

Triple Win Property Management
Second Nature
The Triple Win Property Management podcast by Second Nature uncovers new ways single-family property managers can create and monetize value for their company while transforming relationships with their investors, residents, and teams. Episodes feature industry professionals, global thought leaders, and the inspiring conversations that move the industry forward. Now you can join thousands of property management leaders who are tuning in and talking about leveling up together.
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Feb 12, 2025 • 40min
The Impact of Convenience Culture
We live in a culture of convenience. When people can get lunch delivered in an hour, your groceries delivered this afternoon, and almost anything you could possibly want delivered within two days, they start to expect the same level of service everywhere. On this episode of the podcast, Dana Dunford, CEO of Hemlane, explains how residents are coming to expect more and more from their property managers, and how you can evolve your company to meet—and exceed—those expectations.
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Jan 9, 2025 • 47min
Investor Mindset with Justin Anderson
Do you approach property management with an investor mindset? In this episode, Andrew Smallwood is joined by RentSmart CEO Justin Anderson to discuss what an investor mindset means, and how it can help you create a Triple Win with investors and residents. Justin lends his expertise in single- and multi-family rentals and leans on his experience as an investor and property manager. Listen now to learn about his unique approach to resident onboarding and how it saves countless hours for his team further down the road.

Nov 14, 2024 • 36min
From Reactive to Proactive Property Management with Deb Newell
Are you just managing properties, or are you managing assets? The difference might be bigger than you think. In this episode, Andrew Smallwood is joined by industry consultant Deb Newell to tackle the complex differences between asset management and property management. Deb shares her expertise on shifting from reactive to proactive approaches, adjusting management agreements, and aligning teams to create scalable processes that benefit both property owners and residents. Tune in to hear practical advice on fostering better relationships with owners, the importance of clear expectations, and why benchmarking your business against itself, rather than others, is crucial for growth.

Oct 25, 2024 • 34min
Finding The Tech Stack Sweet Spot
You'd be surprised by how many companies inefficiently employ tech.
Kelli Segretto, property management veteran and founder of K Segretto Consulting, has helped many PMCs optimize their tech stacks. She joins Andrew Smallwood to cover the intricacies of a well-managed and optimized tech stack. Don't miss her secrets to finding the tech stack sweet spot.
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Season 4 Episode 20 features Kelli Segretto
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Oct 10, 2024 • 39min
JWB’s Success with Long-Term Leases
JWB Real Estate has used long-term leases to minimize vacancy for its investors. Melissa Gillispie joins the show to speak on the strategy behind it, why it’s worked for them, and how property managers can approach a shift toward longer lease terms.
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Season 4 Episode 19 features Melissa Gillispie
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Sep 26, 2024 • 43min
Ziprent’s Innovation in Tenant Placement
Arvand Sabetian and Nick Bokaie, founders of Ziprent, have leveraged the virtual showing process among other automations to create a property management company built on efficiency.
They join Andrew to discuss how Ziprent came about, their philosophies on innovating in the PM space, and how they’ve used automations to reduce vacancy, ultimately creating a better service for their clients.
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Season 4 Episode 18 features Arvand Sabetian and Nick Bokaie
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Sep 12, 2024 • 54min
The Secrets to Scaling a Property Management Company
Scaling a company is a lot harder than just getting new business. Tony Cook knows. He was instrumental in Bay Management Group’s rise to over 6,000 doors.
Cook joins Andrew Smallwood to talk about his story, his time at Bay, how they won new business, how they developed standing in new markets, and how they managed their rapid growth.
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Season 4 Episode 17 features Tony Cook
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Aug 22, 2024 • 23min
The Most Common Mistake in Property Management
What is the most common mistake made in property management today?
That’s the question we posed to five industry-leading voices. Hear from Matthew Whitaker, Pablo Gonzalez, Peter Lohmann, Maranda Hunnicutt, and Wolfgang Croskey as they share what they each believe to be the most common mistake in property management. Are you currently making one of these?
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Season 4 Episode 16 features Matthew Whitaker, Pablo Gonzalez, Maranda Hunnicutt, Peter Lohmann, and Wolfgang Croskey
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Aug 8, 2024 • 37min
Where is Proptech Headed?
Few things have changed the property management industry more in the last five years than a growing proptech industry, but that industry continues to go through changes of its own.
Nate Smoyer, host of the Tech Nest Podcast, joins Andrew Smallwood to cover the state of the proptech industry, where things could be headed, and how it’s all likely to affect you as a property manager.
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Season 4 Episode 15 features Nate Smoyer
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Jul 25, 2024 • 14min
The Best Advice a Property Manager has Ever Received
What is the best advice you have ever received as a property manager?
That’s the question we posed to five industry-leading voices. Hear from Matthew Whitaker, Pablo Gonzalez, Peter Lohmann, Maranda Hunnicutt, and Wolfgang Croskey as they share the most valuable advice they ever received in their 100+ combined years of property management experience
Ready to talk to an RBP expert in your area? Fill out the form on our website https://www.secondnature.com/request-demo
Questions or thoughts on the topics we covered? Email us at triplewin@secondnature.com
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Season 4 Episode 14 features Matthew Whitaker, Pablo Gonzalez, Maranda Hunnicutt, Peter Lohmann, and Wolfgang Croskey
The Triple Win Property Management podcast is produced and distributed by Second Nature