
Triple Win Property Management
The Triple Win Property Management podcast by Second Nature uncovers new ways single-family property managers can create and monetize value for their company while transforming relationships with their investors, residents, and teams. Episodes feature industry professionals, global thought leaders, and the inspiring conversations that move the industry forward. Now you can join thousands of property management leaders who are tuning in and talking about leveling up together.
Latest episodes

Sep 9, 2021 • 42min
PMLX 2021: Exclusive Interview with Chris Voss, CEO & Founder of The Black Swan Group, Author of Never Split The Difference, Former FBI Hostage Negotiator
In this episode, we are joined by THE master negotiator, author, and founder of the Black Swan Group - Chris Voss. He’s the former lead crisis negotiator for the NY City division of the FBI and was the lead international kidnapping negotiator for the FBI. He’s also taught business negotiation at USC, Georgetown, and Harvard Business Schools.
We hope you enjoy this recording from PMLX 2021.
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Aug 26, 2021 • 48min
Deep Dive Conversation with Peter Lohmann of RL Property Management
Have you ever thought about how the everyday processes of your PMC could be improved and streamlined? Or how to keep good, qualified employees on the payroll?
This Deep Dive episode features Peter Lohmann, the Founder & CEO of RL Property Management. We learn how Peter’s background in engineering helps him be a more efficient property manager, and how he’s tackling his own employee staffing shortages and reducing turnover. Peter also shares his take on the paradigm of fee maxing, how property management is evolving, and why he thinks SFR property managers need to keep a close eye on Airbnb and Zillow.
To learn more about Peter, visit his website at www.peterlohmann.com
You can also listen to his podcast, “Owner Occupied,” on various podcast platforms.
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Aug 17, 2021 • 59min
Bonus: PMLX 2020 Future of Property Management Panel
One of our highest-rated discussions from PMLX 2020 was the Future of Property Management Panel. Andrew Smallwood spoke with some of our all-time favorite industry-leading executives: Jennifer Stoops (Executive VP of Park Avenue Properties), Doug Brien (CEO and Co-Founder at Mynd Property Management), and Andrew Propst (CEO at HomeRiver Group). In this episode, you’ll learn all about how automation is at the forefront of the SFR PM industry, what it means to be an indispensable investment partner, and so many “a-ha!” moments that might just change the way you operate your PMC.
Want to take part in other industry-leading conversations like this one? There’s still time to register for this year’s PMLX on August 24, 2021. http://pm-xchange.com
100% of proceeds from PMLX 2021 support NARPM’s Charity Meals on Wheels: https://www.narpmconvention.com/past-presidents-charity-fundraiser
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Aug 12, 2021 • 1h 3min
PMLX Bonus Masterclass with David Osborn - Entrepreneur, Real Estate Investor, and Author
Every property manager wants to build a successful, profitable business while also creating personal wealth, but many are stuck in a money trap and don't even realize it.
During this episode, Andrew talks with David Osborn, the entrepreneur, real estate investor, speaker, author, world traveler, wealth-building mentor, and proud father. Listen as David shares his personal goal-setting exercises, life experiences, and philosophy aimed to help you grow your wealth and create an exciting financial future. David owns over 100 SFRs, has multiple thriving businesses, and has amassed a net worth north of $100 million.
Don’t miss out! Register for PMLX 2021 today! http://pm-xchange.com/
100% of proceeds from PMLX 2021 support NARPM’s Charity Meals on Wheels: https://www.narpmconvention.com/past-presidents-charity-fundraiser/
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Aug 10, 2021 • 37min
Fierce Conversations: Achieving Success at Work and in Life with Susan Scott, PMLX 2020 Keynote Speaker
We’re getting hyped for PMLX on August 24, 2021, and are excited to share another BONUS episode from last year’s PMLX event with Susan Scott, the bestselling author of Fierce Conversations.
Property managers have dozens of conversations every day, but are those conversations effective? Are they positively affecting your relationships? During this episode, Susan Scott breaks down what she means when she says, “the conversation IS the relationship.
Don’t miss out! Register for PMLX 2021 today! http://pm-xchange.com
100% of proceeds from PMLX 2021 support NARPM’s Charity Meals on Wheels: https://www.narpmconvention.com/past-presidents-charity-fundraiser
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Aug 3, 2021 • 41min
The Power of Different with PMLX 2020 Keynote Speaker Christopher Lochhead
If you're on the fence about signing up for PMLX on August 24th, you need to listen to this The Triple Win BONUS episode.
In 2020, our PMLX keynote speaker was "The Godfather of Category Design" Christopher Lochhead. He's got the #1 marketing podcast on iTunes, and he's the bestselling author of Play Bigger and Niche Down. Christopher took time to talk with Jon Berghoff, founder of the XCHANGE Approach, to discuss how to stand out and be different using legendary marketing.
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Jul 22, 2021 • 46min
The Triple Win Deep Dive: A Conversation with Phil Vera, CEO of Auben Realty
In this episode, Andrew talks with Phil Vera, CEO of Auben Realty. Join us as we learn about the philosophy and non-traditional ways Phil does business including the effective Pod system (hint: it’s a triple win), the different roles he has on his team, and how Auben Realty optimizes trust while building relationships with residents.
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Jul 8, 2021 • 1h 2min
PMLX Bonus Masterclass with Sue Hawkes XCHANGE Certified Practitioner & EOS Implementer
Sue Hawkes is a bestselling author, Certified EOS Implementer®, and an XCHANGE practitioner. In this episode, she shares the insight and wisdom geared toward unlocking your company's energy, wisdom, and potential by using best practices and innovative leadership that she’s shared with others for over 30 years.
Links mentioned in this episode:
https://www.sayyess.com
https://www.eosworldwide.com
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Jun 24, 2021 • 48min
The Triple Win Deep Dive: A Conversation with Matt Whitaker, CEO of Evernest
The Triple Win podcast returns with another episode full of unique insights for professional property managers. This week’s guest is Matt Whitaker, CEO of Evernest. As the CEO of a thriving PM business approaching 5,000 doors, Whitaker has lots to offer on the topics of company culture, what the future of the property management industry holds, and much more. So come for the professional insights and stay for the baseball analogies.
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Jun 10, 2021 • 1h 3min
PMX Masterclass with Jackie Stavros & Cheri Torres - Conversations Worth Having
We’re back with another transformational episode featuring Jackie Stavros & Cheri Torres, co-authors of the groundbreaking book Conversations Worth Having.
Conversations are at the heart of everything we do. They are key to effective leadership, high performing teams, and strong relationships. We all know that they influence us, but we rarely stop to think about how much they affect our well-being and our ability to thrive.
In this episode you’ll learn about generative questions, appreciative inquiry (AI), and simple practices you can use to move stuck conversations forward.
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