
Day Two DevOps
Join hosts Ned Bellavance and Kyler Middleton as they dive deep into the challenges of DevOps from the perspective of seasoned practitioners. You'll hear from expert guests—technical leaders, trainers, and consultants with years of hands-on experience—discussing the nuances of DevOps. From AWS to Azure, networking to security, automation to modern cloud environments, each weekly episode equips you with the insights to confidently address tech and business challenges such as resilience, cost management, and performance. Whether you want to hone your skills today or prepare for what’s coming next, Day Two DevOps cuts through the vendor fog to guide you through a shifting IT landscape.
Latest episodes

Apr 30, 2025 • 39min
D2DO271: Public Vs. Private Cloud In 2025
The shine has been coming off public cloud for awhile. Cloud costs remain high, complexity is growing, and public cloud interoperability is difficult. And while there’s talk about moving back to private cloud, that migration presents its own costs and complexities. To help us navigate the challenge that is cloud in 2025, we welcome Mark... Read more »

Apr 22, 2025 • 40min
D2DO270: Spacelift Is Your Infrastructure Glue (Sponsored)
Working with multiple Infrastructure as Code (IAC) tools can be painful. Spacelift provides a platform that operates on top of disparate IaC tools, including Ansible, Kubernetes, Pulumi, Terraform, and OpenTofu. Spacelift helps build the automation with and between these tools, creating graphs of graphs that make your dependencies just work. On today’s show, we talk... Read more »

Apr 16, 2025 • 40min
D2DO269: Intergalactic Dataspeak and Making Data Actionable
Data and what you do with it is the topic of today’s show with guest Dominic Chapman, the Head of Product at Axiom. Dominic’s career focus is on data, how to store and how to operationalize all the data that different technology stacks create. We talk with Dominic about how the data does not lie,... Read more »

Apr 2, 2025 • 40min
D2DO268: Solving Big Problems By Solving Small Problems
“You build a shop that solves big problems by solving small problems” is advice given by today’s guest, Merritt Baer. Merritt is currently a CISO at Reco, and has deep security experience in both government and private sectors. She chats with Day Two DevOps podcast hosts Ned Bellavance and Kyler Middleton to discuss the current... Read more »

Mar 19, 2025 • 41min
D2DO267: Get Excited About Riding the AI Infrastructure Wave
The AI buildout is driving an infrastructure boom. On today’s show, we talk with Kendall Miller, an independent consultant in the DevOps and cloud-native space, about the boom’s potential impacts on DevOps. For instance, the rise of AI workloads will increase the amount of infrastructure to be supported. At the same time, AI tools are... Read more »

Mar 5, 2025 • 43min
D2DO266: How AI Affects the Developer Experience
Let’s talk about how AI affects the developer experience, particularly for open source tools such as Terraform. We’re joined by guests Welly Siauw and Tyler Lynch to examine a project that leverages AI to automate the generation of documentation and examples for AWS Terraform providers. We delve into the iterative development process with AI, the... Read more »

Feb 19, 2025 • 40min
D2DO265: How Do We Measure Developer Experience?
Kristen Foster-Marks, Head of Developer Experience at Depot, explores the complexities of measuring Developer Experience (DevEx). She delves into the controversial idea of 'ghost engineering,' questioning how many engineers truly engage in their work. Kristen emphasizes the need for critical thinking to evaluate developer productivity and discusses the significance of both qualitative and quantitative metrics for DevEx. With a light-hearted touch, she shares insights on how effective communication and collaboration can significantly enhance the developer environment.

Feb 5, 2025 • 39min
D2DO264: Serverless Goes Mainstream
Serverless is mature enough now to be a mainstream choice for application development. But that doesn’t mean interesting things aren’t happening. Benjamen Pyle joins Kyler and Ned on Day Two DevOps to talk about the potential for small vendors and startups to develop high-quality services purpose-built to solve specific problems. They also discuss the benefits... Read more »

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Jan 22, 2025 • 45min
D2DO263: An Anthropologist’s Advice for Improving IT Cultures
Leanne Potter, a cyber anthropologist and head of security operations at a major UK retailer, offers intriguing insights into improving IT cultures. She emphasizes that people operate beyond mere infrastructure, advocating for collaboration over conflict in tech environments. Discussions touch on the risks of identity reconstruction through AI, the importance of emotional intelligence in leadership, and using reciprocity to foster connections. Potter also highlights the role of individual contributors in driving change and the need for adaptable security practices.

Jan 8, 2025 • 39min
D2DO262: The Science and Magic of Network Mapping and Measurement
Measuring network speed seems straightforward: send some traffic between two endpoints and see how long it took. But what path did the traffic take? Were wired or wireless networks involved? What intermediary devices stood between your two endpoints? Was there interference? Congestion? Are device limitations affecting your results? The fact is, there’s more to measurement... Read more »
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