, co-hosts Alisha Searcy of DFER and U-Arkansas Prof. Albert Cheng interview Dava Sobel, acclaimed author of The Elements of Marie Curie: How the Glow of Radium Lit a Path for Women in Science. Sobel delves into the life of Marie Curie, the “scientific Joan of Arc,” exploring her extraordinary journey from clandestine education in Tsarist-controlled Poland to becoming the first woman to win two Nobel Prizes in different scientific disciplines. She highlights Madame Curie's groundbreaking discoveries of radium and polonium, with her husband Pierre Curie, and her pioneering work in radioactivity. Sobel also examines Marie Curie’s role as a mentor to women scientists, her wartime contributions with mobile X-ray units, and her enduring legacy as a trailblazer for women in STEM. Through Madame Curie’s story, Ms. Sobel reflects on the power of scientific curiosity and its profound societal impact. In closing, Sobel reads a passage from her book, The Elements of Marie Curie: How the Glow of Radium Lit a Path for Women in Science.

Nov 27, 2024 • 35min
Becket Fund’s Eric Rassbach on Loffman v. CA DOE, Religious Liberty, & Schooling
This week on The Learning Curve, co-hosts Alisha Searcy of DFER and U-Arkansas Prof. Albert Cheng interview Eric Rassbach, Vice President and Senior Counsel at the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty. Mr. Rassbach discusses the Loffman v. California Department of Education case, where Becket successfully secured a unanimous Ninth Circuit decision ensuring equal access to special education funding for religious school students. He explores how California’s restrictive interpretation of the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) denied federal funds to students at private religious schools, in contrast to secular ones. He delves into the broader context of religious liberty in K-12 education, highlighting landmark SCOTUS rulings, including Trinity Lutheran, Espinoza, and Carson’s impact on the evolving legal battles reshaping states’ Blaine Amendments and school choice policies. Rassbach also examines how religious schooling and school choice initiatives can enhance student achievement. He foresees increased litigation and legislative action bolstering educational freedom nationwide.

Nov 20, 2024 • 47min
CUNY’s Carl Rollyson on William Faulkner & Southern Literature
This week on The Learning Curve, co-hosts Alisha Searcy of DFER and U-Arkansas Prof. Albert Cheng interview Carl Rollyson, CUNY professor, and acclaimed biographer of William Faulkner. Prof. Rollyson offers an in-depth exploration of Faulkner’s life, work, and enduring legacy. He discusses Faulkner’s formative years in early 20th-century Mississippi a region still grappling with its post-Civil War identity, and his early literary influences, including mentorship by Phil Stone and encounters with literary greats like Sherwood Anderson. Rollyson delves into Faulkner’s tumultuous personal life, his complex marriage to his wife Estelle, and his writing routine at his Oxford, Mississippi, home, Rowan Oak. Rollyson examines Faulkner’s creation of Yoknapatawpha County, the setting for masterpieces such as The Sound and the Fury and Absalom, Absalom!, as well as his Hollywood years and their impact on his craft. He also explores Faulkner’s views on race and civil rights, his Nobel Prize-winning novels, and his influence on Southern literature and writers like Flannery O’Connor and Ralph Ellison. In closing, Prof. Rollyson reads a passage from his two-volume biography, The Life of William Faulkner.