

Talking Under Water
Endeavor Business Media
Talking Under Water is a One Water podcast for the water industry. Editors from Endeavor’s Water Group highlight news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and interviews with experts. Topics covered include water and wastewater treatment, stormwater and erosion control, diversity, regulations/legislation, flooding, circular water economy, water scarcity, small systems, emerging contaminants, smart water and more.
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Mar 1, 2023 • 21min
Episode 63: Women in Water with Megan Glover
In episode 63 of Talking Under Water, we feature an interview with Megan Glover, CEO of 120Water. In just seven years, Glover has grown her Indiana-based business focused on lead in water awareness to a premiere thought leadership business on the Lead & Copper Rule.
In the spirit of Women’s History Month, she shares her experience growing her business as a woman in the water industry, how she addresses those challenges and where she wants to take the business moving forward.
Show Notes:
https://www.wwdmag.com/editorial-topical/women-in-water
https://www.wwdmag.com/editorial-topical/young-pros/video/10938966/megan-glover-2020-wwd-young-pros
Time Stamps:
Introduction | 0:00
Why water? | 1:21
What about your position excites you right now? | 3:36
What is the most important issue facing the industry to you? | 5:44
Complex business opportunities for lead in water | 8:04
The role of mentorship | 9:23
What it means to be a woman in water | 10:50
Breaking into the industry as a woman | 12:13
Differences in social and societal gender expectations | 13:59
Mentally checking out and meditation | 15:39
Housekeeping | 18:32
Award Programs:
Stormwater Solutions Young Pros
Stormwater Solutions Industry Icon
Wastewater Digest Young Pros
StormCon Discount:
Talking Under Water listeners have access to a special discount code to register for this year's StormCon. When registering, use the code ONEWATER10 to receive a 10% discount on your conference registration. Visit bit.ly/stormconreg2023 to register and use the code.
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Water & Wastes Digest (WWD), Water Quality Products (WQP) and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@sgcmail.com or engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.

Feb 17, 2023 • 34min
Episode 62: Diversity, equity & inclusion in the water sector
In this month’s episode, the hosts discuss The Norfolk Southern East Palestine train derailment, new funding for emerging contaminants and share an interview on DE&I in the water industry.
In this month’s episode of Talking Under Water co-hosts Bob Crossen and Katie Johns share an update on the The Norfolk Southern East Palestine train derailment’s impact on surface and groundwater in Eastern Ohio and Western Pennsylvania and touch on new funding for emerging contaminants in drinking water through the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. Additionally, this month’s interview dives into diversity, equity and inclusion in the water sector with W&T Contracting Corporation co-owners and brothers Wiley and Terrell Richards. The Richardses talked with Johns about their careers, goals, advice and more.
Show Notes:
Ohio EPA asserts low contamination risk from train derailment
EPA announces $2B available for emerging contaminants in drinking water
Talking Under Water Episode 49: The Importance of DE&I to the Water Industry
Timestamps:
Cold open | 0:00
Episode summary | :057
The Norfolk Southern East Palestine Train derailment | 1:51
Emerging contaminant funding | 8:48
Interview intro | 11:06
Interview starts | 11:25
Wiley & Terrell Richards’ career paths | 12:10
About W&T Contracting Corporation |14:42
The importance of mentorship programs | 18:20
MBE requirements | 20:13
DE&I evolution | 22:18
Addressing the staffing shortage | 24:52
Advice | 26:36
Subcontract at Ford Blue Oval Plant | 27:55
Final thoughts | 29:58
Interview ends | 31:05
Housekeeping | 31:22
End | 33:45
Award Programs:
Stormwater Solutions Young Pros
Stormwater Solutions Industry Icon
Wastewater Digest Young Pros
StormCon Discount:
Talking Under Water listeners have access to a special discount code to register for this year's StormCon. When registering, use the code ONEWATER10 to receive a 10% discount on your conference registration. Visit bit.ly/stormconreg2023 to register and use the code.
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Water & Wastes Digest (WWD), Water Quality Products (WQP) and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@sgcmail.com or engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.

Feb 2, 2023 • 14min
Episode 61: Xylem acquires Evoqua
In this bonus episode, Bob Crossen talks with Albert Cho, Al Cho, Chief Strategy and External Affairs Officer at Xylem, and Snehal A. Desai, Chief Growth and Sustainability Officer at Evoqua, about Xylem’s recent $7.5 billion acquisition of Evoqua.
What does this all-stock acquisition mean for water and wastewater professionals? Learn how the acquisition will impact plant managers and operators looking to maintain their equipment from either company for the long term, and what it will mean for purchasing and specifying engineers and consultants. Lastly, Cho and Desai share their thoughts on the future of the water and wastewater industry in light of this business deal.
Show Notes:
Xylem to acquire Evoqua in $7.5B transaction
Xylem acquires Evoqua Water Technologies [Video]
Time Stamps:
Introduction | 0:00
Interview starts |
Why did Xylem make this acquisition? | 1:42
How is Evoqua viewing the transaction? | 4:00
How Xylem and Evoqua are integrating their goals | 6:28
Lowering the barrier to solving problems | 9:33
What to expect in the near and long term? | 10:33
Closing out the interview | 12:02
Housekeeping | 12:55
Award Programs:
Stormwater Solutions Young Pros
Stormwater Solutions Industry Icon
Wastewater Digest Young Pros
StormCon Discount:
Talking Under Water listeners have access to a special discount code to register for this year's StormCon. When registering, use the code ONEWATER10 to receive a 10% discount on your conference registration. Visit bit.ly/stormconreg2023 to register and use the code.

Jan 25, 2023 • 23min
Episode 60: Industrial Water Trends to Watch
In this month’s episode of Talking Under Water co-hosts Bob Crossen and Katie Johns share brief highlights of the EPA’s Effluent Limitation Guidelines Plan 15, an overview on a potential pricing model for water utilities and a look at a U.S. Geological Survey groundwater study about the connection between groundwater sources and agricultural use.
This month's interview is with Daniel Gaddy, managing editor for Water Technology, Processing and Processing Instrumentation, all of which are Endeavor Business Media publications much like Wastewater Digest, Stormwater Solutions, WaterWorld and Water Quality Products. Gaddy and Crossen discussed the trends in the industrial water and wastewater sector, and what that likely means for business opportunity in 2023.
Show Notes:
Groundwater is running low in agricultural areas of Nevada
A promising water pricing model for equity and financial resilience
EPA announces plans for new landfill wastewater PFAS regulations
Effluent Guidelines Program Plan 15
Detroit’s major sewer interceptor connecting tunnel | 2022 WWD Top Projects
Timestamps:
Cold open | 0:00
Episode summary | 1:02
News | 2:30
Interview with Daniel Gaddy begins | 7:49
Trends in the industrial sector | 8:18
Business development for industrial water and wastewater | 12:25
Regulations impacting industrial users | 14:44
Industrial storm water management | 18:51
Housekeeping | 29:39
Award Programs:
Stormwater Solutions Young Pros
Stormwater Solutions Industry Icon
Wastewater Digest Young Pros
StormCon Discount:
Talking Under Water listeners have access to a special discount code to register for this year's StormCon. When registering, use the code ONEWATER10 to receive a 10% discount on your conference registration. Visit bit.ly/stormconreg2023 to register and use the code.
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Water & Wastes Digest (WWD), Water Quality Products (WQP) and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@sgcmail.com or engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.

Dec 16, 2022 • 33min
Episode 59: 2022 State of the Industry
In this month’s episode of Talking Under Water, co-hosts Bob Crossen and Katie Johns share some recent industry news, including the influx of policy movement from the U.S. EPA in the past month. In lieu of an interview this month, Crossen and Johns dive into the results from the state of the industry surveys that Water & Wasted Digest, Storm Water Solutions and Water Quality Products sent out to their respective audiences. The results provided insight into all verticals of the water industry: drinking water, wastewater, stormwater, residential, commercial and industrial water.
Show Notes
[Video] Interview with Radhika Fox
Water Shares Final Comments on PFAS CERCLA Proposal
What is Build America, Buy America?
[Video] OMB Takes Up BABA Implementation
Preview of WWD SOTI
U.S. EPA Marks One Year Under the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, Shares Anniversary Report
EPA Issues Guidance to States to Reduce Harmful PFAS Pollution
EPA Releases One-Year Progress Report for PFAS Strategic Roadmap
Timestamps
Cold Open | 0:00
Host Introduction | 0:55
Episode Summary | 1:06
The State of Municipal Water & Wastewater | 2:09
The State of Stormwater | 6:35
The State of Residential/Commercial Water | 9:29
Regulatory impacts | 10:40
Municipal water and wastewater | 11:01
Stormwater | 14:57
Residential and commercial water | 16:13
Build America, Buy America | 20:30
Funding | 26:36
Housekeeping | 29:25
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Water & Wastes Digest (WWD), Water Quality Products (WQP) and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@sgcmail.com or engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.

Nov 18, 2022 • 34min
Episode 58: Smart Water Trends & Best Practices
In this month’s episode of Talking Under Water co-hosts Bob Crossen and Katie Johns dive into recent industry news, including the EPA’s PFAS CERCLA proposal, the Jackson, Mississipi Water Crisis and recent funding for both drought resiliency in the West and SRFs. Additionally, the hosts share an interview with Steve Drangsholt, account executive with Trinnex. Johns and Drangsholt spoke about smart water and how the digital transformation is impacting the water industry. They also dive into machine learning and digital twins, and Drangsholt shares how you can bring digital transformation to your workplace.
Show Notes:
EPA Issues Final List of Contaminants for Potential Regulatory Consideration in Drinking Water
Water Associations Share Final Comments on PFAS CERCLA Proposal
Biden-Harris Administration Announces $210 Million for Drought Resilience Projects In the West
Illinois EPA Awards $70M in SRF to 13 Projects
NY Wastewater Projects Receive $176M in CWSRF
Timestamps:
Cold open | 0:00
Host intro and episode summary | 0:38
EPA’s proposal to add PFOS and PFOA | 1:25
Jackson, Mississippi, Water Crisis | 6:34
Funding for drought resiliency in the West | 7:15
SRF funding update | 8:08
Steve Drangsholt Introduction | 9:10
What is Trinnex? | 9:36
Current smart water trends | 11:10
Mitigating digital risks | 14:40
Impact of increasingly Intense weather | 17:09
Machine learning & digital twins | 18:57
How digital twins can improve infrastructure | 26:29
Advice for implementing smart water practices | 28:41
Keeping the human element | 31:06
Interview ends | 32:47
Housekeeping | 33:02
Outro | 33:52
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Water & Wastes Digest (WWD), Water Quality Products (WQP) and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@sgcmail.com or engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.

Oct 21, 2022 • 20min
Episode 57: Rising Water Leaders
In this month’s episode of Talking Under Water co-hosts Bob Crossen and Katie Johns discuss a recent funding announcement for water storage and conveyance projects in the West and share a PFAs regulation update from Radhika Fox, assistant administrator for the EPA Office of Water. They also touch on SeaLab, a new tidal pool built on the Middle River that will be used by students at St. Mark’s Episcopal School in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, to teach them about global water and sustainability issues. And, this month’s interview is with Maura Jarvis, who is the assistant manager of the public outreach team for the Philadelphia Water Department and is the 2022 US Water Prize winner for Rising One Water Leader. Jarvis and Crossen talked about her career, why water is so important and what one water means to her.
Show Notes:
Value of Water Series: Utility Perspective with Buffalo Sewer Authority
Veolia NA Breaks Ground on Thermal Waste Treatment Facility
Clean Water Act, Funding & PFAS with Radhika Fox
Biden-Harris Administration Announces $210 Million for Drought Resilience Projects In the West
Timestamps:
Cold open | 0:00
Host intro and episode summary | 0:38
Water storage and conveyance project funding | 1:15
Clean Water Act Anniversary | 3:07
Update on PFAS regulations for water and wastewater | 3:54
Maura Jarvis interview introduction | 6:42
Maura Jarvis’ career path and successes | 7:33
What One Water means to Maura | 11:45
Representation matters for One Water | 13:59
Interview ends | 17:15
Housekeeping | 17:53
Outro | 19:27
Surveys:
Storm Water Solutions State of the Industry Survey
Water Quality Products State of the Industry Survey
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Water & Wastes Digest (WWD), Water Quality Products (WQP) and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com. Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@sgcmail.com or engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.
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Sep 16, 2022 • 36min
Episode 56: The Emerging Contaminants Puzzle
In this month’s episode of Talking Under Water co-hosts Bob Crossen and Katie Johns give an overview of the Jackson, Mississippi, Water Crisis and touch base on the latest proposal from the EPA, which relates to adding PFAS chemicals to Superfund. Additionally, this month’s interview is with Jeff Cornell, global PFAS practice lead for Black & Veatch. Crossen and Cornell talked about all things emerging contaminants, particularly as it relates to PFAS, but Cornell also shares an exhaustive list of just how many things are on his and the industry’s radar as it relates to water contamination.
Show Notes:
Water Pressure is Restored in Jackson, Miss.
EPA Proposes Designating Certain PFAS Chemicals as Hazardous Substances Under Superfund
Water Experts Respond to PFOA, PFOS CERCLA Proposal
Timestamps:
Cold Open | 0:00
Host Introductions | 0:25
Episode Summary | 0:36
Water Crisis in Jackson Mississippi | 1:10
EPA Proposes Adding PFOA, PFOS to Superfund | 3:43
Interview with Jeff Cornell begins | 6:43
Overview of emerging contaminants in water and wastewater | 6:54
The CERCLA designation is complex and vast | 19:55
Viewing emerging contaminants with a one water lens | 21:20
Exciting technologies to address emerging contaminants | 25:11
What’s the roadmap for addressing emerging contaminants | 30:13
Interview ends | 34:38
Housekeeping | 35:01
End | 35:36
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About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Water & Wastes Digest (WWD), Water Quality Products (WQP) and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@sgcmail.com or engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.

Aug 19, 2022 • 29min
Episode 55: Challenges & Trends in Small Systems
In this month’s episode of Talking Under Water co-hosts Bob Crossen and Katie Johns discuss the movement of EPA’s proposal for PFOA and PFOS to be listed as a hazardous substance under CERCLA and a $132 million investment in the national estuary program. The hosts also share an interview with Glenn Barnes, who is the director of Water Finance Assistance and works with numerous small utilities throughout the United States. Crossen and Barnes talked about the challenges facing small systems, how they are trying to adapt to the new normal, and how workforce concerns are nearing a tipping point.
Show Notes:
OMB Finishes Review of EPA’s Proposed Rule to Designate PFOA and PFOS as Hazardous Substances Under CERCLA
What is CERCLA?
Biden-Harris Administration Announces $132 Million for EPA’s National Estuary Program from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law
Timestamps:
Cold open | 0:00
Host Intros | 0:32
Episode summary | 0:43
OMB finishes review of PFAS CERCLA proposal | 1:12
$132M investment for National Estuary Program | 4:08
Introducing Glenn Barnes | 6:00
Just how many small systems are there in the U.S.? | 6:32
What small utilities are thinking about day to day | 9:11
Small town public workers wear too many hats | 11:38
How small utilities are looking at infrastructure funding | 14:30
Inflation and rising costs hit small utilities hardest | 17:42
Issues at the top of small systems’ minds | 20:13
The future of small systems in the U.S. | 22:18
Interview wrap up | 26:02
Housekeeping | 26:52
Awards:
SWS is now accepting 2022 Top Projects nominations. Nominations are open until September 5. Submit here.
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Water & Wastes Digest (WWD), Water Quality Products (WQP) and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@sgcmail.com or engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.

Jul 22, 2022 • 31min
Episode 54: Measuring Water Insecurity
In this month’s episode of Talking Under Water, co-hosts Bob Crossen and Katie Johns discuss the PFAS health advisory limits announced by the U.S. EPA last month and share some of the conversations surrounding that news Additionally, they touch on the recent announcement of NOAA funding opportunities through the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. Finally, we share an interview with Dr. Sera Young, professor of anthropology and global health at Northwestern University. Johns spoke with her about water scarcity and the Water Insecurity Experiences Scales, also known as WISE scales.
Show Notes:
EPA Announces New Drinking Water Health Advisories for PFAS Chemicals
Water Industry Responds to PFAS Health Advisories
Communication & Education Vital for PFAS HALs, Firms Say
WWD Water Scarcity Newsletter
Biden Administration Announces Coastal & Climate Resilience Funding
Water Insecurity Experience Scales
Timestamps:
Cold open | 00:00
Host introductions & episode summary | 01:03
EPA announces PFAS Health Advisory Levels | 01:54
NOAA climate funding news | 06:36
Interview introduction & start | 8:30
Career path and current work | 9:19
Why measure experiences of water? | 12:51
Biggest takeaways from water insecurity research | 17:20
How do we increase visibility of this issue? | 19:23
How to measure water insecurity | 21:59
Why breaking down silos can address the issue | 23:41
Goals for the future of the measurement of water insecurity | 26:10
Interview wrap up| 27:37
Housekeeping | 28:40
Awards
SWS Top Project nominations
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Water & Wastes Digest (WWD), Water Quality Products (WQP) and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@sgcmail.com or engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.