Money Maze Podcast

Sign up to our newsletter for more in-depth insights | Follow us on LinkedIn In this Money Maze Podcast edition, we travel north east from the UK, beyond Norwich, and further than Hamburg, to a country of less than 6mm people, a country which has the oldest national flag, dating from 1219, and is consistently reported as having the world’s happiest people. Home to Lego and with some of the nicest people in the world, it’s Denmark of course. The guest on this podcast is a veritable Viking of the investment management industry, Bo Almar Knudsen, CEO of C Worldwide, formerly known as Carnegie. Bo starts by describing a little of it how it feels to be Danish, and of the respect and trust Danes have for their institutions. He speaks of their intrigue with travel beyond their borders which has been demonstrated with Danes travelling and settling around the world over the centuries, and in some ways mirrored in the global portfolio C Worldwide has managed for 30 years. Bo describes his decision to study in San Francisco as well as Denmark, then starting out at Danske Bank before beginning his own journey at Carnegie Asset Management in 1995. Today, his firm manage nearly $20 billion, and have achieved world class investment returns in their core equity portfolio which has made 60x an investor’s initial investment, outperforming the world equity index by 10 times! Bo details their investment approach, the very long term perspective they adopt, and speaks about the challenge of building a culture that encourages open dialogue and recognition of mistakes, but also of avoiding complacency and being patient. He makes an unusual point that the investment industry is one of the great time-wasters, whilst at the same time the challenge is to gain “lasting knowledge” and not be distracted by daily noise. Finally, as one of Denmark’s top veteran tennis players, he shares life lessons he has learnt from studying Roger Federer, why his favourite book is Sapiens by Harari, and his favourite band unexpectedly, is Depeche Mode. So - back to the 80s! To celebrate our upcoming episode with Simon Hallett (Former CIO of Harding Loevner), we are re-releasing our insightful chat with Bo Knudsen. Stay tuned for plenty more inspiring interviews!

Tilly Franklin, Chief Investment Officer at Cambridge University Endowment, shares her impressive journey from top institutions like McKinsey and Harvard to shaping one of the world's oldest endowments. She discusses the endowment's ambitious inflation plus 5% target and its significant £1 billion disbursements. Tilly also delves into the growing emphasis on private equity and sustainable investments while addressing student demands for policy changes. Plus, she highlights her charity, GAIN, GIRLS ARE INVESTORS, promoting women's empowerment in finance.

Sign up to our newsletter for more in-depth insights | Follow us on LinkedIn It’s difficult enough to train to become a Doctor and then practice in some emerging countries with fragile health systems like Papua New Guinea. But then to switch tack completely, give all that up, win a place at Harvard Business School and join Goldman Sachs in asset management before going on to launch your own fund in emerging markets, may be considered brilliance or heresy, particularly when you come from Germany, a country that reveres technical expertise and is less enthusiastic about the merits of finance. So in this conversation I am delighted to unravel an unconventional journey and welcome Dr Christina McGuire, CEO of Elephant Asset Management as our guest. We discuss her upbringing and German attitudes to finance, before touching upon her medical journey, her decision to go to Harvard Business school and then join Goldman Sachs. She discusses working and investing in China, the skills taught and culture encouraged at Goldmans, before she explains her decision to go it alone. She describes the investment approach of her firm Elephant Asset Management, where she manages a concentrated, stock-specific, emerging market equity fund. She explains her philosophy and style, detailing geographic, sectoral and company disciplines as well as the significant opportunities created by the post-Covid world for her domestically-focused companies. She describes the due diligence process, the need to eye ball CEO and CFOs and why she believes company visits and sitting in the staff canteen of investing companies are great ways to gauge culture, and sense the mood. Christina also explains why the S&G in ESG are significantly more measurable in the countries in which she invests. Finally Christina talks about how women should really think about asset management as a career, and offers some other great advice for young people thinking about their futures. To celebrate our upcoming episode with Tilly Franklin, CIO of the Cambridge University Endowment Fund, we are re-releasing some past interviews with other inspiring women in finance. In this episode, Simon spoke to Dr. Christina McGuire, who discusses her extraordinary journey from working as a doctor in low income countries to becoming an emerging market equity fund manager.  Are you a young woman looking to break into the investment industry? Discover free resources, news, events and support at www.gainuk.org. To learn more about the charity, listen to our new episode with Tilly Franklin, who co-founded the organisation (alongside running the endowment fund of one of the world's most renowned universities!). The full interview is out tomorrow, so stay tuned!

Sign up to our newsletter for more in-depth insights | Follow us on LinkedIn Helen Watson describes her untypical journey into finance. After attending multiple schools and then being advised to go to secretarial college, Helen finds a job in finance in Gibraltar before moving and being hired by Morgan Stanley in London. From there, starting as a sales assistant, she overcomes initial resistance to win a place on the Morgan Stanley graduate training programme and becomes a broker. She describes the “terrifying” experience of beginning to call clients, and her subsequent route to become the first female Managing Director in their Private Wealth Division in Europe. Her journey then takes her to Rothschild & Co’s Wealth Management business, where she rises to become CEO, a Partner and member of their Group Executive Committee. She talks about the consistent problem of wealthy families losing their wealth within two generations, the underlying causes, and suggestions to overcome this including; candour, communication, clearer planning, good partners and a dose of discipline in staying the course! She discusses the Rothschild & Co investment approach, the importance of preserving real purchasing power, setting the right benchmarks and expectations, as well as managing difficult market episodes. Finally, Helen offers some invaluable insights for women in the work place, advice for progressing, encouraging cognitive diversity in the hiring process and why portfolio and wealth management are well suited for women. Finally, she discusses the relevant topic of the cost/benefit of attending university and why it may be becoming a less inevitable path than has traditionally been thought. To celebrate our upcoming episode with Tilly Franklin, CIO of the Cambridge University Endowment Fund, we are re-releasing some past interviews with other inspiring women in finance.  In this episode, Simon enjoyed an enlightening discussion with Helen Watson, CEO of Rothschild & Co., Wealth Management (UK), who describes her untypical journey into finance.  Are you a young woman looking to break into the investment industry? Discover free resources, news, events and support at www.gainuk.org. To learn more about the charity, listen to our new episode with Tilly Franklin, who co-founded the organisation (alongside running the endowment fund of one of the world's most renowned universities!). The full interview is out tomorrow, so stay tuned!

Sign up to our newsletter for more in-depth insights | Follow us on LinkedIn Today’s episode comes from Madrid - Europe’s 3rd biggest city and the highest European capital, and with a different tack for the Money Maze Podcast we are going to explore the changing landscape of education and it ability to better arm you to get ahead in the evolving commercial world. We welcome Santiago Iñiguez de Onzoño, President of IE University which is increasingly recognised both for its campus-based, and on-line MBA, as well as its wider educational programmes. He is one of 500 Global LinkedIn influencers and has been portrayed by the Financial Times as “one of the most significant figures in promoting European business schools internationally”. Santiago talks about IE Business School, why its online MBAs have been ranked no 1 in the world by the FT & Economist for 3 consecutive years and why it is now one of the top 10 business schools globally. It is also scores amongst the highest for both the post MBA salaries and  employability its graduates achieve. Santiago talks about IE’s origins, evolution and ambitions, its WOW learning room and why it was so early in the provision of online education. He talks about the merits of a hybrid campus/online approach to learning and why education is now more important than ever before. The conversation moves to teaching leadership, and the problem with the old understanding of what constituted “leadership”. Then the discussion moves on to the need to re-learn continuously given lengthening life-expectations and likely multiple careers. Finally he finishes with some great advice about how Universities need to rethink their model to attract older students, and some of the compelling attractions of studying in Spain.

Sign up to our newsletter for more in-depth insights | Follow us on LinkedIn Maarten Slendebroek is currently Chairman of Robeco’s Supervisory Board, the Dutch investment powerhouse, former CEO of Jupiter PLC , and prior to that, member of Blackrock’s global operating committee. Maarten describes his Dutch/Swedish upbringing, studying Law at the University of Leiden, and from there to finance, beginning as an equity analyst at the emergence of individual European company research. He describes his journey through Merrill Lynch and then Blackrock. Then, in the aftermath of the 2008 Great Financial Crisis how he responded to Larry Fink’s request that he drive Blackrock’s Aladdin platform, initially in conjunction with the UK Treasury, to help analyse pools of complex debt securities. This proved invaluable to Blackrock’s subsequent growth given the troubled asset portfolios held at UK and European Financial Institutions which in many cases were too complex to unravel by the existing management teams. Maarten describes his decision later to go to Jupiter where he became CEO and discusses the challenge of scale and specialisation in asset management. He analyses what is needed to be successful in this rapidly-evolving industry, and the challenge of being a listed asset management company in a market place where investors crave growth. He then moves to Robeco, where he is currently Chairman of the Supervisory Board. Robeco, “the investment engineers”, has existed for nearly 100 years but now is a leader in active investing underpinned by an early and profound embedding of ESG and sustainable principles into their process. Maarten describes the active v passive, quant v orthodox and growth v value debates. The conversation drills down into factor investing and why Robeco has been recognised by peers and institutions such as Morningstar as an early mover and leader in ESG. Maarten then talks about the post-Brexit Landscape for UK financial services, Europe’s path to Federalism and where he has been investing his own personal money, including a discussion on the UK Value opportunity. He then talks about Mintus, a Fintech venture he is invested in, which is seeking to create exchange-based liquidity allowing for fractional ownership, from real-estate to oil rigs to vineyards. Finally Maarten gives some powerful insights from his experiences, set-backs, those who inspired him, through to advice for young people, the wines he loves and the two people he would chose to spend a day skiing with.

Sign up to our newsletter for more in-depth insights | Follow us on LinkedIn Tony Dalwood studied Economics and Accounting at Bristol University and then Management and Business at Cambridge, where he took his post graduate degree and won a Blue playing Rugby. He then played Rugby for Saracens and Rosslyn Park, before his journey into Asset Management.    He talks of his career, beginning as a value-orientated equity manager, and his transition into the world of private equity, at that stage, an embryonic asset class. He discusses his subsequent roles as CEO of Schroder Ventures (London), and work as Chairman of the London Pensions Fund Authority Investment Panel.   The conversation moves to life as CEO of Gresham House, a quoted company investing in alternative assets. He discusses real asset investing, describing the investment characteristics and approach to investing in Forestry, New Energy, Housing and Infrastructure.  He then talks of today’s narrow equity markets, some of the parallels with the situation 20 years ago, and of today’s equity market disenchantment with the approach to value investing.   Finally he discusses small cap investing in the UK, the challenges facing public markets and the likely composition of portfolios in the future.

Sign up to our newsletter for more in-depth insights | Follow us on LinkedIn Sir Ronald Cohen’s extraordinary story begins in Egypt in 1956 where the Suez crisis has taken place and Egyptian Nationalism is on the rise, forcing his family to leave everything and flee to England, not even speaking the language. Armed only with ambition and hope and hard work,  he gets into grammar school, wins a scholarship to Oxford, then to Harvard Business school and moves on to build one of the largest venture capital  firms in the world, APAX. Over the last 20 years, he has been invited to advise Governments, chaired the G8 task force for impact investment, helping drive the revolution to rethink the way we invest. Along the way he has authored 3 books, the most recent Impact, which has just been released. He has sat on the University of Oxford Investment Committee, been a member of the Board of Dean’s Advisors at Harvard Business School and Vice-Chairman of Ben Gurion University.  He talks about the opportunities created by attending Oxford and Harvard, his journey to help create the UK Venture Capital industry, founding Apax, and the role private equity plays in developed economies, including discussing some of its perceived drawbacks. The conversation moves to entrepreneurship, and his first book,  “The Second Bounce of the Ball – Turning Risk into Opportunity” and the critical role, job-creation will play in the post Covid landscape. This leads to his thoughts on the profound importance Impact Investing must, and will play, and its essential role in the evolution of capitalism.  Specifically he discusses the need to have company accounts properly measure impact and how this sub-sector of the investment management industry is accelerating as evidenced by the growth of the Social Impact Bond (SIB) and Harvard’s impact-weighted accounts. The conversation moves on to discuss how and what Governments should do, the evolution of philanthropy in this environment, and advice for young people thinking about careers and finally his perspectives on an extraordinary journey.

Sign up to our newsletter for more in-depth insights | Follow us on LinkedIn Today we have the intriguing prospect of our youngest guest so far on the Money Maze Podcast, allied to one of the world’s oldest academic institutions, Oxford University. Jack Edmondson, nominated in 2019 as Institutional Investor Magazine’s 3rd most wanted Allocator in the world, is a CFA Charter holder, holds an MBA with distinction from the Saïd Business School at Oxford and a first-class degree in history from Durham University. He is an alumnus of both Mercury Asset Management and Mckinsey and is an Associate Fellow at the Said Business School and member of the faculty at the Blavatnik School of Government, both in Oxford. His day job is to help OUEM try to meet its goals as their deputy CIO. Jack describes his background and his work at both McKinsey and Mercury Asset Management and in private equity before moving to Oxford to join Sandra Robertson (CIO) to help build the Oxford University Endowment. Jack describes managing an endowment with its underlying permanent capital and multi-generational outlook, before explaining the investment target of producing a 5% real return per annum. He articulates their investment philosophy, which involves fundamental research, partnering with specific skill sets and talent, and making investments in both public and private equities. He discusses their current asset allocation, the challenge of finding exceptional managers, the active v passive debate and why he believes future returns will be lean, but also where opportunities may lie. Jack discusses thematic investing and the traps of excessive reliance on Macro forecasts to drive investment decisions, before explaining why Oxford as a location offers some distinct advantages over cities like London. He also explains that OUEM manages money for some long-term orientated pools of capital and also the relationship with the University. Finally, Jack reflects with straightforward honesty on investing mistakes he has made and life lessons learnt, as well as offering advice to those starting out in the business.

Sign up to our newsletter for more in-depth insights | Follow us on LinkedIn In this episode we travel to Shanghai to talk to Chingxiao (best known as Ching) about equity investing in China. She starts by giving us a sense of life currently living in Shanghai and reflects on how the Chinese authorities have handled the crisis. She then describes her upbringing and education before explaining her immersion into the world of finance with Barings. The conversation analyses the market capitalisation of the Chinese stock markets relative to GDP and compared with the US, given they are now similar sized economies yet China’s stock market capitalisation is 1/10th that of the US. Ching explains the significant extent to which Chinese companies are under-researched and commensurately the opportunities for strong potential returns and outperformance, and her excitement given the immense developing domestic market. She describes her decision to establish her own firm, Red Gate Asset Management, an equity manager with excess of $1 billion under management, and details the investment process which starts with filtering the 6,000 company universe into a workable subset, from which Ching and her team build a concentrated, long-term portfolio. With a relentless focus on investing with conviction, aiming to own quality growth companies, but bought at reasonable prices, she explains why being “on the ground” matters, and gives an edge. She explains, humbly, how they were selected by one of the world's largest sovereign wealth funds to manage China allocations, and the key investment lessons learned along the way. Ching describes the mistakes that she believes has made them better investors, the red lines that prevent them selecting certain types of companies, and the topical issues of regulation and fraud. Finally she offers her thoughts on the Chinese love of gambling and stock market speculation, China’s place on the world stage, advice for young people thinking about finance and why above all else, she believes education is the critical component of success.