

No Cap by CRE Daily
CRE Daily
Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.
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Nov 4, 2024 • 1h
Opportunities in Lending & Real Estate Debt w/ Richard Byrne, President, Benefit Street Partners
Season 1, Episode 13: This season finale of No Cap by CRE Daily features a rare conversation with Richard Byrne, President of Benefit Street Partners and CEO of Franklin BSP Capital Corp. Join hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik as they explore Richard’s incredible career—from his early jobs and rapid rise at Merrill Lynch in the 80s to his transition into real estate lending at Benefit Street Partners.
TOPICS
00:00 – Introduction
00:27 – Richard’s Early Life and First Jobs
03:10 – Climbing the Ladder at Merrill Lynch in the 80s
08:29 – From Casinos to Deutsche Bank
12:50 – Transition to Real Estate Lending
20:49 – Early Involvement with RFT
22:28 – Exploring FBRT and Other Service Lines
24:47 – The Role of Opportunistic Debt Funds (ODFs)
31:51 – Optimism in Today’s Real Estate Market
34:57 – Who’s Still Pursuing Multi-Property Deals
38:38 – Risk Management in Today’s Market
41:15 – Standing Out in the Industry
47:13 – A Banker’s Path to Jiu-Jitsu
58:32 – Advice for Young Professionals
01:01:27 – Conclusion
We want to thank our sponsor Viking Capital.
For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/
Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily
About No Cap Podcast
Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.
About CRE Daily
CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Oct 21, 2024 • 49min
Jilliene Helman on Building RealtyMogul & Real Estate Syndication
Season 1, Episode 12: In this episode of No Cap by CRE Daily, we sit down with Jilliene Helman, founder and CEO of RealtyMogul, to explore her entrepreneurial journey and the evolution of RealtyMogul in the real estate industry. Jilliene shares how her background inspired the launch of RealtyMogul, details the platform’s first deal, and explains the three businesses that form its foundation. We discuss what RealtyMogul looks for in sponsors, the early days of crowdfunding, and the impact of the 2012 Jobs Act on real estate investing.
TOPICS
00:00 — Intro
00:47 — Jilliene’s background and what led to creating RealtyMogul
02:19 — RealtyMogul’s first deal
04:10 — What RealtyMogul is, and the 3 businesses that make it up
05:43 — The value RealtyMogul brings to the table
07:10 — What RealtyMogul looks for in sponsors
09:05 — The first iteration of RealtyMogul, and how it got crowdfunded
12:50 — How crowdfunding worked in its earliest stages
14:35 — What the 2012 Jobs Act changed, and what stayed the same
19:03 — How RealtyMogul handled capital calls
20:46 — What a REIT is, and why RealtyMogul got into them
23:20 — The future of RealtyMogul
25:26 — Why balancing investors and deals is so challenging
29:35 — What sponsors should be looking for
31:18 — The secret to RealtyMogul’s longevity
32:34 — Jilliene’s family background
34:17 — What Burning Man is like, and why so many successful people attend
37:50 — How Jilliene stays creative
39:23 — Jilliene’s favorite travel destinations, and what she loves about Japan
40:43 — The potential of the new city being built outside San Francisco
43:40 — Why RealtyMogul is bullish on Columbus, Ohio
46:18 — The future of crowdfunding in real estate
We want to thank our sponsor Viking Capital.
For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/
Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily
About No Cap Podcast
Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.
About CRE Daily
CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Oct 2, 2024 • 1h 3min
Revolutionizing Construction with Cuby Co-Founder Aleksandr Gampel
Season 1, Episode 11: In this episode of No Cap by CRE Daily, hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Aleksandr Gampel, Co-Founder of Cuby, to explore how Cuby is revolutionizing the construction industry. They dive into Cuby's mission to industrialize the construction process through transportable factories that minimize human error, reduce timelines, and bring cost transparency without sacrificing design.
Aleksandr shares his insights on the housing shortage, the waste in traditional construction, and Cuby’s innovative use of digital twins and lean manufacturing. Listeners will also hear how Cuby’s software and operating system streamline the entire building process and why Gampel believes the best construction companies are really supply chain companies.
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00:00:00 - Introduction
00:00:42 - The Story Behind Alex and Alex’s First Meeting
00:03:35 - Cuby’s Vision: What is Cuby and Its Mission?
00:04:20 - Personal Connections: Do You Know Someone in Construction?
00:07:34 - The Big Question: Can Construction Be Industrialized?
00:09:04 - Alex’s First Principles Approach to Building Homes
00:12:43 - Addressing the Crisis: The Lack of Affordable Housing
00:14:17 - Waste in Construction: Why the Industry Produces So Much Waste
00:15:26 - Technology Insight: What Exactly is a Digital Twin?
00:16:51 - Building for the Future: The Machine That Builds the Machine
00:19:12 - How Cuby Can Streamline Your Construction Projects
00:27:33 - A Deep Dive into Cuby’s Software and Its Capabilities
00:30:02 - Understanding Cuby’s Operating System and Its Functionality
00:36:28 - Why Cuby? The Value Proposition for Working With Cuby
00:38:54 - “The Best Construction Companies Are Supply Chain Companies”
00:44:12 - Cuby Today: Current Status and Milestones
00:52:00 - Expanding Horizons: Cuby’s Market Expansion Strategy
00:56:09 - The Role of Venture-Backed Companies in the Defense Space
00:58:35 - Closing Moments
We want to thank our sponsor Viking Capital.
For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/
Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily
About No Cap Podcast
Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.
About CRE Daily
CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Sep 23, 2024 • 51min
Jonathon Barkl: Building AirGarage from 'Airbnb for Driveways' to Parking Powerhouse
Jonathon Barkl, the CEO and co-founder of AirGarage, shares his transformative journey in the parking industry, starting from college frustrations to revolutionizing parking with tech innovations. He discusses the shift from 'Airbnb for driveways' to partnering with real estate owners, unlocking underutilized spaces. The conversation covers dynamic pricing, the importance of understanding parking occupancy, and how a technology-first approach can enhance user experience. Jonathon’s insights challenge outdated systems and highlight the future of seamless parking.

Sep 15, 2024 • 45min
Michael Santora: Revolutionizing Warehouses Through Digital Twins and Mobile Robots
Season 1, Episode 9: In this episode of No Cap by CRE Daily, Alex and Jack chat sit down with Michael Santora, CEO and co-founder of Logic. Michael discusses his robotics platform, which automates supply chains and optimizes warehousing. The group dives into the impact on warehouse and distribution centers, where the industry is heading, and other applications of Logic’s systems.
TOPICS
00:00 — Intro
00:52 — How Alex & Michael Met
02:15 — Michael’s Early Architectural Background
04:15 — How the 2008 Market Crash Impacted Michael
05:53 — Michael’s Journey into Industrial Design
06:41 — Solving for Spatial Efficiency in Warehouses
09:35 — Are the Robots Running the Warehouses?
11:06 — How Much is Wasted Using Forklifts?
13:06 — Logic’s Initial Company Focus
15:48 — Replacing Aisles in Warehouses
21:45 — Charging Docks for Logic’s Pallets
25:52 — Inefficiency of Delivery Trucks in Big Cities
28:40 — Michael on Going Back to School
30:09 — Consulting With Space Force
32:44 — Logic’s Commercial and Defense Operations
37:10 — Logic’s Pallets Loading C-130 Hercules
37:50 — Logic’s Pallet Composition
40:12 — Logic Pallet Delivering Pizza
43:45 — Conclusion
We want to thank our sponsor Viking Capital.
For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/
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About No Cap Podcast
Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.
About CRE Daily
CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Sep 9, 2024 • 32min
Welcome to Y'all Street, Multifamily Fraud, and US Retail Store Closings
Season 1, Episode 8: In this episode of No Cap by CRE Daily, Alex and Jack discuss Dallas' rise as a finance hub, major developments from Goldman Sachs and Wells Fargo, and Trimont's acquisition of Wells Fargo's $475B CRE loan portfolio. They also cover JLL's $18M fraud loss, South Florida's condo challenges, Sonder's Marriott partnership, and the latest on retail closures and CRE mortgage originations.
TOPICS
0:18 — Alex’s Weekend in the Hamptons
2:19 — "Y’all Street Journal" and Dallas' Financial Boom
3:57 — Trimont's $475B Wells Fargo Acquisition
5:38 — Mr. Cooper Buys Flagstar’s Mortgage Servicing
6:46 — JLL Hit by $18M Multifamily Loan Fraud
9:36 — Florida Condo Market Crisis
15:49 — Marriott Rescues Sonder with Strategic Deal
19:38 — U.S. Retail Store Closures Surpass Openings
22:24 — Alex Witnesses a Robbery in Real Time
25:00 — TSA-Level Security at CVS & Walgreens
28:24 — Multifamily Market Shows Signs of Stabilization
31:44 — Merch Giveaway
We want to thank our sponsor Viking Capital.
For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/
About No Cap Podcast
Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.
About CRE Daily
CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Sep 1, 2024 • 1h 2min
Vikram Raya CEO @ Viking Capital: From Medicine to $800M+ in Multifamily
Vikram Raya, a former cardiologist turned CEO and co-founder of Viking Capital, shares his transformative journey from medicine to real estate. He discusses the challenges of shifting careers and the vital lessons learned from rocky partnerships. Vikram dives into the importance of timing in investments and why specialized professionals like doctors often struggle as investors. He also touches on his secrets to quality sleep and biohacking, all while emphasizing the significance of mentorship and adaptability in navigating the real estate landscape.

Aug 18, 2024 • 54min
The Holy Trinity: Sanjay Chandra on Leading Investors to $7B in Deals
Season 1, Episode 6: Sanjay Chandra is the Principal and Managing Partner at Trinity Investors, a Texas-based private equity and real estate firm he co-founded in 2006. Sanjay has led Trinity investors to over $7 billion in deals, building a portfolio that includes 160 commercial real estate assets and 19 operating companies.
But Sanjay’s journey didn’t start in real estate. As a first-generation immigrant with an engineering background, he began his career founding American Leather before transitioning into private equity. In this episode of No Cap by CRE Daily, Jack and Alex peel back the curtains on one of Texas's most recognized investors, exploring Chandra’s entrepreneurial journey and his transition into real estate.
TOPICS
0:38 — Sanjay’s background
7:59 — Moving into private equity and founding Trinity
14:08 — The private equity business today
16:48 — How Sanjay is approaching portfolio allocation
22:45 — What makes a good OpCo investment?
25:30 — What makes a good real estate deal?
28:00 — What Sanjay looks for in partners
31:50 — The risks of the past few years Sanjay wasn’t prepared for
36:30 — The effect of current market conditions on Sanjay’s business
38:25 — Is there a rate cut coming?
41:33 — Sanjay’s thoughts on bank liquidity
45:18 — Sanjay talks UT and why Austin might be a better living city than Dallas
47:59 — Sanjay’s thoughts on Miami
51:09 — Conclusion
We want to thank our sponsor Viking Capital.
For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/
About Our Guest
SANJAY CHANDRA
Sanjay serves as a principal and managing partner at Trinity and its affiliated companies in a variety of roles and responsibilities on a full time and active basis. Sanjay brings to Trinity over 30 years of experience as a successful entrepreneur and an active private investor. In addition to his day to day role at Trinity, Sanjay serves as a board member for American Leather, which he co-founded in 1990, and where he was formerly president and CFO. He is a board member for Robokind LLC, ELB Learning, Nuclein LLC, Falcon Structures LLC, Bentwood Kitchens Inc and other affiliate companies, as well as the Longhorn Council of the Boy Scouts of America, where he serves as Vice President of Development. Sanjay is a Special Advisor to Urban Genesis, Capital Boutiq and AllTrades, and serves as Chairman on the Engineering Advisory Board for the Cockrell School of Engineering at the University of Texas at Austin.
About No Cap Podcast
Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.
About CRE Daily
CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Aug 4, 2024 • 49min
Michael Mandel on Leveraging AI to Transform CRE Transparency
Season 1, Episode 5: In this episode of "No Cap by CRE Daily," we sit down with Michael Mandel, a former broker and the visionary founder of CompStak, to dive into the power of data and AI in the commercial real estate industry. Michael shares his journey as a broker and the issues he encountered that led him to build CompStak. We also discuss how AI and machine learning are revolutionizing data collection, analysis, and utilization in the CRE industry.
TOPICS
0:31 — Introduction
6:55 — How Compstak incorporated AI & machine learning tech into their stack
11:31 — Making brokers' lives easier using technology
13:40 — How the data verification process works
17:31 — The scoring and credit system to incentivize people to contribute data
18:05 — What will the actual effects of AI be on the real estate market?
22:46 — Pet peeves as a broker
24:59 — AI tools for architecture
28:34 — New insights into client data
30:11 — Are we going to be “owned” by AI?
33:10 — Jack & ChatGPT
35:53 — What are use cases of AI & what’s the effect of deep fakes?
37:15 — Will the vast majority of real estate jobs be automated?
42:50 — Conclusion
We want to thank our sponsor Viking Capital.
For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/
About Our Guest
Michael Mandel
https://www.linkedin.com/in/mmandel/
Michael is the Co-Founder & CEO of CompStak, a marketplace for commercial real estate information. CompStak uses a crowd-sourced model to gather real information that is hard to find, difficult to compile or otherwise unavailable. Our first product is a marketplace for the exchange of commercial lease comparables. Users add the comps they have to find the comps they need. CompStak was born out of Michael's experience as a commercial leasing broker in Manhattan. He has been recognized for his success as Grubb & Ellis’ National Rookie of the Year in 2007 and Real Estate New York’s 30 under 30 in 2008. CompStak has been featured in The Wall Street Journal, The Real Deal, Forbes, Bloomberg, AG Beat and more.
About No Cap Podcast
Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.
About CRE Daily
CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Aug 3, 2024 • 47min
How Brad Sumrok Became the Tony Robbins of Multifamily Investing
Season 1, Episode 4: In this episode of No Cap by CRE Daily, hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik dive into the journey of Brad Sumrok, famously known as the "Apartment King" in the multifamily real estate world. Starting with his first investment in a 32-unit apartment building in 2002, Brad replaced his 9 to 5 job income by 2005 and retired at the age of 38. Since then, he has invested in over 4,200 apartment units, and his mentoring students have collectively purchased over $2 billion worth of apartment buildings.
Brad shares his transition from a career in chemical engineering to becoming a prominent investor and coach in multifamily real estate. He discusses Tony Robbins's influence on his mindset and reveals how being fired from his corporate job spurred him to become a public speaker in real estate. Brad also shares his thoughts on handling the haters and provides insights into the risks associated with investing in syndication.
TOPICS
1:15 — Brad’s transition from chemical engineering to real estate
5:20 — Getting fired from corporate America
6:25 — Breaking into the world of real estate through seminars
8:34 — Brad’s first property
13:07 — Are motivational speakers and business coaches cheesy, or authentic?
15:17 — Becoming the Tony Robbins of the multifamily syndication industry
16:54 — Mentoring at Lifestyles Unlimited
20:18 — Surviving 2008-2011
24:07 — What's a “good project for Brad” in 2024?
26:11 — How many investors & LPs does Brad have on a typical deal?
34:20 — What brings investors to the table
36:52 — Effects of the presidential race on the economy and tax code
37:38 — WSJ article on Brad & former students
41:43 — Closing remarks from Brad
We want to thank our sponsor Viking Capital.
For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/
About No Cap Podcast
Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.
About CRE Daily
CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.