

Talking Under Water
Endeavor Business Media
Talking Under Water is a One Water podcast for the water industry. Editors from Endeavor’s Water Group highlight news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and interviews with experts. Topics covered include water and wastewater treatment, stormwater and erosion control, diversity, regulations/legislation, flooding, circular water economy, water scarcity, small systems, emerging contaminants, smart water and more.
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Apr 5, 2024 • 21min
Meet the new EPA water leader
In this episode of Talking Under Water, get to know the new acting assistant administrator to the U.S. EPA Office of Water, Bruno Pigott. Pigott was promoted to this role in February, and in this interview with Co-host Bob Crossen, Pigott touches on his vision for the future of water; issues to tackle, such as PFAS; how he hopes his past experiences and professional relationships can help the industry tackle certain challenges; water funding and much more.
Show Notes:
EPA's future depends on water and wastewater professionals
EPA Office of Water appoints Bruno Pigott to lead office
Time Stamps
Introduction | 0:00
Biggest issues facing the water industry today | 2:02
Highest priorities for EPA's Office of Water | 4:51
Bruno's vision fo the future of the water industry | 9:56
The role of the EPA Water assistant administrator in orchestrating vision | 12:53
Parting thoughts and bits of wisdom | 14:47
The value of generational infrastructure | 17:41
Housekeeping | 19:28
Resources:
Subscribe to Stormwater Solutions
Subscribe to Wastewater Digest
Subscribe to WaterWorld
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Wastewater Digest (WWD), WaterWorld and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@endeavorb2b.com engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.

Mar 28, 2024 • 22min
Women in Water with Kathy Romans
In this episode of Talking Under Water, we share our final episode celebrating Women’s History Month. Co-host Bob Crossen interviews Kathy Romans, water and wastewater segment manager for the protective and marine coatings division of PPG for US and Canada. Romans was the first woman president of NASSCO where she played a vital role in influencing safety practices and industry standards; and is a chemist who has developed into a respected and notable business professional in water. Romans shares her career path, how more women have entered the industry over time and the impact that has had, as well as advice for aspiring young professionals.
Show Notes
Talking Under Water: Building a network with Womxn in Water
Career beginnings with erosion: How it helped build relationships and shape my professional future
WaterWorld Women in Water 2024
Women in Water 2024
Closing the gap for women in science and water
Timestamps
Introduction | 0:00
Interview starts | 1:04
What it means to be a woman in the water industry | 1:24
Water takes us to our roots | 4:04
Did you find water or did water find you? | 5:29
Women in water over the years | 6:36
Why water is an industry for strong careers | 8:13
Catering to the next generation of water workers | 10:41
Lessons for aspiring water workers | 14:23
What piece of media has influenced you most | 17:28
Housekeeping | 20:21
Resources
Subscribe to Stormwater Solutions
Subscribe to Wastewater Digest
Subscribe to WaterWorld
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Wastewater Digest (WWD), WaterWorld and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@endeavorb2b.com engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.

Mar 15, 2024 • 30min
Talking Under Water: Building a network with Womxn in Water
In this episode of Talking Under Water, the hosts discuss the recent leadership changes and movement in the EPA Office of Water, a letter from water leaders urging Congressional leaders to reinstate the complete funding of the SRF programs for drinking water and clean water, and Water Research Foundation's request for project pre-proposals.
Finally, our interview this episode features Amanda Jones, project manager for Tucson Water and founder of Womxn in Water. Amanda talks about being a woman in the water industry, finding Womxn in Water, her career and much more.
Show Notes:
EPA Office of Water appoints Bruno Pigott to lead office
Radhika Fox appointed Senior Advisor at Xylem
WRF seeks pre-proposals for One Water research projects
Water leaders urge Congress to fully fund SRF programs for water
Career beginnings with erosion: How it helped build relationships and shape my professional future
Show Notes:
EPA Office of Water appoints Bruno Pigott to lead office
Radhika Fox appointed Senior Advisor at Xylem
WRF seeks pre-proposals for One Water research projects
Water leaders urge Congress to fully fund SRF programs for water
Career beginnings with erosion: How it helped build relationships and shape my professional future
Timestamps:
Cold open | 0:00
EPA Water leadership changes | 1:42
Water leaders urge Congrss to fund SRF | 3:57
Water Research Foundation seeks pre-proposals | 5:22
Interview with Amanda Jones begins | 7:08
Amanda's career path | 7:33
The founding of Womxn in Water | 9:12
Womxn in Water events and gatherings | 11:20
How DEI is about more than just race | 12:58
Mentorship | 15:03
What it means to be a woman in the water industry | 16:40
Women involvement in the water industry | 18:32
How industry involvement shapes careers | 20:11
Advice for young women entering the industry | 22:39
Overcoming impostor syndrome and being vulnerable | 24:56
Final thoughts | 27:14
Housekeeping | 28:14
Resources:
SWS Top Projects Nominations
StormCon Registration
WaterWorld Young Pros Nominations
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Wastewater Digest (WWD), WaterWorld and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@endeavorb2b.com engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.

Mar 1, 2024 • 22min
Talking Under Water: What California’s new direct potable reuse regulations mean
On December 19, 2023, the state of California passed new regulations for direct potable reuse. In this episode of Talking Under Water, Co-host Mandy Crispin, editor-in-chief of WaterWorld, talks with David Pederson, the president of WaterReuse California, and Rosario Cortes, WaterReuse California’s regulatory affairs director about what direct potable reuse is and how and why the regulation was developed.
Show Notes:
California approves regulations for direct potable reuse
2024 Wastewater Association Forecast
Why we shouldn't waste our wastewater
Timestamps:
Introduction and episode summary | 0:00
What is direct potable reuse? | 1:09
Comparing different water supply strategies' speed | 2:55
How direct potable reuse rules were developed in California | 3:29
Why set rules at the state level instead of locally? | 5:20
Why is DPR important at this moment in time? | 8:14
We are all downstream of someone | 9:56
Why the timeline to make a rule has been so lengthy | 10:47
How much will DPR methods cost communities and utilities? | 12:39
Using a value rather than costs mindset | 15:09
Public trust and confidence are a high priority | 16:02
The criticality of collaboration and communication | 18:36
Housekeeping | 20:17
Resources:
WaterWorld Young Pros nominations
SWS Young Pros nominations
SWS Industry Icon nominations
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Wastewater Digest (WWD), WaterWorld and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@endeavorb2b.com engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.

Feb 16, 2024 • 35min
Diversity, Equity & Inclusion in the Water Sector
In this episode of Talking Under Water the hosts discuss U.S. EPA’s latest proposal to add nine PFAS to the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act as hazardous substances, a public draft testing method for detecting 6PPD-quinone in stormwater and updates to the Lead and Copper Rule Improvements including public comments that were submitted. Additionally, this week’s interview features Ifetayo Venner, senior vice president for Arcadis and immediate past president of Water Environment Federation. Co-host Mandy Crispin spoke with Venner about the important of diversity, equity and inclusion in the water sector.
Show Notes:
EPA develops 6PPD-quinone testing method for stormwater, surface waters
Is Superfund the Future for PFAS? https://www.wwdmag.com/wastewater-treatment/article/21024076/what-is-the-future-of-pfas-regulation
Water Associations Share Final Comments on PFAS CERCLA Proposal https://www.wwdmag.com/compliance-and-regulations/news/21437708/water-associations-share-final-comments-pfas-cercla-proposal
EPA proposed to add nine PFAS to RCRAs hazardous constituents https://www.wwdmag.com/compliance-and-regulations/article/33036439/epa-proposed-to-add-nine-pfas-to-rcras-hazardous-constituents
Common RCRA violations for wastewater professionals https://www.wwdmag.com/utility-management/video/33001983/common-rcra-violations-for-wastewater-professionals
LCRI Proposal https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/12/06/2023-26148/national-primary-drinking-water-regulations-for-lead-and-copper-improvements-lcri
Public Comments on LCRI https://www.regulations.gov/document/EPA-HQ-OW-2022-0801-0036/comment
Timestamps:
Host introductions and summary | 0:16
U.S. EPA's proposal to add 9 PFAS to RCRA | 1:12
Draft testing method for 6PPD-quinone | 2:24
A summary of LCRI public comments | 3:13
Interview with Ifetayo Venner begins | 6:02
Defining DEI | 6:19
Why DEI is important to the water sector | 8:18
How roles and job titles tie into diversity efforts | 11:36
How Ifetayo has influenced DEI initiatives in her career | 12:34
Advice for water professionals | 18:10
What initiatives are still needed in water? | 22:27
How to build a DEI culture | 24:02
The value of design thinking for perspective | 25:12
How Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) relates to diversity efforts | 27:24
What do people not realize about DEI? | 30:50
Housekeeping | 32:30
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Wastewater Digest (WWD), WaterWorld and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@endeavorb2b.com engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.

Feb 2, 2024 • 10min
How to elevate groundwater desalination efforts
In this week’s episode of Talking Under Water, co-host Katie Johns interviews Eastern Municipal Water District (EMWD) General Manager Joe Mouaward. EMWD has been elevating its work with desalinated water, so the conversation dives nto groundwater desalination, how stormwater plays a role and the importance of funding.
Show Notes:
EMWD places emphasis on groundwater desalination
Research finds low-energy method for desalination
Resources:
SWS Young Pros
SWS Industry Icon
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Wastewater Digest (WWD), WaterWorld and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@endeavorb2b.com engaging with them on X @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.

Jan 19, 2024 • 44min
The intersection of water & food processing
In this episode of Talking Under Water, the hosts talk about the announcement from U.S. EPA Assistant Administrator to the Office of Water Radhika Fox that she is leaving EPA in February, the re-adoption of an emergency regulation for minimum flow of some river in California, Illinois EPA funding availability and how to apply, and the entrance of Aqualia to the U.S. Market.
Finally, the interview this episode is with Andy Hanacek, senior editor for Food Processing, a Endeavor Business Media brand covering the food processing industry. Hanacek spoke with host Bob Crossen about trends in food processing related to water and larger tends that overlap with the water industry such as sustainability, decarbonization and water reuse.

Jan 5, 2024 • 12min
PFAS Progress Report for 2023
In this episode of Talking Under Water, co-host Bob Crossen talks with Radhika Fox, assistant administrator for the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Office of Water, about the agency’s annual Per- and Polyfluoroalkyl Substances (PFAS) Progress report, which was released on Dec. 14, 2023. Crossen and Fox discuss UCMR5; the proposed Maximum Contaminant Level (MCL) for the National Primary Drinking Water Regulation; PFAS in stormwater; updates on the EPA's Risk Assessment of PFAS in biosolids and other wastewater streams; and more.
Show Notes:
What’s next for the PFAS MCL & UCMR5
How much could PFAS management cost the wastewater sector?
EPA releases annual report on PFAS progress
Episode 66: Analysis of U.S. EPA’s PFAS MCLs proposal
Timestamps:
Introduction & Summary | 0:00
EPA Council on PFAS | 1:30
UCMR5 Data Inferences from EPA | 4:02
PFAS MCL comments and plans for final publishing | 5:56
Risk assessment of PFAS in biosolids | 6:48
EPA'sapproach to PFAS in stormwater | 8:48
Housekeeping | 10:38
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Wastewater Digest (WWD), WaterWorld (WW) and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@endeavorb2b.com engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.

Dec 15, 2023 • 48min
Episode 84: State of the Industry
In this episode, the hosts discuss the U.S. EPA’s request for information on Build America Buy America products and equipment, funding for water resource projects from the Department of Interior and EPA’s proposal to expand the Lead & Copper Rule requirements. Additionally, the hosts dive into highlights from their State of the Industry surveys for each water market – stormwater, wastewater and drinking water. They also discuss trends and issues that are driving market forces and industry change.
Show Notes:
Talking Under Water Episode 83: Climate Variability & Infrastructure Challenges
Interior announces $51M for 30 environmental water projects
EPA proposes new Lead and Copper Rule Improvements
Timestamps:
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between WastewaterDigest (WWD), WaterWorld and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@endeavorb2b.com engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.

Dec 1, 2023 • 12min
Episode 83: Climate Variability & Infrastructure Challenges
In this episode of Talking Under Water co-host Katie Johns is joined by James Logan, water market leader for AEM. The two discuss the 2023 State of the Market Report - Response to Climate Variability, which examines infrastructure challenges, the impact of climate variability and more. They dive into industry challenges found in the report, including funding, and how companies and municipalities can factor climate variability into their future plans and projects.
Show Notes:
2023 State of the Market Report: Response to Climate Variability
Timestamps:
Intro | 0:00
Interview Starts | 0:56
Summary of the Market Report survey | 1:23
Biggest findings from the report | 2:15
Climate change impacts on water, wastewater and stormwater systems | 3:20
How to address the aging infrastructure problem | 4:44
Funding for infrastructure projects | 6:06
The value of public outreach and education | 7:47
Utilities planning for climate variability | 8:23
Final thoughts and points | 10:31
Housekeeping | 11:47
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Water & Wastes Digest (WWD), Water Quality Products (WQP) and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@endeavorb2b.com engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.