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Pioneer Institute
“The Learning Curve” is where you’ll find straight talk about the nation’s hottest education stories - news and opinion from the schoolyard to the 2020 campaign trail. Co-hosts Gerard Robinson and Cara Candal serve up provocative commentary on the issues that impact parents and kids, teachers and students, political leaders, policymakers and taxpayers all across the country. “The Learning Curve” features school leaders, innovators, bestselling authors, policymakers and more on how we’ll use education to prepare the next generation of Americans. Follow The Learning Curve on Send any suggestions, tips, and fan mail to micaela@pioneerinstitute.org.Listen to all episodes of The Learning Curve at Ricochet.com.
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Apr 2, 2025 • 52min
Hoover's Dr. James Lynn Woodworth on CREDO, NCES, & Data-Driven Policy
In this episode of The Learning Curve, co-hosts Alisha Searcy and U-Arkansas Prof. Albert Cheng interview Dr. James Lynn Woodworth, research fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University and former commissioner of the National Center for Education Statistics (NCES). Dr. Woodworth discusses the role of data in shaping K-12 education policy. He explores the impact of assessments like NAEP, PISA, and TIMSS on global education trends, the challenges of declining U.S. student performance, and the uncertain effectiveness of federal K-12 spending. Dr. Woodworth also shares insights from his work at the Center for Research on Educational Outcomes (CREDO) on charter school results and the importance of data-driven policymaking in urban school districts. Finally, he highlights key education research priorities at Hoover and strategies for addressing achievement gaps nationwide.

Mar 26, 2025 • 53min
UK's Dr. Paula Byrne on Jane Austen's 250th Anniversary
In this episode of The Learning Curve, co-hosts Alisha Searcy and Helen Baxendale celebrate the 250th anniversary of Jane Austen’s birth with Dr. Paula Byrne, Lady Bate, a distinguished biographer and literary critic. Dr. Byrne explores the key influences that shaped Austen’s life, the major themes of her novels, and the enduring relevance of heroines like Elizabeth Bennet and Elinor Dashwood. She also shares insights from her books The Real Jane Austen and The Genius of Jane Austen, shedding light on Austen’s love of theater and the lasting appeal of her works in Hollywood. She offers a deeper appreciation of Austen’s literary brilliance and her impact on literature and culture as we celebrate Women’s History Month. In closing, Dr. Byrne reads a passage from her book, The Real Jane Austen: A Life in Small Things.

Mar 19, 2025 • 38min
EdChoice's Robert Enlow on School Choice
In this episode of The Learning Curve, co-hosts U-Arkansas Prof. Albert Cheng and Alisha Searcy interview Robert Enlow, president and CEO of EdChoice. Mr. Enlow discusses his decades of leadership in school choice advocacy, from his early work with the Milton and Rose Friedman Foundation to spearheading policy reforms nationwide. He examines the persistent stagnation in U.S. K-12 education despite massive funding and highlights the rapid expansion of charter schools and education savings accounts (ESAs). Enlow also reflects on the legal victories school choice achieved in the U.S. Supreme Court’s Espinoza and Carson rulings, the rise of microschools and homeschooling post-COVID, and the evolving coalitions shaping school choice. Additionally, he previews upcoming legal and political battles as opponents push back against further reforms.

Mar 12, 2025 • 40min
Frontier Institute's Trish Schreiber on School Choice & Charter Schools in Montana
In this episode of The Learning Curve, co-hosts U-Arkansas Prof. Albert Cheng and Alisha Searcy interview Trish Schreiber, senior fellow in education at the Frontier Institute in Montana. Schreiber shares her journey from Silicon Valley to Montana and her passion for expanding educational opportunities. She discusses the impact of the United States Supreme Court’s ruling in Espinoza v. Montana Department of Revenue, the state's growing education tax credit program, and the recent passage of Montana’s charter school law. Ms. Schreiber also examines challenges posed by entrenched special interests in K-12 education and highlights key resources that inform her work in advancing school choice and education reform.

Mar 5, 2025 • 51min
UK Oxford's Robin Lane Fox on Homer & The Iliad
In this week’s episode of The Learning Curve, co-hosts Alisha Searcy and Dr. Helen Baxendale interview Robin Lane Fox, distinguished classicist and Emeritus Fellow at Oxford. Prof. Lane Fox offers profound insights into Homer’s Iliad and its enduring significance. He explores the epic’s historical and literary context, from its roots in oral tradition to its lasting influence on Western culture. Additionally, he discusses key figures like Achilles, Hector, and Helen, the interplay between mortals and gods, and pivotal moments such as Patroclus’s death and Hector’s farewell. Lane Fox also examines the Iliad’s connection to the Odyssey and its timeless themes of heroism, fate, and war, making a compelling case for its relevance today. In closing, he reads a passage from the end of the Iliad.

Feb 26, 2025 • 51min
Director/Actor Samuel Lee Fudge on Marcus Garvey & Pan-Africanism
In this week’s episode of The Learning Curve, co-hosts Alisha Searcy and Walter Blanks interview Samuel Lee Fudge, the acclaimed actor, writer, and director behind Mosiah, the first narrative film about Marcus Garvey. Fudge discusses his background, education, and creative journey in bringing Garvey’s legacy to the screen. He explores Garvey’s leadership, the Black Star Line, and his ideological clashes with figures like W.E.B. Du Bois. Mr. Fudge delves into the film’s research, production choices, and the challenges of portraying early 20th-century racial struggles. He also reflects on Garvey’s enduring influence on Black nationalism and civil rights, including his posthumous 2025 pardon by President Joe Biden.

Feb 19, 2025 • 55min
Cornell's Margaret Washington on Sojourner Truth, Abolitionism, & Women's Rights
In this week’s episode of The Learning Curve, co-hosts U-Arkansas Prof. Albert Cheng and Alisha Searcy interview Margaret Washington, the esteemed historian and author of Sojourner Truth’s America. Prof. Washington delves into Truth’s remarkable life, from her early years in slavery in New York to her transformation into a powerful abolitionist, women’s rights advocate, and religiously driven reformer. She explores Northern slavery, the Second Great Awakening, her famous “Ain’t I a Woman?” speech, and her Civil War-era activism. Prof. Washington also reflects on Truth’s enduring legacy as a symbol of justice, equality, and resilience in American history. In closing, Prof. Washington reads a passage from her book, Sojourner Truth’s America.

Feb 14, 2025 • 48min
UK Oxford & ASU's Sir Jonathan Bate on Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet & Love
In this special St. Valentine's Day episode of The Learning Curve, co-hosts U-Arkansas Prof. Albert Cheng and Alisha Searcy interview renowned Shakespeare scholar Professor Sir Jonathan Bate to discuss the timeless tragedy, Romeo and Juliet. Exploring its enduring greatness, Sir Jonathan delves into Shakespeare’s classical influences, particularly Ovid’s Metamorphoses, and how Elizabethan literature shaped the portrayal of lovers. He examines the interplay of passion, violence, and fate in Verona’s warring streets and explains Romeo and Juliet’s eternal love—from Romeo’s early infatuation with Rosaline to his deep romantic connection with Juliet. Sir Jonathan highlights the poetic brilliance and intimacy of the famous window scene, Mercutio’s pivotal role in shifting the play’s tone, and the tragic consequences of miscommunication and hasty action. He also reflects on Shakespeare’s overarching themes of love and death, and the poetic depth of his love sonnets. Additionally, he shares insights into what Romeo and Juliet and Shakespeare’s works teach us about the enduring human desire for love. In closing, Sir Jonathan reads a passage from his book Mad about Shakespeare: From Classroom to Theatre to Emergency Room.

Feb 12, 2025 • 43min
Steven Wilson on The Lost Decade: Returning to the Fight for Better Schools in America
In this episode of The Learning Curve, co-hosts U-Arkansas Prof. Albert Cheng and Alisha Searcy interview Steven Wilson, a senior fellow at Pioneer Institute and a leading voice in education reform. Mr. Wilson discusses his journey into K-12 education policy, reflecting on his early work with Gov. Bill Weld and the landmark 1993 Massachusetts Education Reform Act (MERA), which helped propel the state’s schools to national and international success. Steven highlights the contributions of Linda Brown and Building Excellent Schools in fostering high-performing charter leaders and networks and addresses the political and curricular challenges charters face today. Wilson also examines the academic stagnation that continued with the 2024 NAEP results, linking it to the adoption of Common Core and broader shifts in education policy. He explores the intersection of K-12 curricula with race- and class-based politics and discusses themes from his upcoming book, The Lost Decade. He continues by discussing policy recommendations, calling for a renewed focus on rigorous academics to close achievement gaps and restore excellence and equality of opportunity in American education. In closing, Wilson reads a passage from his new book The Lost Decade.

Feb 5, 2025 • 55min
U-Pitt.'s Marcus Rediker on Amistad Slave Rebellion & Black History Month
In this episode of The Learning Curve, co-hosts U-Arkansas Prof. Albert Cheng and Alisha Searcy interview historian Marcus Rediker, Distinguished Professor of Atlantic History at the University of Pittsburgh and author of The Amistad Rebellion. Prof. Rediker explores the 1839 slave revolt aboard the schooner La Amistad. He recounts the leadership of Sengbe Pieh (Joseph Cinqué) and the wider history and human toll of the transatlantic slave trade. Prof. Rediker details the Amistad Africans’ journey from Sierra Leone to Havana’s barracoons, their rebellion at sea, and their capture off Long Island. He examines the legal battle, from their defense by abolitionists to American statesman John Quincy Adams' stirring legal argument before the U.S. Supreme Court, which helped secure their freedom. Prof. Rediker highlights the Amistad SCOTUS case’s impact on the abolitionist movement and the fate of Cinqué and his comrades upon returning to West Africa. He discusses how the Amistad revolt should be remembered and taught, ensuring that this extraordinary story of resistance and justice remains a vital part of our historical consciousness. In closing, Prof. Rediker reads a passage from his book The Amistad Rebellion.