
Demand Efficiency
The show where we unpack the methods and tactics used to reduce CAC by the most efficient and fastest growing companies in tech. In each episode your host, Eli Rubel, founder of Matter Made, will evaluate how the best companies in the industry are driving down their cost to acquire while still achieving remarkable growth.
Latest episodes

Oct 19, 2021 • 26min
Naman Khan, CMO of Zeplin, on his approach to building and scaling marketing orgs from the ground up
Episode Outline[01:36] Naman’s background[04:53] Interesting use cases of Zeplin[07:11] Communicating Zeplin’s value[10:57] Building early revenue teams[15:54] Some unexpected challenges[18:16] Naman’s influential people[23:48] What does Naman do for fun?Naman’s InspirationsYamini RanganSara VarniConnect with NamanLinkedInTwitterWebsite

Oct 4, 2021 • 23min
Rich Taylor, VP of Operations and COS at Qualio, on approaching conversations, measuring success, and the fundamentals
Episode Outline[01:21] Rich’s background[03:35] Lessons and strategies[05:34] Approaching conversations and measuring success[08:54] Grain[11:44] Testing and hiring[12:46] Interesting and new things that Rich wants to tinker with[16:53] Know your fundamentals[21:21] Rich’s influential peopleRich’s InspirationsJeff WissZack UrlockerRich’s brothersConnect with RichLinkedInWebsite

Sep 15, 2021 • 22min
Former VP of Growth at Drift and Advisor to many, Guillaume “G” Cabane, on the mashup between Economic Market Dynamics and low-cost CAC strategies
Episode Outline[01:09] G’s background[01:36] Mashup between Economic Market Dynamics and low-cost CAC strategies[07:00] G’s favorite examples of growth hacking[14:26] What questions should listeners ask themselves?[15:36] How does G stay sharp?[20:42] G’s influential peopleG’s InspirationsBrian BalfourAndrew ChenDarius ContractorElena VernaResourcesKeyBanc Capital SaaS Performance Survey (PDF)Connect with GLinkedInTwitterWebsite

Aug 16, 2021 • 20min
Shane Murphy-Reuter, CMO of ZoomInfo, on the importance of setting your brand vision and the ‘Miley Moment’
Episode Outline[01:42] The shift from single-market to multi-market[04:36] The Miley moment[10:50] Setting a brand vision well into the future[13:10] What keeps Shane up at night?[17:20] Shane’s inspiring people[18:59] How does Shane stay balanced?Shane’s InspirationsMark Watts JonesKaren PeacockScott GifisSuresh KhannaConnect with ShaneLinkedInWebsite

Aug 5, 2021 • 27min
Amy Guarino, VP of Ironclad, on shifting perspectives and advice to her younger self
Episode Outline[01:26] Getting back to the new normal[05:33] Amy’s advice to her younger self[13:19] Shifting perspectives[16:00] How does Amy stay fresh?[20:43] Amy’s influential peopleAmy’s InspirationsJen TritzEric LeeTim ConnorsConnect with AmyLinkedInWebsite

Jun 22, 2021 • 17min
Paramita Bhattacharya, CMO of Blurb, shares on leadership and lessons learned along the way
Podcast SummaryIn this conversation with Paramita Bhattacharya, CMO of Blurb, she talks about her career roles at various organisations, being named one of the Top 40 Women Leaders in SaaS, and how she keeps herself sane outside of her work. Hear about how she prioritizes team building, how her background affects her work, and get her advice to her younger self.Episode Outline[00:29] One of the Top 50 Women Leaders in SaaS[02:27] Shifting to a smaller organization[07:28] Building her team[09:11] How does her background in B2B, B2C, and eCommerce affect her work?[11:42] Paramita’s advice to her younger self[13:59] How does Paramita stay sane?Connect with ParamitaLinkedInWebsite

May 4, 2021 • 26min
Randy Frisch, CMO at Uberflip on how and when to think about category creation
Episode Outline[01:26] Getting into category creation[02:50] The Uberflip timeline[05:22] Content marketing in 2012[10:10] Other category names in the running[13:23] The early list of must-have next steps[16:26] The Uberflip Experience[20:28] Looking to the future[24:19] Inspiring peopleRandy’s InspirationsPeter CreshaMark McCloudJay BaerAnn HandleyConnect with RandyLinkedInTwitterUberflipWebsite

Apr 27, 2021 • 22min
Sam Boonin, former VP Product Strategy at Zendesk on all things PLG and Product Marketing
Episode Outline[01:50] Product marketing[04:33] Avoiding the product marketing pitfall[10:10] The quality of product marketing for trial-led sales assist companies[13:27] Sam’s advice for young companies[16:32] How does Sam maintain a life balance?[20:09] Inspiring peopleSam’s InspirationsPeople who are designing the life they love.Connect with SamLinkedInTwitter

Apr 20, 2021 • 27min
New Relic CMO Seema Kumar unpacks the myths of developer marketing and other strategies for hyper scale
Episode Outline[01:04] Seema’s story[07:30] Developer marketing[13:18] Seema’s tool box of strategies[16:18] Unpacking DE&I[20:29] Seema’s advice[22:17] How does Seema find her balance? Connect with SeemaLinkedInTwitterWebsite

Apr 13, 2021 • 28min
From $0-$80M ARR in 13 Months with Hopin CMO Anthony Kennada
Episode Outline[01:25] Managing expectations[03:09] Hopin’s numbers[07:41] Capturing the opportunity[11:31] The challenges of fast, effective growth[14:07] Where is the market going?[18:10] Anthony’s health[22:08] How does Anthony unwind?[25:28] Inspiring people Anthony’s InspirationsNick Mehta Connect with AnthonyLinkedInTwitterWebsite
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