Samin Nosrat is a food writer, educator, and chef. She is the author of Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat and hosts a series by the same name on Netflix. “I kind of couldn’t exist as just a cook or a writer. I kind of need to be both. Because they fulfill these two totally different parts of myself and my brain. Cooking is really social, it’s very physical, and also you don’t have any time to become attached to your product. You hand it off and somebody eats it, and literally tomorrow it’s shit. … Whereas with writing, it’s the exact opposite. It’s super solitary. It’s super cerebral. And you have all the time in the world to get attached to your thing and freak out about it.” Thanks to MailChimp, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this episode. @CiaoSamin ciaosamin.com Salt Fat Acid Heat (Netflix) Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat: Mastering the Elements of Good Cooking (Simon & Schuster • 2017) [01:00] Pop-Up Magazine [23:00] Cooked: A Natural History of Transformation (Michael Pollan • Penguin Books • 2014) [25:15] Nosrat’s Archive at Edible [25:00] "Out of the Kitchen, Onto the Couch" (Michael Pollan • New York Times Magazine • Jul 2009) [28:45] Wendy MacNaughton on the Longform Podcast [32:30] An Everlasting Meal: Cooking with Economy and Grace (Tamar Adler • Scribner • 2012) [34:00] Levels of the Game (John McPhee • Farrar, Straus and Giroux • 1979) [46:50] Outliers: The Story of Success (Malcolm Gladwell • Back Bay Books • 2011) [49:00] Golden Boy Pizza [50:15] "Cookbook Author Samin Nosrat Celebrates with Champagne and Babybels" (Sierra Tishgart • Grub Street • Apr 2017) [51:50] Salt Sugar Fat: How the Food Giants Hooked Us (Michael Moss • Random House • 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Allison P. Davis is a staff writer at The Cut and New York. “I have no real advice other than don’t fuck it up and be afraid all the time. That’s the key to success. Don’t fuck it up. Be a little bit anxious all the time.” Thanks to MailChimp, Skagen, Aspen Ideas To Go, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @AllisonPDavis Davis's archive at New York Mag [0:35] "Lena Dunham Comes to Terms with Herself" (The Cut • Nov 2018) [0:40] "Cardi B Was Made to Be Famous" (The Cut • Nov 2017) [0:50] Longform's Best of 2018 List [5:40] "Teen Mom Maci Bookout: In Her Own Words" (Teen Vogue • Nov 2010) [12:40] Davis's archive at Elle [16:40] "5 Reasons Why Hometown Tinder is The Worst Tinder" (GQ • Nov 2015) [18:05] "Gigi Hadid Is Now on the Cover of CR Fashion Book" (The Cut • Feb 2014) [20:50] Davis's archive at The Ringer [22:55] "Lainey Is Yours in Gossip" (The Ringer • Oct 2016) [28:10] "97 Minutes With John David Washington" (Vulture • Aug 2018) [28:15] "Tessa Thompson Knows People Can’t Stop Thinking About Her" (The Cut • Aug 2018) [35:45] "My Date with Noah Centineo" (The Cut • Sep 2018) [37:10] "Michael B. Jordan Will Be King" (GQ • Nov 2018) [57:45] "You Know He Got That Big Dick Energy" (The Cut • Jun 2018) [58:30] "Are We Ready for Robot Sex? " (The Cut • May 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dan Taberski is the host of Missing Richard Simmons and Surviving Y2K. “Why would you walk into podcasting, where not a lot of rules have been written yet, why would walk into that space and be like, I'm just going to stick to the rules over here. It doesn't make any sense. ... Sourcing, respect for privacy — all these rules are here for a reason. And there's a line you shouldn't cross. But I don't see the point of not walking up to that line and looking over it. Because that is where interesting stuff is happening. ... To be able to earn that ability to cross the line a little bit and then jump back to where you belong, I think that's where beautiful storytelling happens.” Thanks to MailChimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this bonus episode. @dtaberski Missing Richard Simmons Surviving Y2K [21:30] “‘Missing Richard Simmons’ and the Queasiness of Deep-Dive Entertainment Journalism” (Sarah Larson • New Yorker • Mar 2017) [21:40] Richard Simmons’s Disappearing Act Inspires a Hit Podcast (Sopan Deb • New York Times • Mar 2017) [21:40] “‘Missing Richard Simmons,’ the Morally Suspect Podcast” (Amanda Hess • New York Times • Mar 2017) [34:00] S-Town [46:15] Longform Podcast #44: Gay Talese [46:15] Longform Podcast #226: Terry Gross Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Maria Streshinsky is the executive editor at Wired. “Sometimes a story comes in and it’s really lovely and well done. And you think if you just got on the phone with this person and pointed out the structure is wrong here and the chronology is wrong here, ask them to change that and send them what is known at Wired as the ‘praise sandwich letter’: how wonderful something is, how much work it will need, how wonderful it will be. … It’s not the kiss of death, it’s ‘we have a lot of work to do.’ … There are lots of pieces that come in that you’ve assigned because it’s the person with the right information with the right access, and they’re a good reporter, but maybe not a terrific wordsmith. So, you do more rewriting. Then there’s the other person that’s a really lovely, lovely writer that doesn’t have the structure and the reporting so you push on that. It’s sort of a three or four-pronged thing—it depends on the piece. I will say, somewhat controversially, there aren’t that many pieces that come in pretty clean.” Thanks to MailChimp, Skagen, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @mstreshinsky Streshinsky's archive at Wired [5:40] Streshinsky's archive at Mother Jones [7:45] Streshinsky's archive at The Atlantic [8:45] "Women Aren't Welcome Here" (Amanda Hess • Pacific Standard • Jan 2014) [12:00] "How One Woman's Digital Life Was Weaponized Against Her" (Brooke Jarvis • Wired • Nov 2017) [23:05] "Inside the Two Years That Shook Facebook—and the World" (Nick Thompson & Dave Vogelstein • Wired • Feb 2018) [25:15] "Saving Lives with Tech Amid Syria's Endless Civil War" (Danny Gold • Wired • Aug 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nicholas Schmidle is a staff writer for The New Yorker. His latest article is "Virgin Galactic's Rocket Man." “I think there’s a lot more pressure that I’ve put on myself to make sure that the next [article] is better than the last one. To make sure there are sourcing standards and expectations I have for myself now that I might not have had earlier. I’m putting even more priority on building long-term relationships in which I trust an individual. ... I feel like the pieces coming in are tighter in terms of sourcing, but story selection becomes a lot more difficult. You want to do a different story.” Thanks to MailChimp, Skagen, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @nickschmidle Schmidle on Longform Longform Podcast #46: Nicholas Schmidle [2:00] "In the Crosshairs" (New Yorker • Jun 2013) [2:00] "Getting bin Laden" (New Yorker • Aug 2011) [2:20] "Virgin Galactic's Rocket Man" (New Yorker • Aug 2018) [20:45] "Michael Flynn, General Chaos" (New Yorker • Feb 2017) [24:30] A Man in Full (Tom Wolfe • Farrar, Straus & Giroux • 1998) [24:40] I Am Charlotte Simmons: A Novel (Tom Wolfe • Farrar, Straus & Giroux • 2004) [25:00] The Right Stuff (Tom Wolfe • Farrar, Straus & Giroux • 1979) [31:45] "Freedom for Tyrone Hood" (New Yorker • Jan 2015) [33:45] "A Very Rare Book" (New Yorker • Dec 2013) [37:00] The Staircase (Jean-Xavier de Lestrade • Netflix • 2004) [39:45] "The Digital Dirt" (The New Yorker • Feb 2016) [40:10] "The Kings of the Desert" (New Yorker • Apr 2015) [48:00] "Ten Borders" (New Yorker • Oct 2015) [56:20] "The Digital Vigilantes Who Hack Back" (New Yorker • May 2008) [57:00] Scrivener software Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Irin Carmon is a senior correspondent at New York Magazine, a contributor at CNN, and the co-author of Notorious RBG: The Life and Times of Ruth Bader Ginsburg. “The fact that we were part of this entire wave of reporting was actually exhilarating. Even when it was competitive. For me, my desire to do this comes out of a broader set of commitments to the world. I’m a feminist and I’m a journalist. The ability to do feminist investigative journalism felt like a gift. And it also felt like, wow, this thing I’d been working on for a long time is something that institutions—the most prestigious and well-resourced institutions—wanted to put resources to. … I think that that kind of commitment is significant in our culture because it is validating us as a point of inquiry.” Thanks to MailChimp, Skagen, TBD with Tina Brown, Screen Dive, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @irin Carmon on Longform irincarmon.com [2:20] "Eight Women Say Charlie Rose Sexually Harassed Them — With Nudity, Groping and Lewd Calls" (Washington Post • Nov 2018) [33:05] Carmon's archive at Village Voice [34:20]Carmon's archive at Women's Wear Daily [34:40] Carmon's archive at Jezebel [44:25] "College Girl's PowerPoint 'Fuck List' Goes Viral" (Jezebel • Oct 2010) [53:00] "Heidi Heitkamp Doesn’t Care That You Think She’s Going to Lose" (The Cut • Oct 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Madeleine Baran is an investigative reporter for APM Reports and the host and lead reporter of the podcast In the Dark. “We’re always thinking about first not so much the narrative, but first what did we find out and how is it important? And how can we construct a story that’s going to take people along on that and they’re going to care about it and be able to follow it. That’s a challenge in any kind of serialized podcast or film where you have one narrative arc from start to finish in a season, but you also have all these individual episodes with narrative arcs. And because we’re not novelists, we don’t get to change the facts, sometimes there are these facts you do not like cause they’re really confusing and you wish they were not that way. We spend a lot of time in storyboarding and edits and group edits and sound edits. We bring in people who don’t know what we’re doing and have them listen for mostly for clarity and confusion.” Thanks to MailChimp, Screen Dive podcast, Skagen, Squarespace, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @madeleinebaran [1:15] In the Dark podcast [22:20] Jerry Mitchell at Clarion Ledger [58:55] Caliphate podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Beth Macy is an author and former reporter at The Roanoke Times. Her latest book is Dopesick: Dealers, Doctors, and the Drug Company that Addicted America. “I learned how to interview by delivering papers. I didn’t know it was interviewing, but I would stop and talk to old people who were bored and lonely and have great conversations. I think I learned how to talk to people by delivering the papers. And there’s a certain thing you have to do when you have to collect the money and learn how to negotiate with people when you’re 11. That’s some reporting skills too.” Thanks to MailChimp, School of Art Institute of Chicago, Skagen, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @papergirlmacy [1:15] Headlong: Surviving Y2K [1:50] Dopesick: Dealers, Doctors, and the Drug Company that Addicted America (Little, Brown and Company • 2018) [2:00] Factory Man: How One Furniture Maker Battled Offshoring, Stayed Local - and Helped Save an American Town (Little, Brown and Company • 2015) [2:05] Truevine: Two Brothers, a Kidnapping, and a Mother's Quest: A True Story of the Jim Crow South (Little, Brown and Company • 2016) [3:50] Longform newsletter [22:20] Macy on Nieman Foundation [54:00] "After the Shouting" (Roanoke Times • Jun 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Paige Williams is a New Yorker staff writer and the author of The Dinosaur Artist: Obsession, Betrayal, and the Quest for Earth's Ultimate Trophy. “I was just sitting in a coffee shop and saw this thing about a Montana dinosaur thief, and thought, oh that’s really interesting, I don’t know anything about that. And I knew nothing about natural history, nothing about natural history museums. I was born and raised in Mississippi. We didn’t talk about that kind of stuff. I grew up in the Baptist church. It certainly wasn’t mentioned there. … It just was a world completely alien to me, which I love. I love going into worlds that I know nothing about, and I like to take them apart and put them back together again.” Thanks to MailChimp, Skagen, Squarespace, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @williams_paige Williams on Longform [3:30] "Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Trump’s Battering Ram" (New Yorker • Sep 2018) [9:30] "The Bizarre Tale of the ‘Dinosaur Artist’ Who Trafficked in Stolen Fossils" (Peter Brannen • New York Times • Oct 2018) [41:30] "Observer Wins Pulitzer Prize for Coverage of PTL, Bakkers" (Karen Garloch • Charlotte Observer • April 1988) [41:30] "Sketches of the New Pulitzer Winners, including 'Brown Lung: A Case of Deadly Neglect'" (New York Times • April 1981) [42:30] Nieman Fellowship [48:00] "How Waffle House Became a Cultural Icon" (Atlanta • Dec 2007) [48:45] "'You Have Thousands of Angels Around You'" (Atlanta • Oct 2007) [57:00] "Finding Dolly Freed" (Self-Published • Jan 2010) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joe Hagan is a correspondent at Vanity Fair and the author of Sticky Fingers: The Life and Times of Jann Wenner and Rolling Stone Magazine. “It’s the story that begins with John Lennon on the cover of Rolling Stone in 1967 and ends with Donald Trump in the White House. In many ways the book takes you there, I wanted it to. It takes you through the culture as it metastasizes into what it is now. It had a lot to do with a sense of the age of narcissism. The worship of celebrity. Jann was very into celebrity, and worshipful of it and glorifying it and turning it into a thing and eventually celebrity displaces a lot of the ideas they originally started with in my estimation. That was a narrative thread that I began to pull in the book.” Thanks to MailChimp, Skagen, Screen Dive, Stoner, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @joehagansays Hagan on Longform [09:45] "Blues Cruise" (New York • Dec 2012) [09:50] "Shipping Out" (David Foster Wallace • Harper's • Jan 1996) [11:10] Among the Thugs (Bill Buford • Vintage • 1993) [16:25] "An Incorrect Artifact With Aging Fans" (New York Times • Oct 2000) [22:10] "The Long, Lawless Ride of Sheriff Joe Arpaio" (Rolling Stone • Aug 2012) [25:45] "Tenacious G" (New York • Jul 2009) [33:35] Positively 4th Street: The Lives and Times of Joan Baez, Bob Dylan, Mimi Baez Fariña, and Richard Fariña (David Hajdu • Picador • 2011) [42:20] Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas: A Savage Journey to the Heart of the American Dream (Hunter S. Thompson • Random House • 1972) [1:09:30] "The Trouble With Johnny Depp" (Stephen Rodrick • Rolling Stone • Jun 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices